Seems like a very natural progression.
Supu, Tuffy, Alka and many more. They ski and ski well.
I have surfed a bit and it seems like the feeling is very similar. Surfing the snow.
Just wondered.
Discuss.
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Seems like a very natural progression.
Supu, Tuffy, Alka and many more. They ski and ski well.
I have surfed a bit and it seems like the feeling is very similar. Surfing the snow.
Just wondered.
Discuss.
For me I just do not enjoy snowboarding the way i do surfing,while skiing has & always will give me the buzz I desire. I like to move my feet around,not possible on a snowboard.
cause in comparison, snowboarding is hella boring.
Long Answer:
In general most surfers prefer snowboarding, not that there's anything wrong with it.
There's a minority of surfer/skiers, and a proud one at that, to be able to master two relatively difficult sports.
Snowboarding has the two-day learning curve. Fuck- I was straightlining black runs on my 2nd hour as a snowboarder, but that's another story. Skiing, with the relatively prolonged gaper plateau, takes a longer time to break through the extremo level. A lot of surfers do not want to go through the prolonged gaper plateau. Instead, they look for a quick easy fix- namely snowboarding. Their excuses will be "...but snowboarding looks like surfing!", or "...but Laird Hamilton/Gerry Lopez/<insert bro-brah big name surfer here> snowboards!"
Snowboarding is like bodyboarding. Any chump can go on a board and sideslip steep chutes, just like any chump can paddle out on their first day and get barrelled on a bodyboard. The appeal of skiing is that it was more difficult and more of a challenge get to the extremo level.
Short Answer:
Because snowboarding is gay.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ani/superg.gif
I agree with what SuPu said. I have skied since 4th grade, skateboarded since 6th, and have been surfing for about 9 yrs now. In the early 90's i snowboarded (about 2 saesons 90% on a board) because it was the new hip thing to do, then realized it was easy compared to skiing. i still try to get on a board a couple of times a year, because it is fun...but i just dont get the same feeling as i do on skis.
i have snowboarded for about 10 years, starting from a surfing background. I started because it looked like fun, and being a surfer looked like a natural progression. Anyway last year i tried skiing for the first time ever and within two runs i was linking parralel turns at decent speed, without a lesson ... i don't think it's that snowboarding is so much easier than skiing, i think that once you have gotten good at one it'seasy to apply the principles to the other and pick it up faster... like if you bodyboarded then changed to surfing you would at least have the understanding of catching waves and the basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superstar Punani
now i think skiing is similar to surfing in the idea of sliding and angling down some kind of fall line whilst standing up. Even though skiiers have a front on stance, the principle of falling down the direct slope and angling across it by holding an edge is universal to both skiing and surfing.
It doesn't really matter how you get the stoke, as long as it's there. For me i have been snowboarding for a bit and still have a long way to go, so i will continue at it untill i don;t think i am improving anymore, or notgetting the stoke out of it, then i might try skiing properly.
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Originally Posted by emetic
So have lots of my friends (and my GF) - any knob can link parallel turns within the 1st 2 days on skis. That doesn't mean that he's anywhere close to "good" or anywhere near leaving gaperdom behind.
how do you spell the sound of snoring?
ummm, duh.... "zzzzzZZZZZ"!Quote:
Originally Posted by stayalert
You mean to tell me?! I'm GAY?! Well, at least I go both ways...Quote:
Originally Posted by Superstar Punani
I'm not a surfer, but I've been windsurfing a long time and love the waves. Snowboarding is more like surfing than sking... (duh, to me)
I love em both and have to say, on an open western snowfield, full of light fluffy stuff, there is not much better than ripping and riding a snowboard. I don't care what any other maggot says, it's totally different than skiing. Once things are tracked, though, I'll take the skies.
I'm glad Superstar is so talented... I'm still nowhere near an expert, but maybe he'll do the Highway Star thing and give a clinic, too? (Highway Star and Super Star.... what a bill!)
I'm with SuPu. Plus in surfing, unless you're lairding it up with tow-ins, your feet are free to move about the board. Contrast snowboarding, where you are stuck to the board like the tail to a manatee.
Plus every wave is fresh tracks, whereas snowboarding yellow hardpack ice isn't fun unless you're name is Sinecure.
you can fly too? how does that compare to surfing?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Only if you push back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
I think this is what surfers do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUn_NKvKQHo
bump for cool video
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Now that was kinda funny......
I don't agree that snowboarding is easier then skiing. I snowboarded for a few seasons and never quite got the hang of it, where as skiing, I picked up easier and could/did ski the whole mountain alot sooner. As far as surfing, I caught a wave and stood up after a couple attempts. Not to say I was good, or have done it in years, but still tons of fun.
That's the equivalent of standing up on skis and making it to the bottom of the bunnyhill without falling. Kudos, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhikeski
I can ski, why would I change? I'd probably stop skiing altogether if I could surf better.
just stating my experience surfing.
I found both snowboarding and skiing to be very easy to establish a baseline level of competence on - much easier than surfing. I'm sure I'd struggle as much to improve beyond that level on a snowboard as I have on skis.
I chose skiing over snowboarding because skis just seemed like a better design for the objective (especially with the advent of fat skis). Skis seemed more adaptable too. As mentioned above, you can make all sorts of adjustment on a surfboard because you're not attached to the board (that has some obvious disadvantages too - you can't appreciate how hard airs are on a surfboard until you try one). If you want to go really fast to make a barrel, scoot up 10 inches and pump. If you want a really whippy effect, move your front foot back 5 inches.
Whenever I snowboarded it felt like surf masturbation. For me, skiing presented its own brand of stoke.
DISCLAIMER:
Do not interpret any portion of this post to reflect a negative disposition toward masturbation on the part of the author.
I skied long before I surfed. I surfed long before I ever jumped on a snowboard.
a) My first impression of snowboarding was that on firmer snow that the snowboard does not turn at all like a surfboard.
b) Traversing on a snowboard? I'd rather not get stuck. I am staunch that the skis are the superior vehicle for getting around the entire mountain.
c) I know people who ski and have snowboarded at both high levels who say the snowboarding is immensely more easier to learn and become proficient.
I skied first. Even before fat skis, I learned to love deep snow on skis. When the snow started to get packed down or bumped out, most of my snowboarder friends got out of the steep terrain and went off to go jump. That really seemed pointless to me, the whole "if it's not powder I don't want to go down anything steep attitude" many(though definitely not all) snowboarders seem to have. Then when we got fat skis....I have plenty of friends who snowboard, but I have no interest in it myself. Skis are just better for steep terrain, and the whole "but powder is so great on a snowboard" argument went out when we got fat skis.
i said first two runs, not two days, but anyway i have no disillusions that i was shredding or anything, but that ( 2 runs) is probably faster than i was able to link turns on a snowboard when i started 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spdfrk43
if you say any knob can grasp the basic principle (parallel turns) of skiing in under two days then it proves it can't be that much harder than boarding.
surfing is way harder than both skiing and riding.
Your years of boarding put you farther ahead of the bell curve on skis than you were on a board 10 years ago. Knowing how the edge works, being comfortable flying down a hill at those speeds, and other skills cross over pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by emetic
yeah definately i agree, and that is probably a big factor when skiiers say that snowboarding is easier as well, because lots of people have been skiing for years, and then cross over to boarding. I alludded to that in an earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brocktoon
Your post makes no sense. First you state that you're not a surfer. Then you state that snowboarding is more like surfing than skiing. How would you know that if you're not a surfer?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDaddy
You make a very good point... I may be talking out of my ass. I wavesail and snowboard, which to me, are similar. (More than say skiing.) Kiteboarding is probably more like snowboarding, but I haven't tried that yet. JMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by Jer
wow you must be like a total bad ass surferQuote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
hey new guys, we've discussed this before you were here. bag it.
No, but I know the difference between suck and Kelly Slater. Saying that you've surfed because you stood up on a foamie is the same as skiing or boarding a groomer, and there's a big difference, to me, between skiing a groomer and "skiing". Surfing has a very long curve between suck and Kelly Slater, esp if you start after age 12. Skiing and Snowboarding don't have that long curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiED
so when is someone gonna ask the question of how many people water ski who ski?
I dunno...Who would be kelly slater's approximate in skiing? Whoever you choose its going to be a helluva stretch from groomer to that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
Why don't more surfers learn how to fly a kite ? Paddling for big waves is one thing, surfing blown out waves sucks. Kitesurfing in waves is a blast, esp if you can already surf well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugY2Nkb6Z60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKcwarcCCdE
Snowboarding IS way easier to get good at than skiing, IMHO. That's why I got some fresh ski gear this year to get back on 2 planks.
If it ever snows this year. Skiied from 5 years old through college, transitioned to boarding and slowing sold off all my ski gear for alpine snowboarding gear. Now, I wanna get back on skiis and see if I can still throw it down.:rolleyes2
definately, and also has to do with the fact that when you go down a ski hill it takes normally several minutes, when you catch a wave it rarely lasts longer then 20 seconds. Thats why alot of people that grow up surfing long point breaks get really good, because they have a long wave to practice each turn on. Also the surfing/waiting+paddling time ratio would be way less than skiing/lifts+traversing time ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by Isis
having surfed for 10 years prior to my first skiing, and 20 years prior to my first boarding, i find the x-over from boarding to surfing and vice versa to be nearly perfect. i only surf once or twice a year now (vacations), and with a usual 50 days of boarding each year, my surfing is better now than it ever was. i don't know if that would be true that if i only skied. boarding has definite weaknesses over skiing when it comes to edge control (steeps/icy/hard) or access (traversing/climbing) but when it comes to powder riding, i prefer the ride that boarding gives.
began skiing
started skateboarding
moved to rollerblading
began ski racing
moved back to skateboarding
continued ski racing
gave up ski racing to sit on my ass atop a half pipe waiting in line on a board
got pretty good on a snowboard
got bored of snowboarding
started surfing
tried ski racing again
did the whole bump racing thing
gave up racing again
began Tele Skiing
the progression has stopped. I will skate, surf and tele till i die.
Kitesurfing, I'm telling ya. Just sumpthin' to do when it's windy.I hear SD has some good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalTele
http://www.westcoastkiteboarding.com/lessons
I was a skier long before becoming a surfer and never had any inclination to try snowboarding. From everything I've heard, it seems rather easy to pick up, so there already I have no desire.
As far as learning curve and what's easier, surfing easily takes that one...then again, it might be harder if you don't live near water your whole life and understand the way a wave travels, how it breaks, and how to predict it's path. But skiing is likely the harder to master. You might be able to // after a day or two, but are you going to be able to straightline moguls and ski 40-degree glades right away?
What is the point of arguing that snowboarding sucks because it's too easy? I haven't heard anyone diss the onset of fat skis or spatulas because they make skiing easier. Snowboarding in powder was easier than skiing, skiing had to progress or no one on two planks would ever get to the fingers untracked (Squallywood v.1).
So turns, jumps, powder, whatever, get easier on a snowboard. That just means you go bigger sooner. You can spin, go off-axis off cliffs sooner. Sweet. If you don't want to do anything more impressive, then don't. And bagging on side-slipping snowboarders is weak; plenty of skiers can't make turns on steeps either, they either take their skis off or they just rocket out-of-control and send cougars out on life flights.
I can think of two reasons people complain about things being too easy. Some paddle-in surfers at mavericks don't like straps and tow-in because it makes it too easy to catch waves earlier, same for short boarders ragging on long-boarders. Resource allocation problem.
In river kayaking I see people get into other crafts, C1, raft, striding, river board-surfing, because they've hucked as big in a kayak as they're willing. So something harder means you don't have to push yourself into a situation that's more dangerous than you're comfortable with. Instead of hucking 50-80 feet, you can get your thrils on 20 or less. Balls/risk aversity problem.
Exhibit A:
Surfing-influenced skiing
http://www.royalambassadorapts.com/skier666/Ben_022.jpg
http://www.maui.net/~sevsurf/Paintin...2/TheSlash.jpg