To all you Bush fans (political troll)

**Grange** · 10-10-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Mcwop

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I think I'll drop in parallel.

I'm not sure which one I think is scarier, me trying to ski that run or listening to Bush relate every damn thing to terrorism.

**The Reverend Floater** · 10-10-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Mcwop
Not just a war against 9/11 perps - it is against all terrorism - Saddam was a contributor, and the middle east (and neighboring asia) contributes to and tolerates terrorism.

I'm sorry, I can't hold back any longer. You are the boob, jackass!

**Mcwop** · 10-10-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
I'm sorry, I can't hold back any longer. You are the boob, jackass!

How so?

**The Reverend Floater** · 10-10-2003, 10:02 AM

Sorry about that. Let me rephrase...you are a sucker, an indiscriminate sponge absorbing the mucus and filthy wastewater of Fox News, merely an amplifier of Shrub's dilapidated mouth piece, and therefore a boob.

**tonghands** · 10-10-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Mcwop

http://homepage.mac.com/mcwop/.Pictu...3/IMG_0109.jpg

Damn, that's a nic pic. I'm just gonna stare at it for awhile.

**Mcwop** · 10-10-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by tonghands
Damn, that's a nic pic. I'm just gonna stare at it for awhile.

Expert chutes at J-Hole.

**milkman** · 10-10-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
Sorry about that. Let me rephrase...you are a sucker, an indiscriminate sponge absorbing the mucus and filthy wastewater of Fox News, merely an amplifier of Shrub's dilapidated mouth piece, and therefore a boob.

That's some funny sh1t........

**Mcwop** · 10-10-2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
Sorry about that. Let me rephrase...you are a sucker, an indiscriminate sponge absorbing the mucus and filthy wastewater of Fox News, merely an amplifier of Shrub's dilapidated mouth piece, and therefore a boob.

Oh, and your not a mouth piece and sponge on the other side of the equation?

For the record, I am not a huge Bush fan (voted for McCain in primary), but do agree with some things his admin has done. I also agree with some things the Dems do. I think I can make up my own mind.

I would love an alternate candidate in the next election, but none strike my fancy yet. If Dean tones down his gargantuan spending plans, and clarifies a rollback in tax cuts will only be on the rich and not middle and upper middle class - I could go for a Clark Dean ticket, and try something new. Unfortunately, they are not doing a good job convincing swing voters yet - but it is just in the primary stage.

I will be voting as I do every year.

KQ · 10-10-2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
Sorry about that. Let me rephrase...you are a sucker, an indiscriminate sponge absorbing the mucus and filthy wastewater of Fox News, merely an amplifier of Shrub's dilapidated mouth piece, and therefore a boob.

(Seattle Times, 10/6/03)

Survey shows Fox led in misleading public

Fox News Channel, like the White House, got a ratings boost from the aftermath of 9-11. The tactics were remarkably similar.

Network executives gauged the nation's anger and panic and recognized war in Iraq as a rallying point, provided they gave viewers the sort of firm leadership unsullied by second-guessing. It was a smart call.

Once war arrived, of course, Fox wasn't alone in the media campaign to win audience hearts. Other cable channels and networks made self-promotional hay from dashing correspondents, surrendering Iraqi soldiers and masterful bombardment set to music.

What great TV we got. Too bad a lot of us were knuckleheads about the facts.

A just-released report by the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy (PIPA) finds a majority of respondents have misperceptions about the war.*

The results show 48 percent incorrectly believed that evidence of links between al-Qaida and Iraq has been found; 22 percent that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq; and 25 percent that world opinion favored the United States going to war with Iraq.

A walloping 60 percent overall held one or more of these misperceptions.

How did we get to be such dopes? PIPA quizzed respondents on their main sources of news information. Their findings are at right.

As you'll note, Fox's audience scored lowest. That's fodder for arguing the only place its "fair and balanced" motto really belongs is on the cover of a satirical best seller.

"The more closely you followed Fox, the more misperceptions you had," said Clay Ramsay, PIPA research director. "No other news outlet came anywhere near that."

He said that in a separate examination of viewers citing Fox as their primary source, 45 percent held all three misperceptions.

Back to that chart. While the findings for Fox may not be a surprise, second among ill-informed viewers is CBS, long considered a bastion of anti-war liberalism by subscribers to Web sites like www.ratherbiased.com.

Apparently, benightedness cuts across ideological lines, and no network or cable channel can claim its viewers are well-informed about the war's most critical issues. We're like one nation under "Duh."

According to PIPA, political position was a minor factor: Supporters of President Bush and Republicans were more likely to have misperceptions.

However, the report adds, Americans with opposing political beliefs held misperceptions, too.

Three explanations spring to mind while contemplating this equality of ignorance.

The first is that our entire for-profit television sector is engaged in a sinister conspiracy of misinformation. The industry so desperately wants favors from the White House, it suppressed facts contradictory to support for invading Iraq.

But this is too wacky. It also unfairly discounts many reports — for instance, on ABC — that pointed out our grounds for war were shaky. And poor ABC still ended up with 61 percent of its audience believing at least one of those justifications.

A more persuasive notion is that television's emotional story-telling superseded its factual reporting.

All those stories honoring soldiers who died in Iraq had a self-justifying impact. So did the endlessly replayed scenes of joyous citizens toppling statues of Saddam Hussein. So did the patriotic frills adorning network graphics and that thrilling martial music.

The end effect was a tacit endorsement of the venture.

Let's also not forget that in the case of cable channels, this position had a practical payoff: The war raised ratings.

Still, it's hard to sell a product that doesn't resonate at some level with consumers. That brings us to a third possibility: The attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, created a passion for action that overcame core beliefs.

"We found a plurality of Americans felt a value conflict with the war," said PIPA's Clayton. "They had serious reservations even when they went ahead and supported it."

Clayton also volunteered a fact about respondents asked to describe how closely they follow news.

It turns out that print readers and those who listen to National Public Radio or watch PBS describe themselves as being devoted to keeping abreast of events — a profile that did not fit most commercial television viewers.

In any event, both the news media and the audience could use some self-improvement. Luckily, it's never too late; I hear there's a presidential election just 13 months away.

* The PIPA report analyzed seven nationwide polls conducted from June through September of this year.

Margin of error is 3 percent; sampling size for the seven polls was 9,611, and sampling size for in-depth analysis was 3,334 respondents.

**Grange** · 10-10-2003, 01:39 PM

I wonder if this will soon be a story on NBC?

**BakerBoy** · 10-14-2003, 05:38 PM

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...xbm10310130851

KQ · 10-14-2003, 05:41 PM

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**descender** · 10-14-2003, 05:53 PM

Mr Moore is very fat.

**Sublime** · 10-14-2003, 05:54 PM

The War On Terror is nothing but propaganda used to keep the US busy while the government strips us of our freedoms. Look at Operation Pipe Dreams do you think that would have have gone unnoticed if it wasn't for Operation Iraqi Freedom? Do you know about the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II? If you don't then you should, it's scary. Nothing short of Communism.

I hate Bush.

As to Michael Moore I like the guy. Yes he bitches about stuff and whines a whole lot but the guy does bring up good points. Our country really is fucked up. I like how he compared the news in the US and Canada. Which just goes to show how fucked up the US news really is.

This is getting long winded and I should suggest looking for more information here: www.infowars.com