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wow. what a retard
These are NOT people I want to boat with.:nonono2:
fixed it for ya...Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatch
I lost track of the stupid mistakes these people made. Signals, nah! More fun to land on our friends! Have someone in the group actually know how to use a throw rope, why? Keep rescuers from endangering themselves, huh?
Basic skills and Rescue III for Xmas?
HOly shite! The weird thing is, I would figure that for that to be that retentive.....that was no good.
Yeh, the guy went for the full spin cycle.
The group seemed unprepared and under skilled.
Hahahaha now that it's over and they all survived (but what about the 'rescuer who fell in at the very end???) I can laugh at those fucking jackasses.
"Hey Dwight, Vern is getting FUCKING DESTROYED in the hole, why don't you intentionally go in there, too?"
Nice. I love the dropping ontop of each other - that shit's just plain professional :D
Their other video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xolOzOFV5NI
edg
Wow, what a bunch of douches. Hmmm....lets go boat a drop that strangely resembles the hydraulics of a low head dam, and then we'll go creeking on little pieces of foam. Morons.
At least the tunes where good.:eek:
ummm wow.
Darwin to the rescue.
tards
ok, I'll say it again
tards
all i can say is :eek: what the fuck were they thinking?!?!?
incredible video but jeez what a bunch of monday morning QBs you guys are.
first off: hand signals are great but that drop was big enough that the upper river boaters probably couldnt see the down river guys
second: safety isnt always set up to communicate upriver and it does look like they had safety set (guy roped in and upstream rescuer)
thirdly: not every rescue goes as smoothly as in your classes
finally: doesnt look anything like a lowhead damn and the hole appears to be smiling which generally means a kicker
obviously they should practice with their ropes and learn when to use them
conclusion: those guys had safety set and made a valiant effort including acting quickly and used a multiple approach.....sometimes thats all you can ask for in fellow boaters.
then again throwing your paddle may not be the best move.....
Dude, look at them standing on the lip. If you have the forethought to set up video, it should be pretty fucking easy to make sure no one drops in on top of somebody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
Secondly, that hole is a CLASSIC low head dam style hydraulic.
Come on...admit it...which one is you? :)
Serious? Since it's Monday morning...Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
1-The upper guy should get the go ahead from the videographer before dropping, he can see both. He could even use hand signals.
2-It should be. If not, maybe rethink it.
3-Maybe the QB'ing didn't come from classes, maybe from practical use. Some of us are out running stuff and that is where the criticism is coming from.
4-Dude, that hole is perpendicular accross the river and is a text-book low head. Downriver --> ( = smiley, lets you downriver out the edges. ) = frowny and you can get fuct. | = low head damn and you can also get fuct.
And yeah, they need some rope practice.
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Originally Posted by edg
river boarding is to kayaking as fruit booting is to skate boarding
alright i'll bite
1-He may have already been committed, peel in /peel out patterns, look at how quickly he follows, maybe the idea was to film airforce style dropping.
2-you've never run something long or with big vert drops cause safety isn't always set for communication, more times than not its set for rescue not to give hand signals.
3-so once the guy was getting worked: what would you have done? lets say you're a paddler in your boat down stream. ideally of course because once the SH*t hits the fan, everything changes. I've been everything from a lifeguard to a swift water rescue team member, by the book goes out the door half the time, you learn from your mistakes and mistakes of others, you train and use the techniques your taught but sometimes its adrenaline and instinct that means the difference. plus the class reference was in response to an above post.
4-i still contend its smiling plus two large eddies on either side, and its a much nastier hydraulic than it first appears.
I've seen much worse swims and much more helpless situations, i've also seen everyone in a party freeze, which none of these guys did. a good analogy: sloppy CPR is better than no effort, ask any paramedic....
Game ON!! :FIREdevil
1) For fucks sake, if there is someone shooting video, you can do hand signals. They aren't that complicated. You got the stick your arm out stop and the tap your head go. It's pool drop, there is a huge eddy at the lip. They were NOT blue angeling that shit, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
2) Whatever. Remind me not to boat with you.
3) Learn to use a rope...but it probably wouldn't have helped this guy. What I WOULDN"T have done is let somebody drop in on the guy.
4) Your water reading skills obviously suck. :the_finge
1- the guy shooting vid is quite a ways from the river. two guys on the river right bank are in street clothes so you can't assume they are safety. one roped in guy half way down the drop...he is below being seen by anyone above. so who's doing hand signals?
2- you don't have an educated response?....exactly
3- so your saying that you wouldn't have done anything? nice, glad to know you have your pussy fully intact
4- can you count to two? yes two large eddies. do you know the difference between convex and concave? the only additional water reading skills i need is the ability to read the wetness running through your mom's panties when i walk in the room........
Wow, I wonder if I would have drowned after getting recirced that long. :eek:
One thing is for certain- that pourover is extremely flat with a tight seam, maybe even frowning slightly- but it sure as hell aint smiling..
No, open canoeing would be the equivalent of fruit booting... riverboarding would be the equivalent of extreme walking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
Keep proving your wrongness. It's hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
Two calm eddies right next to a tall drop usually mean "BAD HOLE" with a super flat recirculation. Turbulence is a GOOD sign, not a bad one. And, as far as I can tell, that drop is neither convex nor concave. It is flat, and it is CLEARLY not flushing. Just ask the fucking doorknob who got worked in there for over 2 minutes.
Or, keep believing it was totally benign and people get worked in there for no reason. :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2
back with the monday morning QB......
you're right its not flushing, i never said it was......i said it doesn't look as nasty as it turned out to be.
How many sets of 'two calm eddies right next to a tall drop' where it doesn't mean a "BAD HOLE" would you like me to show you pics of? seriously 5? 10?
some of the best boaters in the world have died in rivers over the last few years......would you like to monday morning their decisions too? I keep forgeting how the experts always come out of the wood work after its over.
these guys in the vid made the decision to run it, set up safety and.....they also made the split decisions on how to attempt a rescue.....a few of the guys got worked in the process....guess what? kayaking isn't the safest of sports when the limits are being pushed......sorry to end your day dream......
-aaron
p.s. i probably would have done things differently then they did. then again i don't know the experience level or group dynamics of their posse....so i chose not to bash............
Hmmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
First, please explain how they set up safety. Looks to me like they set up a videographer who happened to have a throw rope they were not especially good with. I don't recall anyone downstream. What was their "safety" gonna do, haul them up through the hole after they tangled themselves up?
This was not pushing the limits. It was people being clueless. There is a difference. Yeah, anyone and any team can screw up. Fine. Just call it what it is though.
Exactly right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by spindrift
Some of my thoughts are
1 This guy seems to be a habitual paddle tosser :rolleyes: ( he did it earlier in the flic as well). You better be prepared to get a beatdown if your doing quasi "hero" moves like that. Paddle tossing is kin to salad tossing:the_finge
2 There is NO excuse to have the guy dropping in on him. you gotta figure not only was the roped video guy able to see the whole picture the person shooting the flic we are watching was able to see the whole thing as well. AND the push and eddies above looked as though there would have been no prob stopping the next boat from peeling out to drop.
3 WTF was the guy going to do sliding down into the hole:eek: ? I cant tell if he was roped or not (prob not because he ran over to edge quickly and slid down) Not the greatest thing because if a hole is retentive and powerful enough to hold a swimmer and cartwheel a creekboat in it WTF is another body going to do in there.
Things like this happen But just learn from it and like was said before dont be clueless!
Holy Shit!.... That's not what the sales guy at LL Bean said would happen... Seriously, as a complete beginner, that is some sobering footage. I had no idea such a "small" fall would be able to do that! This should be required viewing by anyone entering the sport. It's given me a whole new fear and respect for the river, and I'll be sure to paddle carefully!
One question, though.... is there anyway to self rescue with or without the paddle... dive deep and push off rocks? Swim to the side? or is it just too powerful? (What about a CO 2 loaded vest like those for scuba... In case of an emergancy, pull rip cord and inflate?) Thanks for humoring my newbie questions.
In regards to self-rescue, I've been taught that you might have a chance to escape the hole by diving and trying to swim under the upstream current. That did not look like a fun swim and regardless of how many rescuers there might be, this stunt sure as hell is not something I will be trying anytime.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy
Swimming anywhere on the surface is usually a waste of energy, you most likely won't get anywhere. Your best best *if possible* is to dive deep in the hole and push of the boulder or wall creating the hydraulic or pull yourself along the bottom if there are rocks to grab onto. I'm thinkin that any type of inflated device attached to you is going to make you better hole bait.
jesus christ, that was scary to watch.:eek: and wrong on so many levels. i don't know if I could have made it out of that hole- a sobering thought.:confused: