The Patriots have a ridiculous offense. Tom Brady never throws an incompletion and Randy Moss can not be covered. Next weeks game vs a crazy good, defending champ Indy team is gonna be INSANE.
That is all.
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The Patriots have a ridiculous offense. Tom Brady never throws an incompletion and Randy Moss can not be covered. Next weeks game vs a crazy good, defending champ Indy team is gonna be INSANE.
That is all.
52-0
Oh. My. God.
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Originally Posted by MassLiberal
Why would you run the score up like that??!! That is just pure asshattery. If you're that far ahead just lay off, its not like you're proving anything. That is low class right there.
That said next week's game will be fun. I think Indy can run up the score on that Pats D (the Dolphins put up 28) but I don't know if they'll be able to slow the Pats O enough to yank it out. That is the key to the game really.
Very interesting call going for it on 4th and short inside the Redskins' 15 while winning 38-0 late in the game.
And who said Belichick isn't a douchebag??
i wholeheartedly disagree. they are paid to score points. their incentives depend on their stats. there's no reason not to run up the score.
"lay off?" if one of the players ever suggested such a thing, they'd be benched.
Perserving idiot post of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by smalls
Not playing 100% and going for it on 4th and short inside the 15 when up by 38 points is a completely different thing.
Backup QB and RB going to the ground game and still scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by belgian
It's not High School, its the NFL.
It's not too sporting to keep pouring it on, but pro football is not a sport. It's a business.
precisely. i don't think college teams should run up scores. but in the nfl, they're there to make money, and they do so by scoring as much as possible and making themselves look as good as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by trainnvain
preserve posts all you want NickP, no coach in the nfl is going to "lay off" until after the final two-minute warning.
I agree that in the NFL you should play to win and have as much success as possible. I think at 38-0 it is dangerous to have Brady still playing. However i like letting them keep playing, the backups need practice too. If the Skins don't want to have the score run up on them, PLAY SOME DEFENSE.
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Originally Posted by trainnvain
What does it matter if it isn't high school? Does sportsmanship disappear when you start getting paid for it? Sure, the Patriots are good enough to act like dicks because they can back it up with their play. But it is still a total dick move.
And for the record, while pro football is indeed a business, it is still a sport. One in which the best players in the sport play against each other, where they're expected to be good people who set good examples for those who idolize them. Running up a score to 52-7 is NOT good leadership, it is low class and unsportsmanlike. And just in case you were unaware, college football is a pretty fucking big business too, and they wouldn't be very pleased if one team continued to run up the score week in and week out.
Anyway, that is my opinion, you are free to disagree. But don't do it just because you're a Pats fan and you love to see them run up the score on a hapless team.
And as an aside very rarely are players given bonuses based upon statistics that are large enough to merit them doing what they did today. Unless those stats are what percentage of the plays you were on the field for, etc. Otherwise you'd see a whole lot less of the 1st round picks who manage to make $5mil/year riding their fat contracts out on the bench because they aren't capable of starting at the pro level.
Are you kidding? Its poor sportsmanship to lower your level of play to accommodate the losing team. When I was rowed in HS you were not allowed to slow down towards the end of the race if you had crushed the other boats, in fact you would have been disqualified due to poor sportsmanship. They recorded a teams strokes/min throughout the race.
a big part of the reason the pats are so good is because every person on the team does their job. "letting up" is not part of the game plan and could very easily do more harm than good to the team chemistry, which right now is about as good as it could be. bellicheck has to do what is best for his team. would scoring less help his team? fuck no. could it screw something up? yes.
Actually, I'm a Seahawks fans.
This is a business. If you have to run practice drills against another team in the regular season, so be it.
I watched a good portion of this game. There was great disparity between Washington's level of play and NE's in this game.
Fuck that sportsmanship crap when it's a business, beat the tar out an organization when you can.
Trust me, the losing players aren't crying as hard as the losing fans are.
Yes. Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by belgian
Well, I suppose all I can say at this point is that I'm glad that none of you are involved in pro sports.
Oh and for the record, I'm a Raiders fan, so normally I have no problems with general douchebaggery on the football field, but this one just bugs me.
And if the hooded one were ever to leave the Patriots, I'd assume you wouldn't want him to be the coach of the donks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio
Belichick can be a douche, but he's our douche, so I love him.
Why? Why are people so afraid of pouring it on?
Some sort of karmic bullshit in the future?
If you win by your own means and abilities, you loss by the same is your worst fate.
People need to stop confusing coddling with sportsmanship.
These guys make millions of dollars.
Fuck that. Remember week two when the NE Pats were called cheaters? Well this pay back. Now everyone should bow down. "Oh stop scoring points", please.
Teams can come back from big deficits in no time. And it would be irresponsible to a teams owners and investors not to score as many points as possible to stay on top.
Maybe the week two thread should be bumped.
Now, the Super Bowl is next week and I can't wait.
Because it's only a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by belgian
Do you get upset at boxing matches when one guy is getting beat up and is finally knocked out?
Why weaken yourself and your team by playing like the B team only cuz you're playing a B team? That's gat.
Did the short bus just stop and let everyone off in this thread?
Comparing rowing, a timed sport, to football? Holy shit ... never thought I would see that one coming in million years.
I'm still waiting for someone to justify not kicking the fieldgoal when up 38-0. I've already posed the statement twice with no response. You guys want to bring up player incentives for achieving certain stats ... I'm sure Gostkowski isn't too pleased with that call.
And if Belichick was coaching someone else and doing the same thing, all your Chowderheads would be bitching about it.
fwiw: i'm not a patriots fan. in fact, you could say that i dislike them.
and i'm not defending not going for the field goal, especially not in the manner in which they went for it. risking brady like that was just dumb.
however the original point was about running up the score, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with that. if you think there is, then you clearly haven't been paying attention to pro football for the last 30 years.
Right, I've never seen coaches like Bill Parcels sit on the ball in the 4th quarter when up by a healthy amount and call for a run on 10 out of 10 plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by smalls
This is exactly the reasoning I use when deciding whether or not to ski with you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Do you see a brontosaurus in your front yard? No?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio
That's because dinosaurs are extinct.
I wish football were more like a sport where after the game, you could go out and grab a beer with the other team and sit down and have a nice chitchat about whatever the hell it is that pro football players talk about. I remember a rugby match, not too long ago, where the all-blacks kicked the shit out of the other team. This other team had just been formed and wasn't very good. After the game, the captain of the All-blacks went into the other team's changing room and thanked them for the game, then asked if they wanted to play a game of soccer, just for fun. The other team ended up beating the all blacks. That is sportsmanship. Unfortunately, most pro football players are too high on steroids or too bitter to even acknowledge that the other team is there.
with the BCS, college football is the one sport where running up the score is just about a requirement. if a big name team doesnt trounce a smaller school or just eeks out a win, it actually can result in the big name school dropping in the standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by belgian
so belgian, what do you suggest? a mercy rule in pro football?
remember, the detroit lions put up 34 points in the 4th quarter a couple weeks ago. teams have come back from as much as 32 points behind to win games.
If you read TMQ I think Greg Eastabrook covers this well. Win with dignity, lose with honor.
And to those who say they are rubbing it in the NFL's face for the cheating thing- cool, your pissed off as a team because you were CAUGHT cheating.
Live it up New England, one day the shoe will be on the other foot. All it takes is one retaliatory cheap shot on Brady and the season looks a lot different.
And Nick, keep fighting the good fight.
And yes, I'm one of those people who think Pete Rose should never enter the hall in his lifetime.
Uhm, if you are a pro- run the ball up the middle, kick a field goal on 4th down, kneel down at the end of the game. Play like you are men. Not insecure boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
this isn't college or High School where one team can potentially be vastly superior to the other due to factors beyond the control of the athletes or coaches. Theres no way that a school like Harvard or Yale is gonna be able to compete with Florida or Ohio State on a football field.
This is the pros, you want better players, scout better, draft better, spend your money wisely on Free Agents, and hire the best coaching staff/front office talent you can.
I always used to think it was BS when Baseball owners like Carl Pohlad complain that they can't compete. You're one of the 400 richest Americans, don't tell me you don't have money to get players:rolleyes:
Two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperGaper
1. The Pats are not pissed at getting caught cheating (what they got caught doing is not that different from what every other team tries to do -- why else does Andy Reid send the plays in with the play card covering his mouth?). They are pissed at the reaction around the league and from the mediots, especially those that said this "tainted" the three rings that the PLAYERS won. Easterbrook, in particular, is a prime example of the species. You're backing the words of an Iraq War-loving, global warming-denying, Jew and Belichik conspiracy theorist believer who actually believes that his shit don't stink and his columns are funny. So good luck with that. Champ.
2. As for the actual matter at hand. This is the NFL. There is a salary cap. All teams start with a level playing field. Is it 100% the right thing to do? No. But this is not boxing. The ref isn't going to step in and give you a standing eight count.
And rightly so because attacking a defenseless opponent in the NFL will lead to little more than hurt feelings. It has been clear for weeks now that the Pats are sending a message to the rest of the league. If you don't want to get embarrassed, play better and play till the gun. Period. I expect Indy has taken notice and it should be a great game next week.
Also: what Laser said
Bingo. And all those here saying that it's somehow OK to go for it on 4th and short while up 38-0 will be the first to scream bloody murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperGaper
All that talent and three Super Bowls, and yet the Patriots organization somehow remains utterly devoid of class from top to bottom.
While New England does have some talent on that team, something just seems fishy about how they are able to do this, especially considering the ruling after week one.
Yes, they have a future hall of fame QB under center and a pretty good wideout, but how does someone like Wes Walker do NOTHING for any club than ends up in the patriots system and is somehow now having 100+ yard games without catching a sweat?
I'm not really a conspiracy theorist, but I want to think something is going on in Gillette stadium. I know it's not impossible for a team to go 8-0, but look at all the major teams that have had long unbeaten streaks - they all had lots of high quality star talent all over the field on both sides of the ball. The pats have talent, but they seem to be able to also take some rotten apricots and turn it into the most delicious lemonade in the world (figuratively of course).
Let's see what happens next week. Indy is pretty darn solid on both sides of the ball, so it will certainly be an interesting game. However, if a matchup of two 7-0 teams turns into another New England massacre, I think the league needs to think about investigating.
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kellen - go get yourself a tin foil hat.
class does not = belladick. oh, and nice cut-off sweatshirt you tool.
I'm not a Patriot fan, and certainly not a Belechick fan, but I think I can defend this... If you kick a field goal, that's 3 points virtually guaranteed from that distance. By going for it, they are giving the Redskins a chance to step up and stop them. If they can't, they can't. What are the Patriots supposed to do in this situation, take a knee???Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio
The Patriots were just running their offense.... nothing more. It just so happened that everyone was covering their blocking assignments, and executing properly. I don't understand how New England can "let up"... What? Not play hard? Every game they play, they are PREPARING to win the Super Bowl. Everything you can get on film counts. You want to see how certain plays look against cetain defenses, and in certain downs and distances. I can understand what they were doing. These are two PRO teams... It's not like the University of Michigan beating up on poor little Appalachian State (oh...wait.. well, you get my point.)
All that being said, if the Pats would have done that to the Lions, I'd be pissed today. At the Lions.
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Originally Posted by belgian
The thing that is supposed to prevent a team from running up the score is the OTHER teams defense, not the head coach of the offensive team.
with THAT type of lead, don't you want to protect your starters for the rest of the season - what would bella say if brady or moss was injured with the big lead?
The Pats put third stringers in, they need practice also at full speed. Now, show some respect for one of the greatest NFL teams of all time chumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinnepa
ahhhh, that's good - didn't watch the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckerman
are you say there were no 3ed stringers in? Or that the 2007 New England Patriots are not one of the best NFL teams of all time?Quote:
Originally Posted by cinnepa