Umm. I need some serious input here from the legal maggots.

2 years ago here there was a motorcycle gang war going on in the region. Mostly over titty bars. Then they left the area. However, they have moved back into the region. And they are starting to strong arm business's even on the mtn.

Basically they are showing up beating up customers, going down the village walkway and randomly beating up 60 year old tourists.

Yesterday they were at La Forge at the high point most busiest time of Apre ski(one of the main bars and eatery's here right in the village square). They were doing their intimidation schtick. 3 attacked one of the cooks and a few of the customers. After they left, they went down to La Diable microbrew and put another elderly man in the hospital. The police finally showed up. But this is how scared the cops are of them. The police were not even a half a block away where the Fairmont strikers are at. They didn't show up untill it was overwith. The biker gangs have made their pressence known in the main mtn village, old Tremblant village, and St Jovite.

Intrawest right away went around to the business's and told them not to discus it with anybody. They said that they were increasing security's pressence in the village.

I recieved an unofficial phone call telling me not to post about it on my site, and if I did I could face legal action. I said kiss my ass and hung up.

Now I'm going to post about it. This is serious and customers have a right to know. I couldn't stand by and see someone get hurt knowing I kept my mouth shut. So my question is how much legal trouble could I get in here by telling people what is going on and to be careful.

Unfortunately this isn't a joke.

I'd be less worried about getting sued for something on my site and more worried about having my house/truck/family trashed if these are truely the badasses they sound like.

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Originally posted by char
I'd be less worried about getting sued for something on my site and more worried about having my house/truck/family trashed if these are truely the badasses they sound like.

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Hiding has never been part of me. And yes I've thought about that. Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.ateamshrine.co.uk/gallery/pub12.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Which groups?

Drama.

Heh.

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Originally posted by phUnk
Drama.

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Yes it is. And unfortunately it has locals very worried. The last time something like this went down one man got gut shot, others hurt seriously. The business they were after got burnt to the ground. The owner disappeared, and what was left of the place was purchased very cheaply way under market value by unknown buyers.

Sunny days in the spring, summer, and fall members of a motercycle club come up and hang around one bar that they openly own on the main street. Locals avoid it like the plague. Even cross the street and go around it. Police when they cruise by look in the opposite direction.

I really don't mean to dramatise this. But they are picking out people at random.

Edit: Changed Plaque for the correct spelling of Plague. This was spotted by Dex. He is secretly training me for the "2005 Adult dyslexic spelling bee challenge";)

Paging Viva? (lawyer, I'm pretty sure)

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Originally posted by TJ.Brk
Locals avoid it like the plaque.

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Therein lies the problem with the Cavity Creeps.
"We make holes in teeth"

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Originally posted by TJ.Brk


Intrawest right away went around to the business's and told them not to discus it with anybody. They said that they were increasing security's pressence in the village.

I recieved an unofficial phone call telling me not to post about it on my site, and if I did I could face legal action. I said kiss my ass and hung up.

Now I'm going to post about it. So my question is how much legal trouble could I get in here by telling people what is going on and to be careful.

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Unless you have some kind of contract(or confidentially agreeement with them, I don't see how they can take legal action against you. Of course, you're in Canada and I'm in the process of getting shit faced... Best, Dood!

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Originally posted by char
I'd be less worried about getting sued for something on my site and more worried about having my house/truck/family trashed if these are truely the badasses they sound like.

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Of course, TJ is an ex marine and could probably kill 4 people at once with one hand and a box of bisquick.

Screw Intrawest if you didn't sign anything with them, they need to be held accountable for doing nothing.

edit: grammar good no.

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Originally posted by Ski Monkey
Of course, TJ is an ex marine and could probably kill 4 people at once with one hand and a box of bisquick.

Screw Intrawest if you didn't sign anything with them, they need to be held accountable for doing nothing.

edit: grammar good no.

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Yeah, I thought it was the motorcycle gang calling him, looks like it is Intrawest (or someone at the resort.).

buy a gun. nah, make that a large artillery piece or a nuclear weapon. then follow the steps below:

wait to do this until the bar is FILLED to beyond capacity

1) enter biker bar
2) yell "whos ur daddy ur pansy bitches"
3) run out of the door, jamming it behind you with various objects to allow yourself enough time to get across the street
4) demolish the bar with bikers inside using nuclear weapons, 155mm artillery, machine guns, flamethrowers, flying phUnk sluts, spears, etc... you get the idea

they wont fuck with you. or maybe they will, but the best step of all:

5) repeat as necessary

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Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Therein lies the problem with the Cavity Creeps.
"We make holes in teeth"

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Bwahahahahahaha Dex. I didn't even notice I used a "q" instead of a "g".

You get a cookie. :D

As a 1L in the states, let me begin by saying that I don't know what slander and defamation law is like in Canada- or the U.S. for that matter. I do know that, unless you have some type of deal with Intrawest that prevents you from publishing shit they don't want you to publish, they probably can't stop you from putting it on your website. Assuming it's true.

But- they are a big company with a legal department who can give you headaches that probably aren't worth it for you to deal with, from an economic perspective. And, more importantly for you, they can kick you off of their mountain if they want. There is constitutionally protected freedom of the press, sure, and if what you're reporting is true then you should be okay from claims of that sort; but they have a right as property owners to exclude people from their land that is pretty easy for them to exercise (although now that you don't have the Aztek, it's not as easy as before). So you have to weigh what you could potentially lose against what you gain in this situation.

Generally, posting bad things about the Quebec gangs is bad for your health (according to the newspapers anyway). As long as you're not slandering the ski resorts they can't do anything. Getting the national papers to pick up the story would be more fun and safer too.

Thanks Alex and Viva. As far as getting kicked off the mtn. Unofficially I was informed that they thought about doing that to me last fall. But because of the following I had from my information on RSN, the amount of traffice I get on my site, and the people I send to their shops/boutigues they let me ski on the mtn. But I do get harrassed alot. It's worth the the hassle if my site helps a fellow snow lover some money or hassle.

teej-

dont even bother dealing with intraworst about this. why would you?


better just to plant a story with montreal papers about how the property values are going down and the whole place is going to shit because of the inability of the local jurisdiction to handle the situation.

this will get the real players involved as their "investment" will be at risk. a couple well placed photos will do the trick as alot of canadian politicians own property in the area.

however, in general terms, having gangs around helps to keep the greed factor down in resorts - sort of cheap growth management.

Or you could just move out west, where it actually snows, Intrawest won't harass you, and the biker gangs are mostly washed up. That way, you could kill 3 birds with one stone. ;)

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Originally posted by Ted Stryker
teej-

dont even bother dealing with intraworst about this. why would you?


better just to plant a story with montreal papers about how the property values are going down and the whole place is going to shit because of the inability of the local jurisdiction to handle the situation.

this will get the real players involved as their "investment" will be at risk. a couple well placed photos will do the trick as alot of canadian politicians own property in the area.

however, in general terms, having gangs around helps to keep the greed factor down in resorts - sort of cheap growth management.

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Funny part was some of it was carried on my streaming cams yesterday ( I did turn that over to the police).

I'm kinda caught in a Catch 22 situation about this. And Montreal papers have really been following this topic because one of the Hav's hockey players entire family is on trial for extorsion, and murder. They have a well known affiliation with the Montreal gangs.

My wife works for the business's hit. That really concerns me. Luckily I've been teaching hand to hand to defend herself. And some think the the Unions are involved with this as well because of the strike.

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Originally posted by BakerBoy
Or you could just move out west, where it actually snows, Intrawest won't harass you, and the biker gangs are mostly washed up. That way, you could kill 3 birds with one stone. ;)

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Ha ha ha ha. Thanks man. I know what you truly mean. And I love my wife very, very, very much. She wan't to be close to her family. Love is worth some sacrifice.

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Funny part was some of it was carried on my streaming cams yesterday ( I did turn that over to the police).

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dont give the police anything, unless they specifically request it. in writing.

the police obviously can't (or are directed not to) deal with the situation. and don't get cross ways with the gangs by working proactively with the cops. in all likelihood there are local cops with gang ties. take the low road and do taped interviews with tourists and second homeowners saying" I'm never coming back here again" or "i'm selling my condo now" etc. then the corrupt rich fuks will pay off those who are causing the trouble to go fuk with some other place.

its all about the money; just sit back and watch the whole thing crater. its not like all that jackass shit intraworst threw up is going anywhere.
this is an opportunity: take black and white photos!

I am trying to visualize French-speaking bikers: Ne salissez pas avec ma moto

TJ

The best thing you can do is to remain as annonymous as possible while trying to get the local and national media involved. Nothing spurs a government into action like bad press. That said, getting the US media involved probably won't hurt either as the thought of losing tourist dollars is quite unsavory. Keep your name and face out of it at all costs as these fuckers will come after you, and regardless of how prepared you are you just don't need that crap in your life. It's simply not worth it.

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You have video? Fuck the papers! Call CBC, CTV, and especially GlobalTV immediately. Stay away from the Montreal (French Language) bureaux, call their HQ's in Toronto directly.

This story is MADE for newsmagazine shows like 60 minutes or 20/20 in the States. I'm sure my Canadian colleagues have something similar.

Stay safe T.J. I remember very well the reports of vehicles being blown up, gun battles, etc. that came with the last big biker war in Montreal.

I applaud you taking a stand, and wanting to warn tourists of what is going on, but don't get yourself, or your loved ones hurt over this deal.

So why isn't Michael Moore reporting on this? In Bowling for Columbine, he made Canada (along with Canadian Bacon) seem like such a nice place. Of course, that's the way he presented South Central/Compton too.:rolleyes:


TJ, you were a soldier, act like one. Do your thing, pack heat, and bring pressure to the police force about their incompetence to Serve and Protect. Maybe some will sack up and bring in some strength, IE the Army, or at least a group of people who aren't such a bunch of weak, bleeding heart pussies. Good luck, and don't give out your address or real name......:D

When you ask about legal advice, I assume you mean regarding the threats about litigation if you post info on the gangs.

Don't know about Canada, but in the States, your right to post about such things would be absoloutely protected by the First Amendment.

I don't care what you do.

But, I did want to mention something: if you put an apostrophe after a word, and then put an 's', it makes that word possessive. Not plural. Possessive.

Thanks.

I contacted CBC networks about it. We'll see what happens. Alot of rent a cops are in the village, so now the gangs will have it even easier:rolleyes:

I called the QPP and RCMP to see if any formal complaints were lodged with them. Both didn't know anything about it. Talked to some buddies that work in the village shops this morning. They were told to keep their mouths shut. So of course it's all over the village and eveyone knows about it. Now all the restuarants/bars had doorman today. Most looked like they couldn't kick a toddlers ass.

The doormen at the local titty bar are packing. This was one of the business's that got burnt down the last time (they torched the place with people inside. Luckily eveyone got out ok), and where 2 people got shot.

One of my lifting partners is a local cop. I'm gonna see what he has to say tonight.

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Heh, lifes to short cornholio, let it go man, let it go.

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I suspect a megacorp like intraworst will eliminate the problem if it threatens their bottom line... otherwise, suck some biker dick... that appeases them i'm told. i thought canada didn't have gun crime?

TJ: get some of your marine buddies up there... marines vs bikers? i wonder who wins that one