Goodnight all.........

[Telephil]

^^^^^^

In memory of the real KQ, and I'm having a bad day.

[Jumper Bones]

Originally posted by Beaver
I for one certainly hope you clowns don't cause KQ to stop posting.

I hate to say this, but if someone can't take some heat when they've been dishing out fire, then that's their problem. All it was, was simple feedback. You post something, and you open yourself up to that. You'd be more than welcome to jump over me for shopping at REI, since I started a thread bitching about them today. That's a hazard of posting.

That said, I sincerely doubt that's the case here...she doesn't seem the type to run from something minor like this. Too strong a character, from what we've seen here yet so far, for that. But I have yet to meet her, so I can't speak from personal experience

I feel that maybe there should be a separate "front page" section, so that the "ski/snowboard" one didn't become too bogged down. This is after all a community, and I think there should be a community room. That could include NSR political discussions, rampages, or me commenting on seeing a good movie last night, without getting sucked into the wierdness of the movies & music section. Or diverting from the porn links in the padded room. See what I'm getting at?

personally the place is just fine now if you ask me...I tire of the constant 'I overcooked my food last night and it's bush's fault' complaining, but this community is awesome and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

[Schmear]

Originally posted by dipstik
Seriously, she can dish it out but she can't take it.

Uh, maybe she's at home sick today? Maybe her office network is down? Maybe she actually went skiing?

If you don't actually know why she didn't post today (I don't), stay out of the argument.

[The AD]

Originally posted by Jetter
I hate to say this, but if someone can't take some heat when they've been dishing out fire, then that's their problem. All it was, was simple feedback.

No, it was over the top. If it was limited to MD9 saying "enough with the political posts" that would have been one thing, but it didn't exactly stop there. I saw a spate of posts, a fake alias, etc. devoted to this yesterday. These are the things, and not KQ's post, that killed the stoke yesterday.

[Viva]

Edit: Looks like there was a time-limit on those Boondocks comic strips I posted here.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by dipstik
Seriously, she can dish it out but she can't take it. Look at all the personal attacks and aliases AKPM has to deal with and he still sticks around.

There's a failure here in distguishing between making political statements, personal attacks and being hassled for topic matter.

Not that it matters to anyone.

I think in light of the recent success of "sprocket rockets", Owens should just go ahead and create a political forum. Problem solved.

I'm not sure that politics needs bicycles upstream, but I'd agree that a political room may be appropriate.

[Blurred Elevens]

This is the worst thread I've ever seen. AKPM threads make this one took like a turd in a corner.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by Jetter
I hate to say this, but if someone can't take some heat when they've been dishing out fire, then that's their problem. All it was, was simple feedback. You post something, and you open yourself up to that. You'd be more than welcome to jump over me for shopping at REI, since I started a thread bitching about them today. That's a hazard of posting.

I most respectfully entirely disagree. As mentioned, there's a big difference between personal attacks and posting political positions. If the community is too stupid or careless to understand the distinction and do something constructive about it, people are free to leave.

That said, I sincerely doubt that's the case here...she doesn't seem the type to run from something minor like this. Too strong a character, from what we've seen here yet so far, for that. But I have yet to meet her, so I can't speak from personal experience

She's a tough and graceful person. Too bad I'm so dumb.

I feel that maybe there should be a separate "front page" section, so that the "ski/snowboard" one didn't become too bogged down. This is after all a community, and I think there should be a community room. That could include NSR political discussions, rampages, or me commenting on seeing a good movie last night, without getting sucked into the wierdness of the movies & music section. Or diverting from the porn links in the padded room. See what I'm getting at?

Yup. I think. But then again, I bees very dum.

personally the place is just fine now if you ask me...I tire of the constant 'I overcooked my food last night and it's bush's fault' complaining, but this community is awesome and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

I recommended: "House of Bush, House of Saud" and "American Dynasty" for your edification. There's no recipes in either.

[summit]

Sorry to say...

It is no wonder that KQ posted all her politics here. She simply couldn't handle the shit that she would encounter on a real political board.

It is very apparent that if she couldn't handle the infant sized helping of shit she received here, she wouldn't last 5 seconds on the shitfactory that usually is a political board.

The minute antagonism KQ left over is a drop of water in the ocean compared to what other people here put up with.

Like someone else said... if you breath fire, you better have thick scaly skin too.

[L7]

I agree with Buster, people aren't seeing the obvious difference between voicing an opinion and a personal attack. Although KQ disagreed with many and deftly rebutted others opinions she did it without attacking the person just the opinion.

This is probably why she's not on a political board (maybe she is) she hoped for better than shouting down an opinion and personal attacks. I'd like to think we could be better but sadly we weren't.

She was run off with a barrage of personal attacks set off by cranky end of season skiers who chose to gang up on one person for doing what everyone here does plenty of. ie: post personal views, personal problems, porn, news stories and generally tons of stuff unrelated to skiing. Frankly I get tired of lots of it but I'm also entertained and enlightened by lots of it. It's easy to choose what to read by it's stated content and also by the author.

KQ could take on any opposing opinions and argue her side intelligently. What she didn't seem inclined to take and indeed shouldn't have to is personal attacks and bullying from a mob mentality.

I don't see this is just a board about skiing but a board of skiers and their broad and varied interests.

And besides BUSH DOES SUCK AND IS A VERY DANGEROUS STUPID SELF SERVING LEADER in my opinion.

[mrw]

Originally posted by bad_roo
Years later you can look back and say. "I remember bitching about that with some lawyer chick from Seattle with big boobies." History in the making I tell ya.

How 'bout them boobies

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Sorry to say...

It is no wonder that KQ posted all her politics here. She simply couldn't handle the shit that she would encounter on a real political board.

Excuse me, but may I point out that you are engaging in a personal attack? She can handle any political discussion. But she's tired of infantile behavior that fails to distinguish between discussion and personal attacks.

Now show us you understand.

It is very apparent that if she couldn't handle the infant sized helping of shit she received here, she wouldn't last 5 seconds on the shitfactory that usually is a political board.

The minute antagonism KQ left over is a drop of water in the ocean compared to what other people here put up with.

Like someone else said... if you breath fire, you better have thick scaly skin too.

This is a problem.

[summit]

Not a personal attack... just me calling it like I see it. If my view on the subject offends you, deal with it.

"OMFG A PERSONAL ATTACK! SHE CAN HANDLE POLITICS, BUT NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS!"
BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHHHAH! Ever been to a political board? Do you know what a real flame war is? Apparently not. Again, that is why she must have posted here. We are far more civil here.

She couldn't handle a few people saying: "This is what I think of you and this is what I think you do and I don't like it!"

edited to add: I'm not saying it's a good thing she couldn't handle it, because it isn't. It really is too bad!

This is *JUST* the internet or heavens sakes.

I surely am NOT saying that everyone should be able to put up with what, for example, AKPM puts up with either, because that isn't fair IMHO.

But what she faced was hardly different than the shit nearly all of the people here have encountered at some point either here or elsewhere and have dealt with without running off.

If you breath fire, you better have thick scaly skin too.
THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM, THAT IS A *FACT* OF LIFE! Deal with it.

[mr_gyptian]

did the moratorium on political threads get lifted? I musn't have received the memo.

KQ's a typical split tail. plenty of people have been personally attacked around here and not left. Buster maybe it was you or possibly the Rev that went on full on screech monkey mode calling me a Nazi on PowMag. that's not the worst I've been called.


MD9 calls her out once. and poof she's gone. so what. If I wanted to read someone quoting the virtues of Michael Moore I'd read the NY Times.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Not a personal attack... just me calling it like I see it. If my view on the subject offends you, deal with it.

"OMFG A PERSONAL ATTACK! SHE CAN HANDLE POLITICS, BUT NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS!"
BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHAHHHAH! Ever been to a political board? Do you know what a real flame war is? Apparently not. Again, that is why she must have posted here. We are far more civil here.

She couldn't handle a few people saying: "This is what I think of you and this is what I think you do and I don't like it!"

edited to add: I'm not saying it's a good thing she couldn't handle it, because it isn't. It really is too bad!

This is *JUST* the internet or heavens sakes.

I surely am NOT saying that everyone should be able to put up with what, for example, AKPM puts up with either, because that isn't fair IMHO.

But what she faced was hardly different than the shit nearly all of the people here have encountered at some point either here or elsewhere and have dealt with without running off.

If you breath fire, you better have thick scaly skin too.
THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM, THAT IS A *FACT* OF LIFE! Deal with it.

Again, I disagree. Just because certain behavior exists doesn't justify it. She didn't breathe fire. She posted some views and some recipes and stuff. But she's entitled to set her own level of patience.

[Schmear]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

I surely am NOT saying that everyone should be able to put up with what, or example, AKPM puts up with either, because that isn't fair IMHO.

That's kind of funny, because it seems obvious to me that AKPM is intentionally fishing for insults. It's part of his act. He's trying to become the loveable loser of the board, and I'd say it's working. He puts up with it because he wants it. He's not such a dumb kid ya know.

KQ posted an item in good faith which she thought would receive sympathy from much of the board. Instead she was met with unexpected resistance from her own peers. That's the difference between KQ and AKPM. Maybe she got what was coming, but she obviously didn't expect it. Sometimes surprises can sting.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
did the moratorium on political threads get lifted? I musn't have received the memo.

KQ's a typical split tail. plenty of people have been personally attacked around here and not left. Buster maybe it was you or possibly the Rev that went on full on screech monkey mode calling me a Nazi on PowMag. that's not the worst I've been called.

That was I. And as I recall, you disappeared for a while. I'm guilty of being an asshole at times since sometimes a response in kind is what's called for. Maybe we could have a real discussion about some political stuff sometimes like I used to with my late best friend who was a far right rebumblican. But I haven't seen that level of interaction from you.

(edit) So, in what sense is she a split tail? Think of it as an opportunity to engage at a reasonable level.

MD9 calls her out once. and poof she's gone. so what. If I wanted to read someone quoting the virtues of Michael Moore I'd read the NY Times.

It wasn't a function of that one instance, so please don't trivialize it to that.

[snowsprite]

Perhaps she did bolt a little too easily, but for me the fact remains that I miss KQ b/c I enjoyed a lot of her quips and comments. I would like it if she returned.

Sprite

[EPSkis]

"Trivialize" ~ WOTD.

Dammit, gyptian.

Ya done gone & did it.

[optics]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
...This is *JUST* the internet or heavens sakes...

Kinda, kinda not. It's "just" the internet until you have personal contact with the people. Then it becomes a place where you keep in touch with people you know in the "real world" , and a community of people you share a passion with.

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
It is no wonder that KQ posted all her politics here. She simply couldn't handle the shit that she would encounter on a real political board. ...

Maybe she posts NSR things here because after years of knowing - both on and offline - the people here, she sees it as a community that extends beyond its original intent. Going to a random politcal board to debate requires very different motivation than posting off-topic here, where we know each other (in a way).

Guess the bullshit just got to outweigh the stoke and sense of community here for her, and it's pretty understandable. Having the mentality that everyone just better be thick-skinned so we can all flame each other without anyone getting sick of it is fucking stupid.

[summit]

Originally posted by optics
Maybe she posts NSR things here because after years of knowing - both on and offline - the people here, she sees it as a community that extends beyond its original intent. Going to a random politcal board to debate requires very different motivation than posting off-topic here, where we know each other (in a way).

Guess the bullshit just got to outweigh the stoke and sense of community here for her, and it's pretty understandable. Having the mentality that everyone just better be thick-skinned so we can all flame each other without anyone getting sick of it is fucking stupid.

She put NSR politics here just because she felt a sense of community... riiiight. If you didn't read the minor antagonization of her was because a lot of the time it seemed like that was ALL she contributed (the fact that it may have been intelligent or funny notwithstanding).

She must not thought much of the stoke and sense o community because it took a *minute* amount of "bullshit" (criticism) to get her to think the community and stoke (which she wasn't much of a contributor of) wasn't worth it. I don't think that was her reasoning because if it was she had zero commitment to this place.

This is the internet. You may know some people here. WEEE! In general, we treat those we know IRL differently. We are a great community, but nevertheless, we are all human. You will get a personal attack now and then if you choose to continually express controversial opinions. That is a fact of life, right or wrong, like it or not.

If you cannot handle this fact of life and don't want to experience it, then you'd better not do things that might bring criticism. She couldn't deal with a tiny dose of it and that is just too bad. Was she supposed to get some sort of special treatment?

That may not be right or happy hippie peacenick acceptable, but its the way things are. Deal with it.

This group keeps such things to a minimum vs other places I hang out... except during the summer. The only way you can end it is if you have moderators. Nobody wants moderators. We moderate ourselves and do a damned good job of it too.

POLITICS IS FIRE

[optics]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
If you cannot handle this fact of life and don't want to experience it, then you'd better not do things that might bring criticism.

Option B: leave, which is gaining popularity.

That may not be right or happy hippie peacenick acceptable, but its the way things are.

Haven't always been that way, here or the other place. The fact that it's "the way things are" now obviously has had a direct effect on the quantity - and in some cases quality - of the people posting here.

POLITICS IS FIRE

Still fucking stupid.

[trainnvain]

SummitCo 1776

Needs to get laid.

[summit]

Originally posted by optics
Option B: leave, which is gaining popularity.



Haven't always been that way, here or the other place. The fact that it's "the way things are" now obviously has had a direct effect on the quantity - and in some cases quality - of the people posting here.

OOOH ITS SO FUCKING COOL TO LEAVE!

Who has left over antagonism recently? 1 person? WOW! SO FUCKING POPULAR THEY MUST BE SO COOL? I you really stretch it... 2 people?
Wow! Quiting must be the way to go http://www.tetongravity.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

I think your memory must be selective. This place cycles and what we are seeing isn't unusual (except perhaps the Alias Storm)

I refer you back to Iceman's comments on this subject which are right on the money.

Originally posted by iceman
But all this recent hand-wringing about the crap level or whatever is in my opinion silly.

There has always been a crap level, and it ebbs and flows. Part of it is seasonal in nature, part of it is personalities clashing, part of it is hormonal, and so on. There were times back on powmag when it got so shrill it was almost ear-splitting, which is an accomplishment in a silent medium. People were talking about how the place had gone to shit three years ago! But then it would swing back the other way and all would be well for a while.

Keep your chins up, little campers. It's all part of the process.

That's the case. Now stop whining because someone folded over minute minute antagonism that goes along with politics.

POLITICS IS FIRE

Still fucking stupid.

I'm glad we agree!

[mr_gyptian]

Buster,

the reason I left for a while is because I moved and switched to a less computer intensive job. or more accurately to a job in which I actually worked( sorry Northern Trust).

secondly name an instance in which I've engaged in intellectual dishonesty concerning politics. or an instance in which I've personally attacked a person without first being attacked.

maybe I'm just not nuanced enough. but MD9 called her out and she's gone. weak sauce.