I know i'm inviting this, but really, what's with all the hatin' towards Marker. I've been on them for 16 yrs and never a problem on any type of terrain from coast to coast! I want hard proof to back up your slackadasical comments: ie- pics
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I know i'm inviting this, but really, what's with all the hatin' towards Marker. I've been on them for 16 yrs and never a problem on any type of terrain from coast to coast! I want hard proof to back up your slackadasical comments: ie- pics
I just use industrial rubber bands.
Try riding out a back seat landing
Pics of a prerelease?Quote:
Originally Posted by beb42000
who has that sweet aerial marker out video posted a couple weeks ago..
Somebody here has a video of a Marker prerelease causing a shoulder injury, just skiing along casually on a groomer. The video is posted somewhere here on the site.
Markers, need I say more....
http://my.break.com/Content/ViewCont...ak.com%2f78374
Word.........I've been injured a few times due to wipe outs(riding out back seat landings) caused by my ski blowing off. I've only had one pair of Markers (M44RR's) that was around 15 yrs ago and I will never use them again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clack
i'll second the fact that markers suck. was out in jackson hole and slid down an entire run after my crap bindings released.
Raced on Markers growing up, so I too had that early and naive attachment to the red and white bindings...
But I stopped after I noticed that, for no apparent reason, I could start kicking one of my skis off with the din +2 for my weight. Just lift the ski of the snow, kick, and boop! gone. From that experience, I'd just say they don't have the lifespan that a 50+ day season requires...That was 7 years ago. Since then I've preferred the reliability of my Freerides. (!)
Markers suck balls. I used to break my MRR's every week in slalom training. Every week, Sports Page, my shop back home in NY would replace them out of their stock.
Sports Page = RAD
Marker = SUCK
Two words: Vertical Release...(the upward release of the toe)
It may save your knee, but don't try to fight your way out of the back seat or land back or that ski will shoot off like a rocket. Salomon's do not vertical release. On Atomic's you have the option with the yurn of the screw. Marker's have vertical release and you can't turn it off = SUCK.
And easy on the ess var's, who said they suck? Atomic's (evolved from ess var) are still way better then Markers...
ESS VAR > MARKER
GEZE > MARKER
ESS VAR = ATOMIC
GEZE = LOOK/ROSSI
Geze designed and built the toe that Look uses on all their bindings. Plus they even used a Look-ish heelpiece.
I rocked ESS bindings for many, many years without any problems. They didn't have any diagonal release or anything else fancy, but they worked as well as anything else from the 80s.
Low elastic travel = less retention, more injuries.
I was skiing with a ripper, ex-racer chick one time. We were coming down this groomer and when I passed her, my left ski hit some of the plow debris on the side of the run. I was standing straight up and my left ski (M48 Racing) decided to take a walk into the woods. I blew up and the girl laughed. She said she'd never seen someone eat shit so hard before. Thanks Marker.:cussing:
I loved my Gezes - If I could find a shop that will touch them I'd mount them on my current skis!
And just to think, you were so close to getting laid. Stupid Markers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SponsoredByDuctTape
Skiing Markers = No sex with hot ex-racer girl. Can I make it any more clear?
And that's the final nail in the Marker coffin right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FigureEleven
They're pretty cool I guess if you like your skis popping off.
:redface:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnXSo...ch=jeff%20bean
Marker release at its best...
Not sure that Bean was on Markers, since Aerialists land in the back seat pretty much every time and the ski ejections would get old.
The Marker toe design is much more prone to prerelease than Look or Salomon. Ther elasticity of the markers is nowhere near that of the others. I notice this when I test for elasticity when I mount new bindings. Something about the design makes it hard for the boot to return to the neutral pstion after a sharp blow.
Actually it's three words: Full Spectrum Release. Up at Irwin the guides (many years ago) named a small huck Full Spectrum because clients on their stock pow boards would almost always pre-release from the toe upon landing. Why would a binding maker design something that releases with upward pressure on the toe piece? Sideways pressure, of course, but pure upward pull usually indicates recovery is imminent. Never understood that design.
you want proof? try the search function. MARKERS ARE NOT FOR AGGRESSIVE SKIING. Their pros only ski their race binders modified with the metal bar across the toe. We hate them because we have all pre released at some point and only come away with horrifying stories of injuries or near injuries directly caused by their shitty inferior products.
Mine was at a demo day and when i got done with my first run i almost beat the rep with the ski i was so pissed.
Raced on MRR's for many, many years & never had a single problem with them. Had several pairs other pairs of Markers as well, and can't think of a SINGLE pre-release.
Maybe racing & moguls aren't "aggressive" enough. Shit, I should hucked some 80 footers to test 'em out. Oh well.
Interesting ... not one "Tech Talk Jong". Good discussion on Markers. I have a wonderful scar on my Right shoulder thanks to a Marker pre release and resulting anterior sub luxation and rotator injury. That was on stock twin cam M51's. Even with that issue binding the green spring or race stock bindings did not have twin cam or, as mentioned upward release. The current Marker toes seem to be considerably less prone to pre release. Still, I prefer Salomon S 914 or 916's.
Dude. The upward releasing toe didn't come out 'til 91, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by EPSkis
I think a good portion of Marker hate comes from the early days of the full spectrum release.... The "logic" toe piece or whatever it was. When it first came out, if your bindings were set on, say, 10 then the upward release was only 6 or something much less. I don't believe that is the case anymore. I had a pair of the Logic's back in '97 or so and they absolutely DID pre release. Even though I get deals through V/T/M, the next year I switched to Salomon. I never really warmed up to them either. Never liked the toe piece wings and height adjustment. They always seemed to get sloppy.
When the 1400 series came out, I switched back to Marker and haven't had any problems. I have a couple of pairs of 1800's too, which are the only ones I really trust for a few seasons of use. The 1400's work great for at least 80-100 days, but the 1800's are bombproof, and DON'T have any upward release at the toe.
As for "do a search, Markers are not for agressive skiing" Give me a freakin break..... I wanna ski with some of you rock stars that can't seem to stay in Markers. Maybe I just need to re-evaluate what is considered "aggressive skiing", but I doubt it.
By the way, the aerial dude whose skis flew off..... Jeff Bean, was on P18's.
There's a clip in the movie where they show him finishing a Skier-X race, throwing the goggles and kicking off the ski. I had always wondered how he did that and then began to think with this thread "hey... maybe he had markers..." He was spancered by marker at one point so it seems to make sense. Can you do that with other binders? Doesn't seem like... Was it some fancy McConkey trick, or is it because of the Markers?
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Originally Posted by Evil E
If it was the same rep that I am thinking of, that would not be hard to do.
I know a promising junior racer who skis Marker's 18-spring binders and had prerelease issues with them at 17 DIN. The kid is 5'6" and 135lbs!
My hatred for Markers burns deep inside my soul.
No, in all fairness, any binding will do that. But still, Markers gargle balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Gosey
you guys should get some proper bindings that just don't release.
I just fell off the chair after watching the "Mr. Bean Ski Ejection Show". Dude, you are in the olympics remember???
I have a pair of ESS VAR's and they kick ass. :fuckyou:
My old bindings that my wife currently grooms the cordory on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdog
Note to self: Buy new bindings for wife.
It's not just the toe piece. The design of the heel piece directs more pressure forward, whch reduces the threshhold of tolerance in the toe piece. Alas, pre-release is really a release at the right limit. It's a design flaw from the heel and the two working together, not the toe alone, which was actually a good design ten+ yrs ago.
Check out other bindings with vertical toe release. They don't have the same issues as the Marker. The old Geze and Look bindings, the new Look/Rossi updated turntables, and perhaps even the new Look/Rossi without the turntables...the pressure of the rear binding is more downward than forward, holding the boot to the ski, not cramming it forward into the toe piece.
I raced on Markers back in the day and blame my first ACL on them. I immediately switched to Looks on the advice of my surgeon and still use Look/Rossi bindings. Never had a binding issue since. I don't even think about bindings when skiing, which is how it is supposed to be.
Yes...Markers suck.
You blame your first acl on them??? Let me get this straight..... do they pre-release or not release at all? Did you blow an acl on a pre-release? Are surgeons the new ski equipment experts? I notice no one has responded to the fact that the double aerial ejection was look p18's.
No wonder you like the Roundhouse/Chalet. :nonono2:Quote:
Originally Posted by beb42000
Uhhh...I don't know about you, but I'm a dentist.Quote:
Originally Posted by yooper