Quiver Intervention Needed

**Core Shot** · 12-03-2007, 10:11 PM

Allright, I may have a problem. I just wrote down all the skis I own, the skis that are soon to be delivered, and the skis I am in the process of selling, and there are 17 pair.

Putting aside that ridonkulous number and the fact that I do have a sickness that has only been fed by this nuthouse, I am debating the final quiver design.
Me: 6'4" 215lbs, I like blue squares and magic carpets.

So, here is where things are headed:

Big mountain Western skis:

Lotus 120 200cm Flex 3 140/120/125 (ordered) - Dukes - These are the skis I have been dreaming about. I can't remember the last time I was so stoked on a ski. Hoping to use these for any fresh snow. If they are very skiable on non-fresh, they may end up kicking the XXL out of the quiver.

LP XXL 194cm 132-109-122 - to be mounted with 916. These were supposed to be my big mountain ski before the Lotus 120 200cm appeared. They may be the hardpack west ski if the Lotus are not up to that task. Otherwise, they may be sold.

LP 186 124-97-116 - - 916s - skied hard and flexed out, but still fun and great all around. A nice utiltiy ski - happy on hardpack, but skis pow with grace.

Bro Model 188 - 125-99-114 - mounted with Freerides. I hate this binding (sloppy, loose, imprecise). Considering mounting with Dukes, or perhaps dynafits (they are like a lighter version of the LP). One concern with Dynafit is the camber of these skis. Also, the Bros get a lot of use on the EC inbounds.

Funshapes

Praxis 195 - Tranquility (pre-ordered). to be mounted with Dukes. Damn these are sexy. Bought these to try funshapes. Figured at that price I could ski them a while and always sell them for little loss. But then I picked up a pair of Lotus 138, so I don't know what to keep.

Lotus 138 - 192cm Flex 2. S916. Picked these up used and abused, with binders, just to demo the 138 and see if I liked it. I do like the funshape feel, but I need more time on them and I am still not sure they are all that fun in low speed EC tree maneuvers.

East Coast Skis - icy hard tight bump EC hardpack bores me greatly, but fortunately I have discovered EC trees and backcountry since moving out here.

Icelantic Shaman 160/110/130 160cm - Dynafit - EC powder trees, skinning, touring and big powder dumps.

Bro Model 188cm 125-99-114 - (discussed above)

Iggy FGS 116/88/104 185cm (drilled for salomons) - my attempt to get a true hardpack ski for the EC.

I guess I am looking for insight into this core quiver.

I need to sell a funshape - either the Praxis or the Lotus 138 must go soon.

If the Lotus 120 lets me slarve and shmear enough while still skiing normally on old snow, then I may dump the 2nd funshape.

If the XXL and Lotus 120 overlap too much, then the XXL must go.

Obviously, Bro and LP overlap a lot, but I hate to dump the Bros and the LPs are beat, but beautiful.

Since the Shamans are my only dynafit ski, I was planning on a straighter longer dynafit setup for technical EC, hard snow, tuckermans corn, etc.
For that, I have a pair of undrilled G3 Tickets 182cm and 190cm Verdicts, but lately am considering dumping both of those and dynafiting the Bros.

Thx.

**Pow4Brains** · 12-03-2007, 10:28 PM

BROs & Dukes for everyday use.
Dynafits on 120s.
Iggys for hardpack.

Sell the rest to me for cheap.

**Core Shot** · 12-03-2007, 11:14 PM

Bro Duke makes sense.

I have thought about dynafiting the Lotus 120 (woudl be sick and ultralight), but a) I may wanna drive them with alpine boots and b) adjustable Duke bindings let me share with friends.

I'm not looking for a 3 ski or even a 5 ski quiver - a half dozen should be enough. I really like options, and every ski has a unique personality.

I'm really trying to reduce clutter and free up some cash. And, in the legendary words of Henry David Thoreau "Simplify. Simplify"

**Bandit Man** · 12-03-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Core Shot

Allright, I may have a problem. I just wrote down all the skis I own, the skis that are soon to be delivered, and the skis I am in the process of selling, and there are 17 pair.

Core Shot - You are my Idol!

"We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

Props for being man enough to admit the overlap. I'm having troubling coming to that realization, so I am no help to you.

**Bizarro-Squatch** · 12-04-2007, 12:24 AM

I would take those 190 verdicts off your hands.

**mtsprings** · 12-04-2007, 12:32 AM

I am intrigued by the lotus 138's. What would you want for those?

**mountain_man** · 12-04-2007, 05:54 AM

Get rid of the Praxis, too much overlap with the 138's with are shorter and should be quicker in the trees for the EC or West Coast. Get rid of the LP's and put the s916's on the Bros, as an everyday ski for the EC and dryer periods out west. Keep the 120's for pow chargers and the XXL's for everyday out west. Put dynafit's on the Verdicts for EC touring. Keep the Iggies for grommers and ditch the other G3's.
Leaving you with & skis.

**skifishbum** · 12-04-2007, 07:55 AM

I can't help but snicker at the mental image of a 6'4" guy riding a 160cm skis, but it's the east coast and I guess the trees are real tight. Since they have at bindings you wouldn't be seen by that many people.
I've never ridden most of your quiver, but I would ditch the training wheels

first and bros last.

**laseranimal** · 12-04-2007, 08:32 AM

Dukes and Bro's would be a fun EC tool

**ulty_guy** · 12-04-2007, 08:44 AM

you've come here to have an intervention about quiver size? isn't that like having an AA/strip-club addict intervention in vegas?

**Core Shot** · 12-04-2007, 04:53 PM

Mountain Man has the best overall adivce so far.
But, I'm not sure how much quicker a 192 Lotus 138 is than a 195 praxis.
3cm is not much more than my dick, so not sure it will be noticed. I think shape, flex and rocker is far more important than overall length.
The real question is how they ski head to head.

Skifish, yes, 160 is retahded short, but its only too short when really charging in cutup crud - which is not as big a problem out east. I am hoping to replace them with the new 170 version.

Bro Duke is gaining momenutm, although the 916 duke makes sense too. But the Bro is so light, why not take advantage of it with a light binding?

I guess it boils down to a caged death match of the following skis.

a) Lotus 120 vs. LP XXL

b) Lotus 138 vs. Praxis 195

anyone have direct comparison of these or point me to a thread that does???

**Poop~Ghost** · 12-04-2007, 05:18 PM

My honest opinion is you need to ski them to determine what stays and goes. You've got a who's who of bad-ass skis coming your way or already in the quiver. Selling them without putting some days on them is just silly. If you absolutely need cash, sell some bindings/blood/sperm. Once you've got 10 days on a ski you will know where it falls in your quiver.

edit to say that the $$ you'd lose from a mount and 10 days on a ski is probably what you'ld pay to demo a dirty filthy powder whore like a 195 praxis / lotus 138.

they are dirty little powder whores... and I love them anyways.

**Core Shot** · 12-05-2007, 06:47 AM

Goood point, Poop
That is really how I ended up with so many skis. Good deals I couldn't pass up, and justified by the fact that selling/shipping fees und up being like demo fees without the hassle of doing a demo event.

**mc_roon** · 12-05-2007, 07:31 AM

you and soul_skier should start a support group. At last count, i think he had around 17 pairs of skis as well.

**hemas** · 12-05-2007, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Core Shot

although the 916 duke makes sense too

Rad, installing binders on binders

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Bro + Duke = Touring + generic ski

Lotus 120 + Dynafit = pow touring west

LP beaters for generic

FGS hardback

Shaman trees

Praxis/Lotus 138 for pow... which either works best

Get rid of the rest (even drop the LPs in favor of Bro + Duke).

Two ski quiver when traveling Bro + Lotus 120s (w/ AT boots).

**mojorisin** · 12-05-2007, 08:15 AM

You bought the big-boy Lotus 120s to slay big-boy pow, right? Don't sell 'em, or put dynafits on 'em.

120s + Dukes : slaying the gnar

Bros/XXLs/Iggys + 916s: inbounds EC + WC. I'd personally go with the Iggy's, since if there's a significant amount of soft you'll reach for the fatties anyways

LPs: keep 'em as rock skis, good luck selling if they're dead

138s/Praxis + alpines: whichever, I'm sure both work, for inbounds pow. maybe sell both if you find the 120s to be fun enough

Put dynafits on either the verdicts/Bros (if you don't use the bro's above)
Keep the snowblades for the EC

SELL everything else.

**teambigdave** · 12-05-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Core Shot

Mountain Man has the best overall adivce so far.
But, I'm not sure how much quicker a 192 Lotus 138 is than a 195 praxis.
3cm is not much more than my dick, so not sure it will be noticed. I think shape, flex and rocker is far more important than overall length.
The real question is how they ski head to head.

Skifish, yes, 160 is retahded short, but its only too short when really charging in cutup crud - which is not as big a problem out east. I am hoping to replace them with the new 170 version.

Bro Duke is gaining momenutm, although the 916 duke makes sense too. But the Bro is so light, why not take advantage of it with a light binding?

I guess it boils down to a caged death match of the following skis.

a) Lotus 120 vs. LP XXL

b) Lotus 138 vs. Praxis 195

anyone have direct comparison of these or point me to a thread that does???

if it's a death match involving the 138's, I'm putting my money on them. Personally i think they're perfect for EC tree's because it's so friggin easy to get them sideways, slow down, change direction without having to "reset" your line.
my .02
138's
120's w/?
188's w/dukes (i think, i still use modified trekkers)

keep the LP's for beater's and keep the iggy's just cause you should

or keep everything and have a cool quiver pic. can't lose either way

**Core Shot** · 12-05-2007, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by mojorisin

You bought the big-boy Lotus 120s to slay big-boy pow, right? Don't sell 'em, or put dynafits on 'em.

120s + Dukes : slaying the gnar

they will NEVER be sold.
Dynafits would be sweet, but then I either need 2 boots when heading out West or I have to ski my entire trip on rando boots.

Bros/XXLs/Iggys + 916s: inbounds EC + WC. I'd personally go with the Iggy's, since if there's a significant amount of soft you'll reach for the fatties anyways

LPs: keep 'em as rock skis, good luck selling if they're dead

corrected first post to make it clear Iggys are 85 waist.
LPs aren't that dead - still worth $250 as is

138s/Praxis + alpines: whichever, I'm sure both work, for inbounds pow. maybe sell both if you find the 120s to be fun enough

Put dynafits on either the verdicts/Bros (if you don't use the bro's above)
Keep the snowblades for the EC

SELL everything else.

Yep

**soul_skier** · 12-05-2007, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by mc_roon

you and soul_skier should start a support group. At last count, i think he had around 17 pairs of skis as well.

yes, I do have 17 pair, but 4 of those are in long term storage, old 190 explosives, 190 9.1ffs and 189 kahunas, skis that rip but are not made anymore, sort of like a future ski present to myself

coreshot, 138s/praxis both rip on the EC, choose whatever one works best for you out west and rock it on the east too. Keep the LPs w/ 916s, solid everyday setup. the iggys are a solid EC everyday, I have some 195 fgs 250 flex for the same thing. Sell the bros, buy some volie insanes/carbon surfs/somethings for dynafit. Keep the 120 w/ dukes or something, but p18s or s916 on the XXLs for a lets go straitline something stupid days

**marshalolson** · 12-05-2007, 09:07 AM

Big mountain Western skis:

Lotus 120 200cm Flex 3 140/120/125 (ordered) - Dukes - clearly. the bomb.

LP XXL 194cm 132-109-122 - rather overlap with 188 bro and 120 lotus. keep 'em for a bit, but don't mount them till you ski the 120, with thoughts of a sale...

LP 186 124-97-116 - - 916s - rock skis.

Bro Model 188 - 125-99-114 - MOUNT WITH DUKES. hard snow and touring.

Funshapes

Praxis 195 - Tranquility (pre-ordered). to be mounted with Dukes.

Lotus 138 - 192cm Flex 2. S916. lots of overlap with the praxis. i'd personally rather ski on these than praxis, so much lighter and livlier. dunno how beat though.

East Coast Skis -

Icelantic Shaman 160/110/130 160cm - Dynafit - EC powder trees, skinning, touring and big powder dumps.

Iggy FGS 116/88/104 185cm (drilled for salomons) - my attempt to get a true hardpack ski for the EC. if you don't like them/use them, i will.

just my .02

**Core Shot** · 12-05-2007, 09:49 AM

^^^^^^ End of Discussion.

Marshall is clearly THE Gear Guru. www.theGearGuru.com

**Core Shot** · 12-05-2007, 05:00 PM

well, I did say I wasn't looking for a 2 ski quiver. And yes, he is an enabler.

So,
Here's the new 6 ski lineup:

1) Lotus 120 200cm Flex 3 140/120/125 Dukes

2) LP 186 124-97-116 - - 916s - keeping for fun, hardpack, and rocks

3) Bro Model 188 - 125-99-114 - switching from Freerides to Dukes

4) Either Praxis 195 or Lotus 138 (192cm) - Caged Deathmatch to Follow. Funshapes still uncertain. Hard to beat the sexiness of the Praxis, but then there is the lightness and the flat underfoot on the Lotus.

5) Icelantic Shaman 160/110/130 160cm - Dynafit - remaining as is

6) Iggy FGS 116/88/104 185cm for hardpack.

On the cusp of being cut from the team:
LP XXL 194cm 132-109-122 - to be determined based on performance of Lotus 120

Thanks for all the advice.

**mtsprings** · 12-05-2007, 08:51 PM

4) Either Praxis 195 or Lotus 138 (192cm) - Caged Deathmatch to Follow. Funshapes still uncertain. Hard to beat the sexiness of the Praxis, but then there is the lightness and the flat underfoot on the Lotus.

Let me know if you decide to sell the Lotus 138's.

**bigairnbumps** · 02-13-2008, 02:12 AM

Has any death match ensued? I’m really looking for your feedback on the lotus 120. Sent an inquiry to DPS about the 120 -> 178cm flex 2 w\ the duke. Have also read some of the other reviews and mounting options for the 120. And it sounds like a mid-sole binding mount is key.