It was alright. I only got, like, 3 concussions. Then it got easy.
I just don't see it being as fun as skiing.
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It was alright. I only got, like, 3 concussions. Then it got easy.
I just don't see it being as fun as skiing.
The hardest part is learning to bash your board at the appropriate time in the lift line.
what a fucking gomer... you linked some turns on a groomer and now you get it.:fmicon:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsugar
Who said I linked turns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber Cop
it's notQuote:
I just don't see it being as fun as skiing.
is anything fun on the ice coast? ...exactly.
Actually... Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber Cop
Your an idiot.
and boarding sux
No.....You're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by the Mad
Yea, Well you smell.:fmicon:
smell like reefer.
'mersh reefer.
For the record, I don't think boarding sucks. I actually think it's fun and challenging and I want to get good at it. I'm going again next weekend. I just don't think that when and if I become as proficient on a snowboard as I am on skis that it will be as fun as skiing.........maybe like 90% as fun, but there is quality to skiing (both actively skiing and watching a skier) that is just a little more...............I don't know.
However, Cyber Cop has a point, I'm not good enough to compare the two yet. I suppose if I ride some pow on a board when I'm halfway decent at it, I could potentially change my tune.
But i doubt it.
I'll check back with ya after you come to jebus.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsugar
bigsug- I'll bet the entire day you were SOOO jealous of all your friends doing daffy's while you were on your wet glutinous maximums!
Yeah, that was my thinking when I went from skiing to snowboarding 17yrs ago. There was a period of about 5-6years when I did both. Once I got really good at snowboarding, I found that I did infact enjoy it more than skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsugar
That said, the last two years I have been eyeballing a set of skis for when its icy at the resorts(boards just don't compare to skis on the ice). Who knows...maybe I will go back to skiing after my 10yr leave.
I do both and split time about 50/50. I skied for ten years, boarded for 7 years and have been splitting time for the last 5 years. I estimate it takes about 20 full days of boarding to get it..and you can master snowboarding late in life and "feel" like an expert. If you didn't learn skiing early in life it never quite feels natural (jmo). some random thoughts:
1. Fat skis are easier than a snowboard in powder. All the elation over fat skis and reverse sidecut makes me laugh. It's snowboarding in drag. Skiers made fun of fat skis back in the day. I know because I had Rossignol axioms bought new in 1993; skiers routinely turned their noses up and made jokes.
2. I like skis in the pipe way more than a snow board. It's more dynamic and in someways easier than a snowboard.
3. It's easier to get around on skis and much more enjoyable in spring.
4. Skiing is more technically challenging. You have 4 apparatusus vs. one snowboard. 4 edges vs. 2.
5. Snowboarding is MUCH easier on your knees and leg joints. I'm glad I have snowboarding for my old age..
I love both sports equally for different reasons.
Its ALL fun, people.
Don't pet the sweaty stuff.
People who are fluent in all of the disciplines generally tend to be more well rounded, chiller to hang with, and are smoother at thier chosen favorite discipline. To diss how some other person enjoys sliding on snow is silly, and petty, when comparing participants of similar skill levels.
Give it a little more time (and a day (or twenty!)with some soft snow!!!)
It is sorta like comparing surfing or waterskiing...there is nothing more pure than a true snowboard carve on snow, with one G-force direction to another, without poles, split legs, etc...not to say that skiing doesn't have pure soul as well.
It is a true, one g-force carve that will set the hook. It is not like anything else that you can experience on snow...clean, pure, and simple.
That being said, I love to ski, too...I just SUCK at it after a few thousand days choosing the board in premium conditions.
boarding is hard to learn at first, but once you got it you are a pro.
skiiing seems like it's easy to pick up, but takes a very long time to perfect.
either way, if you are having fun, you are having fun.
Standing with your upper body twisted in respect to your lower body is easier on the joints?? Maybe compared to a skier rockin bumps.. but dont kno if i fully buy into that (not taking into consideration knee injuries from falls...) If any one can support 1 theory vs the other i would like to hear it...Quote:
Originally Posted by 4matic
No, it's true...just ask your local leading sports orthotpedic surgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavrick
Snowboarding IS easier on the knees....(no twisting ACL prone injuries) but harder on wrists and shoulders, for beginners.
This is pretty common medical knowledge.
Its all fun but, pictures of snowboarders all look so damn gay...
No offense, AK, but lots and lots of your photos look pretty damn gay, too.
Have you ever slayed an Alaska face on a board?
If you have, I am sure you would have a different take.
Try it, it will only improve your skiing...are you opposed to improvement?
Im actually very familiar with orthopedics from a pure anatomical point of view... and I know that skiing is hard on the knees because of the falls (as u mentioned they lead to lots of ACL issues) I was just thinking from a posture standpoint that snowboarders upper bodies are twisted slightly down the hill causing a lot of torque to be placed on the leading knee/ankle...
(maybe i am cannot visualize the proper technique on a board at the moment....im also drawing comparisons from snowboarding having a very similar stance to wakeboarding which has a very high knee injury rate.... my logic may be flawed but just something i have always been curious about so might as well hijack this and ask)
Good points, but wakeboarding may have high knee injury rates...among a pool of wakeboarders. Folks trying to do common wakeboarding maneuvers on two skis (?) successfully would most likely suffer far worse knee injury rates, IMO.
The traingle is the most durable structure in engineering...however I know that is simplistic, due to torsional forces.
Conversely to your thinking, boarders rear legs tend to suffer more, due to weighting issues in powder/chunder, as I have observed.
All good stuff to think about, from a knee health standpoint.
60/40
skis/board
I have enjoyed progressing on the board and lately I have been trying to learn to ride switch.
Tele will be my next sliding tool.
Tele-ing Switch is THE BOMB!!!!
I think it's pretty funny the skiing v snowboarding thing is still alive.
Redundant arguments are the lifeblood of popular forums.
It's true.
i wouldnt say it is alive at all... i have no problem with how people chooses to enjoy snow... i was just curious on the injury info and am a jong who hasnt been aroung to hear previous injury debates..... (and its not like any of us -- riders or skiers -- dont expect to get bitten by the injury bug at some point in our lives doing what we love to do..)
I wasn't refering to you at all mavrick.
well then disregard my previous post!! and yes then I agree with you its funny how the debate lives on... I used to be a board basher big time growing up in the midwest and all... but one i got out to SLC I learned to appreciate people who are good at what they do.. cuz boarders can rip and it looks smooth as hell to watch... (notice i say watch... ;) )
i've done both
I've skied since I was 3, raced for squaw since I was 9 until I was like 15 I think. I tried snowboarding somewhere in that time (while I was racing) and I got decent at it (total of probably over 20-30 days) and skiing is SO much more enjoyable.
snowboarding is kinda fun, but have you ever tried to go fast over anything slightly bumpy? it's horrible, you need to rely on that 1 edge, and it's a pain in the ass IMO. So is strapping in at the top of the lift. BUT, finding your skis in the pow after falling is a bitch too, so it all depends.
It's always cool to hear someone try something new and/or different on the snow. Don't give up.
I've been boarding for several years, and this year I've taken the plunge to learn to ski. I'm hooked; I have only boarded a handful of days since I started skiing. My take so far: skiing seems more natural because I am facing down the fallline; whereas, snowboarding I have to turn my hips and shoulders into the fallline. It definitely helped to have experience snowboarding because many of the same fundamentals can be applied to skiing. I'd imagine this principle can be applied from skiing to snowboarding, too.
Boarding seems to me to be so much less stable at speed--if one part of you is out of balance, you don't have another independent part of you to compensate, and you beater. And maching through crud? I'd imagine it would take more skill and experience to do that on a board than on skis (which is why I respect boarders who can do this).
I always felt like a day of boarding would be a day of skiing wasted... Thus, I have yet to try boarding. I was waiting to get bored in the spring last year and try it one day, but I didn't have a spring on snow. Maybe this year... but I have so many other things I can do on snowless days on skis: bash bumps, practice skiing tight tree lines, try to go fast on shitty snow, find decent hucks to hardpack, ski the park, etc., etc., etc.
Who wants to make a case for me to do otherwise?
I was kinda the same way on a boat. I'd spend about 80% of my time on a ski because wakeboarding kinda felt like time on the water wasted. I just LOOOVED the tremendous acceleration of a good turn on a ski, and I never got good enough at taking air on a board to make it worthwhile. Wonder if that would have changed if I'd had the chance to ski on a course for a while...
Edit to add: Jeremy Jones is a fucking demigod. A Badass with a capital B.
Edit 2: Do snowboarders ever get boot bang (or ankle bang)?
20-30 days is not enough time. give it a few years and report back,Quote:
Originally Posted by jahoney
Bend your knees and go faster - it gets easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahoney
try step-in bindersQuote:
Originally Posted by jahoney
I also tried boarding this past weekend. For me, it was the first time in a decade (10 years ago I tried and failed to learn in 2-3 days). I had a blast, but now my ass is half purple. Snowboards are more fun in Pow, in my opinion, but do suck ass on ice.
It is kinda funny that this "argument" is still "alive". I didn't mean to bash anyone elses favored snow-ride. I was just kinda making a personal observation. I think it's only natural to kind of look ahead to how you will feel about a sport once you perfect it.............right? But like a lot of people here have said, only time and experience will truly tell.
Anyways, I'm stoked and ready to ride sideways again in a couple days.
I'm going to work now.
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Originally Posted by mavrick
My hip occasionally gets sore from snowboarding from twisting and impact on a twisted joint. For me skiing is hard on my knees due to the impact strain from chatter or static pressure on ice. Snowboarding has a shorter, softer, wider platform so the stresses are not as severe. It has nothing to do with crashing.
I used to be the same way till i started skiing in a course. Once I did that I was hooked and became super picky about water conditions because it is frustrating to ski the course on less than perfect water... This led me to wakeboard on the "bad" water and now I actually enjoy that almost as much as skiing since I can do some tricks... kinda crazy how that worked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deep Days
I'll never understand this arguement. Anyone arguing which is more fun is not an expert at both. Skiing has it's days, and boarding had it's days.
I learned to snowboard because I was stuck at a small hill that I was bored skiing. I rode about 80 days for prolly three years, one of those in Boulder. This was before the fat ski was around. Boarding had skiing beat in powder. I also preferred it on groomers. There is no feeling like a well executed frontside carve on corduroy, where your body is scooped up by the g's and held almost perpendicular to the snow for a split second. If you don't know what I am talking about, then you haven't gotten good enough yet.
Skiing was always my go to on those days after a powder day, where everything is pretty chewed up, but not groomed out yet. Skis were more stable on this, and I was more confident on my skis. Also, skis were much better for areas where I would be traversing a lot, like Jackson. I couldn't imagine boarding at Jackson. My calves hurt just thinking about it.
Nowadays, fat skis and long boards have come a long way. I feel just as confident in powder on my skis as I do on a board. I also feel confident maching through chewed up snow on a 163 NeverSummer. The boards and skis are just made better, and made for specific types of riding. It is a toss up as to what to use each day. I feel like I could have fun either way. Usually, it depends what the rest of my crew is doing.
No matter what, though. Nothing in skiing beats that frontside carve. Go get some of that, and tell me different.