Alright mofo's - here's the skinny 175 cm / 16 m ; something like 126-70-99mm.
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^rc 85 in Austria last week ; looking for something lil zippier. Marshal is game if we can hit a critical mass to commit.
Alright mofo's - here's the skinny 175 cm / 16 m ; something like 126-70-99mm.
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^rc 85 in Austria last week ; looking for something lil zippier. Marshal is game if we can hit a critical mass to commit.
How to win @skitalk.com. [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16] sounds like ludicrous fun.Quote:
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We were asked to not post there :yourock:
Because all the HL skis rip so hard?Quote:
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What's up wit dat? HL has a pretty good following over there. I ordered two pair for next season based on conversations here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
This ski sounds like a cheater GS ski, pretty crowded segment. But I am intrigued...
Hmmm...
What happened there?Quote:
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Wait ... you mean my deep, insightful response has evaporated?!?!?Quote:
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To reiterate: 170-75, R15 would by my preference, but I'm easy ....
Yes, I nuked the thread, but your preference is noted. Ultimately ST is a biz & HL is not part of that synergy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
That said a running tally of interested parties would be sweet. Pls add / adjust:
PB @ 1 pair
irip @ 2+ sets
That was my first impression. HL is insane. Oldies that get updated and are better than the original.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCC
But 70 waist 16m sidecut carver seems to exist already. Unless you just want a better top sheet
What Core Shot said.
But... if this was 5 years ago and I was still on low-angle groomers teaching my kids and needed an entertaining ski for such occasions, I'd definitely be buying an HL version of this ski.
Also, it seems everything HL releases fills a void I didn't know existed, or was waiting for something to fill. Latest example? His fucking sunglasses. I need those in the high alpine glaciers. goggle lenses without the goggle foam.
But as of now the RC85 is appealing but still taking a bit of inner-voice to convince me to buy.
My head--
"I don't really ski like that anymore."
"You would if you had the right ski."
"Are you saying the entire ski industry doesn't make the right carving ski?"
"Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying."
I'll tell you what-- if HL returns me to my nights of arcing under floodlights, and this ski gets a production run, I'll send anyone who pre-orders this 70mm r15-16 a bottle of sake directly from a local distillery here in Yamagata.
And then, that means I'll be ordering either this RC70 or an RC85 for my night lights.
(You see what I did there? I just bribed you to further push me to get back to my roots... which are MN Friday Night Floodlights.)
I’m in. Would pair well with the RC 95 IMO.
Currently:
K1mJ0ngTr1ll's
PB
irip
galjln
Completely fair - here's the differences:Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
a) most 70'sh skis are soft racers that only have one arc
b) most go 76-ish+ and are sluggish
c) most have hostage plates or rails, so a Pivot or STH is out of the question
d) rc85 stoutness in a low tide package is insurance for a season like we just had
e) offers the ability to bring HL to technical as well as freeride skier
f) fills out the HL quiver for many
g) the tail of the RC is proof of concept enough :)
tempted
Hmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
I am intrigued and would like subscription to news letters.
PM RonTele for follow more.
Another fuckin' cultist thread.
Just put them into one, so all of Tech Talk isn't one giant HL circle-jerk.
You know you don’t have to click on them right, right? They all need their individual threads so a person doesn’t have to sift to find info on exact skis.
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Damn. Noticed a post of yours last week. Post number 666. And there’s no 666 in outer space. and now this post #666Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirby
Fack. My mind is blown. What Jedi powers do you have?
Have you considered starting a ski company?
333 might be nice.
It’s like 33-1/3 only closer to 78rpm space odyssey galactic takeoff
Hmmm 78 rpm skis? Cmon HL let’s go!!!!
Re: D - which level of stoutness? The super/comp stout or the production stoutness of the other RC’s?Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
The plan….. would be to press some skis, test & fine tune the stiffness. Obviously, the proto rc85 stoutness would not be ideal. My thinking & a lil more on the genesis of this ski came from the oddity of being in Europe for some technical skiing training and coaching, yet ripping about on my Labs for fun. It hit me that more & more snow pros have a set of 87-105mm Heritage Labs in the car, but have to demo / teach / coach on another brand. I also think we have the unique opportunity to ‘tune’ the ski with binding selection of choice in a manner that doesn’t happen now absent a lot of pulling hostage rails / plates and plugging / dodging holes. There may be some mofo out there that wants center mounted, tech binder on a 70mm ski & while not my jam, HL could make it happen!! I’m thinking of getting 2 sets & going Pivots on one & Strive on another or OG STH steel.Quote:
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I kind of get it but what would really separate these from an eSpeed Supershape? For a ski like this I don’t think a system binding has any real downside
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... unless you're mounting free-heel ...... :cussing:Quote:
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I would be down for a longer version of a skinny ski maybe "ultimate bump ski" or something of that ilk
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191 FL90?Quote:
Originally Posted by bry
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I think that's def another opportunity, was thinking that 70 waist but more like a modern hart F17 maybe 100-70-90 in a 18x
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Go to Colorado Discount Ski and look at the Ogasaka skis.
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Where can I find out more about these? Did my best to search but came up empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
Too bad we deal in Canadian pesosQuote:
Originally Posted by Jongle
https://labaustere.com/collections/max-vent-sunglasses
Duplicate.
Thanks. Still, on sale they’re less than half the price of the Smith Wildcat, even including shipping… I’m pulling the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Current mock ups are red!!
Red is fast.
That said, I'll reiterate that I'm more (and then only kinda-so) intrigued by the RC85. The RC70 is if I truly miss not having a hard snow ski this coming season. And if I do, I'll consider an order next season of the RC85 or 70.
It's been a while. I live in Japan now and hard snow doesn't really happen with lifts.
But, my offer does stand. If you all manage to get a production run of an RC70, I will send those pre-order peeps a bottle of sake from my local. Why? Because I love/appreciate small company innovations that keep the industry at their toes.
Do I think MO can make a carving ski the out-performs a Head in dampness and arc?
No.
Not to be rude, but... It's gonna take a bit to convince me that an HL 70~anything is better than a HEAD ~anything for laying damp trenches.
Those things are like riding magic carpets on railroad tracks.
/Just sayin'.
This is a pretty steep order.
And I agree that I don't know why a flat binding (away from a rail or plate) would be beneficial for a ski this narrow for carving. I would fear a flat binding on a carving ski would have me booting-out.
And, I don't ski moguls. You're on your own with that. That's not even the same conversation, imo. If you are talking a mogul ski, I am 120% out.
It's gonna be hard to beat a Head, homie.
Sitting and thinking about this. I don’t think I would really want or need a 70. I don’t think my ability/style relates to it. I think the RC85 would make more sense but skiing at Alta the RC95 could easily be my most narrow option.
And for these reasons. I’m out. I do hope it comes to life though as I have supreme confidence in MO and his designs.
I’m not in. But to argue for it my main point would be the blossom factory if that’s where it will be made.
Like back in the day (super nobis and legend pro) race room stock solid layups but with more sidecut and more playful.
With brass balls. Winner gets a Cadillac. And maybe steak knives for second place.
These would be made in the Telos factory I believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
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Much truth in this^^^^, especially in a head to head with the big boy carvers. However, I'm strictly a groomer zoomer in CA, often on frozen corduroy, and prefer a good stiff ski under 80 waist/R16. Even in softening frozen, a sub-80 waist works best for me. I'm just naturally curious about any entry in that range - it doesn't have to be better than current offerings, just different. And definitely want a plate/riser on a narrow carver, but it has to be a plate that accepts my binding of choice - there's only one option for me and it doesn't come with any ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
I'm going in with low expectations, suspect they will not work well enough on frozen corduroy, but we shall see.
So this ski is really Irip's brainchild, but based on our converations, the objective isn't to out head head or out volkl volkl. It is to offer something different in the space.
Construction-wise, we can absolutely deliver a ski that is very smooth and precise on edge. Shape and flex pattern-wise, the objective is to make a ski that is far less of a one-trick turnshape pony than the skis on the market currently. I doubt many/any have skied them, but the ~20 year old Salomon Streetracers were remarkable at being far more dynamic, while still having insane edge feel.
In particular, I like the ability to tune the feeling of the ski by selecting binding setup. Want something a bit more round and deep? STH2 16. Want to burl it up a little? Piston plates and Xcomp 18s. etc.
As it was Irip who intro'd me to Blossom in the first place, and was their importer for a long time, I am certain he has explored and tested their skis at length in this space...
Anyhow, here is the CAD render of the footprint Irip is talking about. 126-70-99 & 16.5mR
My $0.02...
I don't want a ski that's locked in to 1 turn shape or radius. I thought Volkl's 3-D turn radius sidecut was marketing bullshit but I can definitely alter turn shape mid-turn without releasing the edge on my Kendos. It's magic. But I was looking for something narrower for the tilted rinks we ski on most of the time in SoVT.
I don't want a ski that requires to be on my A-game (if I ever had one) every turn.
I don't want a ski that has a TR under 15.
I don't want a ski that's sub-70mm underfoot.
That's why I didn't buy a pair of Heads...I put a thread on SkiTalk asking for input with those parameters and all I got was Head (I wish). Seriously, they cannot think over there. They could not fathom why I wouldn't want the Head e-SuperShape (or whatever it is...). Even though that ski absolutely would not fit my desired parameters. Mostly they said I didn't really know what I wanted even though the parameters were spelled out for them.
Thought about the Deacon 72 but Irip thought I would overpower them.
So, if these skis can hit my boxes, I'd definitely be interested.
Welcoming ya'll into my headspace: I think the pendulum has swung a lil too far to the wide side & now has the opportunity to come back. Several seasons ago I designed a ski for (Insert TGR Brand here that shall remain nameless....) and was laughed at. The owner of the company told me that I would ruin his cred if he produced a skinny ski. I offered em 60K to produce a run with the stipulation that I own the mold and product. They could rent the mold from me in the future if the decided to press more. They declined, added 1-2mm to the build & sold out of the ski early in the season. Then I connected with Cyrus from Renoun and got the opportunity to redeisign the Atlas 80 - basic premise was a carvy ski w/ a freeride tip that would not deflect at speed once the piste was cut up. It skis well & delivered as designed - Yet Renoun wants to keep 80mm as the minimum width for now & has experienced a change of ownership. I'm currently doing some stuff with Original Plus - these are premium build Augment / RBVD pedigree skis that do a fantastic railing a la Head / Volkl, yet demand a committed pilot and have a highly prescribed radius.
Enter testing for the rc85, the tail is perfect for hi speed releases & slashes, the shape is refined thanks to MO & it rips! It's just a hair too wide for the technical skiing. Ergo the rc70. I see this ski as the low tide solution & at the same time optimized for being in a crossover boot. I don't really feel like dragging my plug boots out just to tear up groomers. I could see this ski going for pivoty stuff w. an AAAtack or Pivot binding or tossing a plate / lifter for higher edge angles. HL also has the ability to offer production runs of ~10 or so.
Additionally, I'm routinely coaching FIS kids & adults, so I'd like to have HL be showcased when I'm work'n. Think of it as the most un Austrian/Swiss technical ski you can buy!!