Cambered ski from Hoji
https://4frnt.com/products/nevar
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Cambered ski from Hoji
https://4frnt.com/products/nevar
should've made it 108.. perfect width between the raven and Hoji.
cool ski. im sure some of you will be on it this season look forward to what you have to say
Im pretty sure 4FRNT will sell their entire production run of the Never pretty quickly.
Great idea, but hardly original. Matt at WNDR has been making Hoji-like designs with camber for years, and they rock.
I don’t know Matt, but I guarantee he doesn’t ski like Hoji. Nobody does.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Figured something cambered was in the works last year when they showed Hoji skiing the MSP 107
I I hadn't sworn of skiing and gear hoarding this season, I'd probably be in for a pair... 22m radius and 1820g in a 184cm sounds perfect for a lot of NW skiing in mixed conditions. I think they'd be about 10x more fun than the raven for ripping anything firmer than corn. That said, there will be a trade-off in 3d snow and some of that hoji tip-your-ankles-and-turn, insta pivot magic will be gone.
I'm certainly interested to try Hoji's take on a cambered ski though, hoping it somehow still feels like a hoji ski.
I’ve never skied with Matt but the MSP is/was Matt’s pro model.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenB
Is it really necessary to say that Matt started 4frnt and his WNDR designs are just new building techniques based on 4frnt designs, mainly influenced by Hojis designs? IMO Hoji and Matt have been the best ski designers this century. 4frnt never made a bad ski and has made some of the best skis ever made. The Nevar seems like a wider praxis yeti, which is the best spring touring ski I’ve ever skied. The Nevar seems like it will be a great 1 quiver touring skiQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Cool to see Hoji try something else. It really does look and weigh around what a cambered "intention 104" would. His ski design philosophy and execution is awesome. I've owned two hoji skis over the years and loved both. If I was still in a quiver of 1 mindset this ski would easily end up on my short list. With a second look it kind of reminds me of my dead Steeple 102s... which were my favorite touring ski of all time.
You know Matt was the owner at 4FRNT who made the Renegade with Hoji, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Edit: Looks like someone else got there first
That was sort of . . . my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
Got it. Glad we are all on the same page. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Kinda fun that Matt still has his name on a 4FRNT pro model ("MSP") while he works at WNDR.Quote:
Originally Posted by skisurfmirth
And Julien Regnier still has his name on an Armada ski ("JJ") while he works at Black Crows.
Any others that I'm forgetting?
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FWIW Matt’s not at WNDR anymore - not sure who is anymore for that matter.
Just to put a 4th bullet into this dead horse... as many know, before the Ren, Matt launched the 4FRNT EHP (Eric Hjorleifson Professional), Hoji's first foray into ski design.
Also, the Nevar looks very comparable to Down CD104L - another fave ski here.
I wish 4FRNT would do a lightweight and heavyweight version of this ski - like 1600 gr and 2100 gr in the 184.
Cool ski - not sure if I agree it's a pintail as such, but looks pretty loose. How does 4frnts measure these days? 184 = 182 straight pull?
hm, could you elaborate on this a bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
WNDR kinda let go of everyone Matt, Pep a bunch of people. They now have like 3 people left Xan, Jeremy, and some other person. (According to a touring partner of mine that used to be a sponsored "Friend of WNDR")Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I'm sure this ski is cool, but it feels pretty generic. CD104L, Locator 104 - looks like your average touring ski. Probably a good DD in CO or UT.
Yeah 104 underfoot fairly average rocker lines -8.5 mount point. Seems like a basic mid 100s touring ski. I'm sure it skis well but it certainly isn't something on my radarQuote:
Originally Posted by Backward_Banana
I mean, isn't it pretty much just a Raven for people who want a Raven with some camber? That's not exactly what it is since the profile is changed, but that seems to be what they are targeting.
They only made 120 pairs so I don't think they expect it to be a massive seller.
^^^ pretty different shape vs Raven… ~10mm wider tip and tails, more side cut, much more trad shape in addition to the modest camber
Wrong thread I guess but this is good info. Ya have to wndr what wndr's game plan is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
It looks like a solid ski. Nothing particularly special or standoutish, but solid none the less.
Kinda feels like they could have just done a tour version of the MSP 107. I'm not excited about the Nevar. I'm buying Raven's this year to go with my Ren's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
When I heard that 4Frnt and Hoji were working on a more firm snow oriented ski, I got my hopes up that it would be a mid-90’s waist version of the Raven with a slightly flatter rocker profile. The ski they ended up releasing is cool, and will no doubt be a great option for a lot of folks, but it’s not particularly innovative or exciting.
Yet another reason the HL C90 is one of the coolest touring skis available right now!
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I find it a bit strange that the Nevar lengths are the exact same as the Raven and Hoji (170, 177, 184, 190)?
The Ravens and the Hojis ski short..... eg I like ~180cm length skis and the 184 Hojis and Ravens are perfect.
Would have thought the Nevar lengths would be something more like 174, 180, 187? The effective edges are longer on the 184 Nevar vs 184 Hoji? I know cause it's cambered. Just seems weird that the skis are the exact same lengths, given the different profiles.
Hoji is going live on youtube in an hour to chat all things Nevar if you have any questions about any of his skis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIhNjHXec08
Kc, I like you, but you're not making much sense now. As the Nevar is a cambered ski, it probably, by design, has a longer effective edge -EE- (meaning widest point front to widest point rear) than either of the older hoji designs, which are all heavily tapered, and as such have shorter effective edges. EE as a ski design attribute has very little to do with reverse camber or regular camber, it's a metric, as pointed out in my parenthesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Anyway, the lengths are as 4frnt wants to sell them. A 190s touring ski in a 100s width that can handle rougher snow? Awesome! I know a few people wanting just that, right now.
I'm biased, yes, given my small involvement with the Heritage project, but credit where credit is due. And all. [emoji846]
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Hey Arild,
Haha. Point taken. I get that the effective edge is longer on cambered skis. Which is why I thought a 184 Raven to 184 Nevar sizing was not an apples to apples comparison. But I trust Hoji knows what he’s doing and who his market is.
Here’s a Nevar story from this weekend….
This past Sunday I’m happily skiing down Chunky Choice bumps in packed pow on my Renegades. I stop just before the last pitch beside a guy who I see is skiing 4FRNT Ravens. We have the obligatory 4FRNT chat about how good the Hoji Trinity skis are. He then asks if I’ve heard of Hoji’s new touring ski, the Nevar? I say yup. He says I think it's kind of an opposite Raven with camber. Sure. Then….. just as I’m dropping in to catch up to my buddies he looks at me and says....and oh yeah….”Nevar” is “Raven” spelled backwards. Mind blown.
KC
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Here’s how simpleton-me read that upon release last year— “Hey, the Raven is an incredible touring ski. But some people don’t like reverse camber on firm/icy spring snow above exposure. What if we just added camber?” = a backwards Raven.
Hey— I’m not dissing— I’m still considering buying one. But ya gotta respect artists that can whip up a new design with minimal effort. That’s called being a skilled designer.
I like the shape. Don’t like the carbon stringers. I might be naive. Waiting for more feedback. Will probably order an AM100 instead. My touring requirements are short tours. Will see a CAST. If I was in ATK territory— Nevar makes a bunch of sense.
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Just checking if anyone has jumped on a pair
Anyone bought that ski ? How stiff is it ?
The nevar looks a lot like a 6mm wider WNDR Vital 98
I got a pr. of these in 184. They are pretty much like what others have said on this thread - a solid mid 100's touring ski. I'd call them the stiffer side of medium. They blow through difficult snow, hook up well on firm. I don't have a ton of time on reverse camber skis, but the Nevar being low camber with generous tip and tail rocker makes them feel pretty surfy in pow if you want them to be, or they can be skied more traditionally, driving the front of the boots. I like them, they ski well, but should have gotten the 177. So, I'm selling these with Haute Route 10+ and the Hoji Lock Free Pro skins. Hoji Lock is awesome. Retail on all that is $1598, asking $1000. Skied 12 days, bases are in great shape. Mounted on the line (835mm from tail) for a 317 BSL.
Anyone else? Comparisons to other skis? Biggest regret not getting on a pair this year.
If anyone’s interested I have some new cambered WNDR Vital 100’s 183cm I don’t think I’ll end up mounting I’d sell
I picked up a pair. I echo what others say, good, confidence inspiring skis in the firm that float surprisingly well. My biggest gripe is the weight. Mine in a 184 length are 1850 and 1910 grams. Definetly on the upper bound of acceptable weight for touring skis. I question if they are worth the weight premium over something in the ~1500 - 1600g range with a similar profile
Approx the same "real" weight as a Salomon Echo 106 181 (according to some guy on skimo.co 1870g/ski average) ...I'm tempted to get these (Nevar 184) mounted with an ATK RT11 EVO + Spacer, and a Wayback 179 with a Trofeo for bigger days.I mean the more skis the better, right ?
I just demoed them a few days ago. Store recommended the 184, when I wanted the 190, cuz I was using my Scarpa F1 LTQuote:
Originally Posted by jwe
boots.
I liked them a lot, but I agree, I’m not sure the weight was worth it. I would want a stronger boot for this ski. As it is, I have a ltwt set up, a low tide ltwt set up and a heavy touring set up, so it kinda doesn’t fit.
Absolutely love the tail skin attachment. The shop guys and I were talking about drilling a hole in the tail of our existing skis to mimic the system.