Bout time for some more Solitude Stoke

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03-01-2006, 02:08 PM
grizzle6

Bout time for some more Solitude Stoke

Wow--it got warm quickly today, but the north facing stuff was money. Managed to get some south facing shots before it got too mucked up. The skier is Guy Morneault. Solid skier and great guy. Enjoy.

http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54116.jpg

http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54112.jpg

The kick ass shot that almost was--I just barely missed guy on this one. It's still a decent shot, but geeeeeeez, if only I'd gotten him fully in the frame!!
http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54114.jpg

So we tried it again, this time with Guy coming straight at me.
http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54111.jpg

This shot has some good sunrise pow morning potential
http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54115.jpg

Only at Solitude--10:30, in-bounds, and not a single track. Amen.
http://www.biglines.com/photos/norma...ines_54113.jpg
03-01-2006, 02:10 PM
MacDaddy

God Bless you!!!
03-01-2006, 02:11 PM
stonedhero

nice pics dude

im getting excited

i get to see snow for the first time in 3 years!!!!
03-01-2006, 02:22 PM
BLOODSWEATSTEEL

Niiiiiiice. Good stoke mang!
03-01-2006, 03:26 PM
Crinkle

oh yeah, nice. wow the north facing stuff is looking good
03-01-2006, 04:00 PM
Tippster

Yeeeeah.... glad I missed that by a week.....
03-01-2006, 04:40 PM
girlski0912

Great shots Griz! Makes me remember why I love Soli so much...esp the fresh tracks shot. <<SIGH>>
03-01-2006, 04:41 PM
stonedhero

what camera do you use?!?!?!
03-01-2006, 04:49 PM
Tippster

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedhero

what camera do you use?!?!?!

Please please please tell me you're kidding. PLEASE.
03-01-2006, 04:51 PM
Tyrone Shoelaces

BEAUTIFULK!
03-01-2006, 04:52 PM
72Twenty

Yeah - what's with the June weather?!?!? Last night at 9 pm it was 52 degrees and RAINING here in Laramie. It's FEBRUARY and I live above 7,000 FEET!!! WTF?!?!?!

Sweet photos. I really dig the contrast. :D
03-01-2006, 04:52 PM
stonedhero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippster

Please please please tell me you're kidding. PLEASE.

oh dude, im sorry

i dont know the guy

or have much knowledge of his possesions

i also dont own a camera but am looking into one

he was able to capture really good action shots with wonderful clarity

so with your permission i will ask

What kind of camera do you have?
03-01-2006, 04:54 PM
ole2planker

Look at his signature in his message, buddy.
03-01-2006, 04:56 PM
72Twenty

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedhero

oh dude, im sorry

i dont know the guy

or have much knowledge of his possesions

i also dont own a camera but am looking into one

he was able to capture really good action shots with wonderful clarity

so with your permission i will ask

What kind of camera do you have?

Do you like gardening? :D
03-01-2006, 04:57 PM
stonedhero

EOS 20D?

see im used to cameras that say "DISPOSABLE" on the side

im guess i am not hip enough with all the camera brands to know this kind of stuff

i apologize?
03-01-2006, 04:57 PM
stonedhero

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72Twenty

Do you like gardening? :D

the garden of life ;-)
03-01-2006, 04:59 PM
72Twenty

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedhero

the garden of life ;-)

I dig it. ;)
03-01-2006, 05:00 PM
stonedhero

k just looked up the EOS 20D

you gotta be fucking nuts man

one of em was for 1,399 and i bet you spent more than that (accesories)

i would take 1000 pictures a day with a camera that cost that much

i will stick with polaroid mainly because they develop on the spot

word
03-01-2006, 05:03 PM
alpinepronghorn

Sweet mid-week stoke, Griz. That first shot is the real deal...
03-01-2006, 05:21 PM
72Twenty

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedhero

k just looked up the EOS 20D

you gotta be fucking nuts man

one of em was for 1,399 and i bet you spent more than that (accesories)

i would take 1000 pictures a day with a camera that cost that much

i will stick with polaroid mainly because they develop on the spot

word

What about a digital if you are looking for a camera to step up from disposable but not looking to spend an insane amount? I know very little about cameras, but I have a nice digital that went for around $300 at most "department stores" and I am happy with it for general pictures I like to share with friends. Just my .02
03-01-2006, 05:24 PM
grizzle6

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedhero

k just looked up the EOS 20D

you gotta be fucking nuts man

one of em was for 1,399 and i bet you spent more than that (accesories)

i would take 1000 pictures a day with a camera that cost that much

i will stick with polaroid mainly because they develop on the spot

word

I'm not nuts. But I've got em'. See here-- :rolleyes: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=47760
03-01-2006, 05:38 PM
bio-smear

Ha! Grizzle you are the man. I really like the head on shot with Guy, lots of light behind him illuminating the snow spray.

How do you get those frozen-in-air-crisp-flying-snow shots? I tried running about 1/800 - 1/1000th with auto aperature and couldn't quite freeze it. I think the problem is that I was panning with the subject to keep him crisp, but you'd think that quick a shutter speed would do the trick.

Are those Atua's Guy is on? edit- nevermind they look like BS 8.6's.
03-01-2006, 05:38 PM
stonedhero

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72Twenty

What about a digital if you are looking for a camera to step up from disposable but not looking to spend an insane amount? I know very little about cameras, but I have a nice digital that went for around $300 at most "department stores" and I am happy with it for general pictures I like to share with friends. Just my .02

i would like one but the problems i dont like is

instant picture( they do that gay 2 seconds flash thing)

the ones at best buy ect are all a little exspensive and i know ther are better deal online

any kick in the right direction would be appreciated
03-01-2006, 05:40 PM
stonedhero

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzle6

I'm not nuts. But I've got em'. See here-- :rolleyes: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=47760

congrats dude! :yourock:

i bet your child will be one amazing yound rider (with lots of photo backup to prove it)
03-01-2006, 05:46 PM
grizzle6

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-smear

Ha! Grizzle you are the man. I really like the head on shot with Guy, lots of light behind him illuminating the snow spray.

How do you get those frozen-in-air-crisp-flying-snow shots? I tried running about 1/800 - 1/1000th with auto aperature and couldn't quite freeze it. I think the problem is that I was panning with the subject to keep him crisp, but you'd think that quick a shutter speed would do the trick.

Are those Atua's Guy is on? edit- nevermind they look like BS 8.6's.

Bio--
I posted this in answer to a similar question several weeks ago. It should help. And yes--those are next year's atua's he's on.

I've found the the Auto WB setting with my camera does an accurate job. I do carry a grey card with me if for some reason I want to set it manually. I find that no less than 1/1000 exposure will do for skiing. Many times, depending on how fast the skier is going, how you're shooting it, etc. it might need to be more. Being primarily a scenic photographer, I practically always shoot in my Av mode (Aperture priority) and then I'll get the most depth of field I can without going below 1/1000 sec. Obviously, the larger your aperture, the more margin for error you've got on your focus.

The #1 most important thing (at least for me) for action shooting is tack sharp focus, so whether you're shooting a one turn wonder, or just trying to follow your subject and shoot, I suggest pre-focusing on 1 or 2 turns. Let the skier ski a natural line, but tell them where you want them to go. They don't have to know which turns you're shooting. Many times it works better that way. If they're hitting an air, remember that, depending on which angle you're shooting it from, you likely will not have the skier in focus the entire air. Pick the spot that you think will be the climax of the air--whether it be takeoff, midway into the air, etc. If you can't focus on "mid-air", gauge the distance to it and pick an object at similar distance to focus on, or use your camera's focusing distance (located on your lens, sorry to be obvious) and guess the distance accordingly. With practice, you'll get pretty damn accurate.

On rare occasions I'll use my autofocus. Canon's AI Servo mode is fairly accurate, but I just don't trust it entirely. I know many do--I just need more practice.

Anyway--that's just my .02. I'm sure there are many other photogs on here that could provide valuable insight as well.
03-01-2006, 05:55 PM
Trackhead

Quote:

but tell them where you want them to go. They don't have to know which turns you're shooting. Many times it works better that way.

In other words, make them YOUR BITCH! YOU ARE THE PUPPET MASTER!:D

Nice pics again Griz. You've certainly brought some great stoke here this year!
03-01-2006, 05:59 PM
bio-smear

Thanks for the tips. If, on the offchance we get any sun this weekend while I'm out, I'm going to try some of that. I'm not shooting with an SLR, but a Powershot A80, so I pretty much have to spot focus, and hold the shutter release half way down to get continuous auto(re)focus. The action/continuous drive mode is ok, it only shoots like 5 or 6 frames before it has to dump them to the card. I figure somewhere in there will be a good shot. The shot interval though is pretty long, like 1 second.

With your E20D, can you set a shutter lower threshold while in Av mode? Or did you mean Tv mode so you can force it to use 1/1000 or above and auto aperture?

What ISO speed are you emulating? I don't really have that much experience shooting action in snow, so I'm wondering how the increased reflected light changes film speed requirements.

One of these days I'll step up to a semi-pro body and some quality glass, but for now I can abuse the Powershot and still hone my skills. The hard part is getting cooperative skiers with enough ego to want a photo of themselves so bad that they'll wait for you dicking around with settings while the fresh gets poached.
03-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Tippster

AV= "Aperture Variable" where you can lock in a shutter speed and the meter determines and sets the appropriate aperture (f-stop) for the scene.

TV = "Time Variable" where those parameters are reversed; you pick the aperture (usually for aesthetic effect - mainly depth of field) and the camera sets the corresponding exposure time (shutter speed.)

The rule of thumb is the larger the F-stop number, the smaller the aperture (less light) and the greater the depth of field. The smaller the F-stop your lens is rated the "faster" it is, because it will transmit more light, thus allowing a faster shutter speed. Those big ass lenses you see the pros use have just about the same focal range as a "normal" lens, but they'll shoot at f2.8 at 500mm for example, whereas yours might be 5.6 if you're lucky -- that's 2 stops (or 4x the shutter speed) slower than the pros. That's what that big ass element at the front enables.

I have the Canon A85 and beyond selecting a set shutter speed you're really kinda fucked, because the Auto Focus cannot be shut off (in a workable fashion.) Most Point & Shoot digicams are like this. The great thing about Digi-SLR's are the lenses (Manual Focus and/or the Autofocus speed) and the cache/write speeds. The chips are just about the same these days.
03-01-2006, 09:31 PM
midget

You can shoot at less than 1/500 sec if the subject is coming at you and not moving laterly very quickly. With quick lateral or vertical (ie HUCKING) movement, 1/1000 or greater is required depending on how much the subject (photo slutting skier) is filling the frame. It's more of a rule of thumb, but shutter speed and accurate focusing will only do you as good as the lenses and lighting you chose.
03-01-2006, 09:47 PM
BakerBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by bio-smear

Are those Atua's Guy is on? edit- nevermind they look like BS 8.6's.

Those are next year's Atua's and next year's Fischer X17 bindings, and this years Fischer MX Pro boots.
03-01-2006, 09:55 PM
Powdurr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippster

AV= "Aperture Variable" where you can lock in a shutter speed and the meter determines and sets the appropriate aperture (f-stop) for the scene.

TV = "Time Variable" where those parameters are reversed; you pick the aperture (usually for aesthetic effect - mainly depth of field) and the camera sets the corresponding exposure time (shutter speed.)

The rule of thumb is the larger the F-stop number, the smaller the aperture (less light) and the greater the depth of field. The smaller the F-stop your lens is rated the "faster" it is, because it will transmit more light, thus allowing a faster shutter speed. Those big ass lenses you see the pros use have just about the same focal range as a "normal" lens, but they'll shoot at f2.8 at 500mm for example, whereas yours might be 5.6 if you're lucky -- that's 2 stops (or 4x the shutter speed) slower than the pros. That's what that big ass element at the front enables.

I have the Canon A85 and beyond selecting a set shutter speed you're really kinda fucked, because the Auto Focus cannot be shut off (in a workable fashion.) Most Point & Shoot digicams are like this. The great thing about Digi-SLR's are the lenses (Manual Focus and/or the Autofocus speed) and the cache/write speeds. The chips are just about the same these days.

Hmm...maybe with your camera. For most cameras AV(aperture value) = you set the aperture, and the camera selects the proper shutter speed, and TV(time value) = you set the shutter speed, and the camera selects the proper aperture.
03-01-2006, 09:57 PM
Powdurr

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzle6

Bio--
I posted this in answer to a similar question several weeks ago. It should help. And yes--those are next year's atua's he's on.

I've found the the Auto WB setting with my camera does an accurate job. I do carry a grey card with me if for some reason I want to set it manually. I find that no less than 1/1000 exposure will do for skiing. Many times, depending on how fast the skier is going, how you're shooting it, etc. it might need to be more. Being primarily a scenic photographer, I practically always shoot in my Av mode (Aperture priority) and then I'll get the most depth of field I can without going below 1/1000 sec. Obviously, the larger your aperture, the more margin for error you've got on your focus.

The #1 most important thing (at least for me) for action shooting is tack sharp focus, so whether you're shooting a one turn wonder, or just trying to follow your subject and shoot, I suggest pre-focusing on 1 or 2 turns. Let the skier ski a natural line, but tell them where you want them to go. They don't have to know which turns you're shooting. Many times it works better that way. If they're hitting an air, remember that, depending on which angle you're shooting it from, you likely will not have the skier in focus the entire air. Pick the spot that you think will be the climax of the air--whether it be takeoff, midway into the air, etc. If you can't focus on "mid-air", gauge the distance to it and pick an object at similar distance to focus on, or use your camera's focusing distance (located on your lens, sorry to be obvious) and guess the distance accordingly. With practice, you'll get pretty damn accurate.

On rare occasions I'll use my autofocus. Canon's AI Servo mode is fairly accurate, but I just don't trust it entirely. I know many do--I just need more practice.

Anyway--that's just my .02. I'm sure there are many other photogs on here that could provide valuable insight as well.

I'm really liking my EOS 1D MK II's Ai Servo Mode...100% accurate for me so far...and with 8.5fps w/ AI Servo, it's pretty easy to get a tack sharp sequence, at no matter what speed the subject is moving.
03-01-2006, 10:11 PM
Tippster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powdurr

Hmm...maybe with your camera. For most cameras AV(aperture value) = you set the aperture, and the camera selects the proper shutter speed, and TV(time value) = you set the shutter speed, and the camera selects the proper aperture.

DOH - yep, got it exactly backwards. Hmm... probably did the same with the post/smoke crack order.... :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:
03-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Powdurr

Haha ya. Crack before posting can mix things up a bit.
03-01-2006, 10:49 PM
rbtree

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powdurr

I'm really liking my EOS 1D MK II's Ai Servo Mode...100% accurate for me so far...and with 8.5fps w/ AI Servo, it's pretty easy to get a tack sharp sequence, at no matter what speed the subject is moving.

Can't wait to get one! Far and away the best action shooter's DSLR yet!
I've been looking for one on eBay used for under $2500 for months now (one is at $2150 with under 2 hours to go....wish me luck)...and now that my EOS1N was stolen, I have some insurance money to burn....also am getting a 70-200 f/2.8 IS to replace my non IS, and a 24-70 for the stolen 28-70. Plus 2 new 1.4 and 2.x for the 70-200 and my 300 f/2.8. Already bought another 17/40 f/4......
03-01-2006, 10:50 PM
ak_powder_monkey

nice pictures dude!
03-01-2006, 11:17 PM
Powdurr

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbtree

Can't wait to get one! Far and away the best action shooter's DSLR yet!
I've been looking for one on eBay used for under $2500 for months now (one is at $2150 with under 2 hours to go....wish me luck)...and now that my EOS1N was stolen, I have some insurance money to burn....also am getting a 70-200 f/2.8 IS to replace my non IS, and a 24-70 for the stolen 28-70. Plus 2 new 1.4 and 2.x for the 70-200 and my 300 f/2.8. Already bought another 17/40 f/4......

It's a great camera. I got mine used for $2100 in good condition...Give Allen at Allen's Camera an email at Allenscamera at comcast dot com. That's the shop where I got mine from, they usually have a few in. That sucks about your EOS1N. I've been shooting w/ two 1n RS's until I got the MK II recently...I really liked those cameras...Still have em, but I don't know how much film I'll be shooting...maybe still for landscape stuff. Are you selling your non IS 70-200 by any chance?
03-02-2006, 12:18 AM
StormRider

1st – Grizz, great shots! I actually like the third one. It’s not a “typical” ski shot. You do some great work, mang.

2nd – bio-smear, with your A80 you have one advantage – large depth of field. I think the way it works is point and shoots have a combination of small sensors with small lenses closer to the sensors so they have a large depth of field by default. My point is you could pre focus on a spot in the general vicinity of where the skier will be and then fully press the shutter release when they hit the spot. That’s assuming that there is enough light to use f8.0 and 1/1000+s.
Really you’ll have to fully press the shutter release before they hit the spot because of shutter lag, but that’s a whole different topic.

Are there enough photo posts and tips and technique questions to warrant and Photo Phorum? How about a Shooter Shumit?
03-02-2006, 12:33 AM
stump832

I like it when Grizz's shutter goes click-click-click.
03-17-2006, 08:40 AM
rbtree

powdurr,

I just saw your reply. Thanks a bunch, I just emailed allen's.

Uhh, my 70-200 was stolen as well. But I do have an old 70-210 Sigma to unload when I get the new Canon. It is a 2.8, has great optics, but needs to be sent to Sigma and have the autofocus repaired. I also have a 28-70 Sigma that auto focuses, but not as well as the Canon's....

Been shooting lately with my old A2E, and the Sigmas.....barely workable.

I'm tempted to sell my non IS Canon 300 f2.8 in favor of the 120-300 Sigma. Lots of glowing reports about it on various forums....

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