2023 PGA

Maybe I missed it, but I didnt' see a 2023 thread. Anyway, what in the actual fuck?

PGA Tour agrees to merge with LIV Golf.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/06/pga-...-liv-golf.html


Said one PGA Tour player reached by ESPN on Tuesday, "No f---ing way."

No shit, no fucking way. My initial reaction is that the PGA kinda hung guys like Rory out there to fight the good fight against LIV and then said in the end, "welp, there's a fuck ton of money to be made here. Maybe these aren't the worst people in the world after all?"

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...nnounce-merger

"what the fuck" was my reaction to this news as well.

It's wild to me how they kept this (whatever this is) quiet. Monahan and the Saudi PIF guy and the DP World Tour guy were all ready to go when CNBC broke the news.

Phil and Brandel Chamblee were going at it in real time and setting up a tbd debate just days ago.

ESPN had no clue, Golf Channel had no clue.

Phil and Brooks are taking victory laps.

Cats and dogs, living together...

Interesting for sure.

It will be nice to have everyone on the same track competing, but I wish Liv had just failed.

Brooks from the top ropes!

https://twitter.com/bkoepka/status/1...190663170?s=46

Turns out it was about money all along and none of the rich fucks running the PGA tour actually gave a single shit about human rights abuses. Shocking.

Everybody has a price, and LIV showed PGA the money.

blood money is still money.

PGA was always a phony non-profit. The way Rory been acting he knew something was up.

I have to feel that the PGA Tour players who stayed loyal were completely blindsided by this and likely feel like they've been punched in the gut.

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Can't wait to hear takes from Tiger, Rory, Jack and everyone else that stuck their necks out on this split in the past year.

All the content you need today:

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New golf will open new marketing opportunities.

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If we get Feherty back that's a win.

Honestly I found the LIV product unwatchable when it was on TV in the clubhouse. Like a Nascar feed on the left with zero flow or tension cause everyone's on the same hole for the day. Jumbled mess.

Does this mean Sergio and Poulter are now eligible for the Ryder Cup?

Where are the outraged homeboys shouting doing business with terrorists

Fucking fools

Suck you it cock suckers


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Where are the outraged homeboys shouting doing business with terrorists

Fucking fools

Suck you it cock suckers


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Interesting take.

I know I personally wouldn't argue with the families of 911 victims (who were the ones yelling the loudest when LIV stopped in New York). Other than that, sure, there's moral relativity everywhere if you look for it.

The hypocrisy is what really surprises me. You can't make the moral argument and then do the very thing you based that moral argument on. I don't think anyone ever faulted the guys who flat out said they were going to LIV for the money, Harold Varner III and David Feherty among them.



Jay Monahan just proved that he could take what was blood money yesterday and turn it into just investment money today; magic!

The guys who defended the Tour and spoke out loudly against LIV for a variety of reasons must be just blindsided by "their" Tour this afternoon. If I were them I'd be drafting union docs in short order. They defended the Company but in the end the Company just threw them under the bus.

Here's a crazy thought: let's all STFU with our uninformed opinions until the actual details come out? While a lot of PGA players definitely feel blindsided, if you don't think they're going to be heavily compensated to balance things out you're crazy. Jay Monahan knows he wouldn't last a day longer in his job.

As a viewer I'm fine with this - having LIV bullshit (which has been unwatchable) and diluted PGA fields has kind of sucked this season. While the Saudi money always felt gross, I understood it, I just drew the line at the players who were literally spouting Saudi propaganda. Fuck those guys (DJ, Cam Smith, Brooks never did for the record).

Not making the cut takes on new meaning when Bone Saws are involved

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Here's a crazy thought: let's all STFU with our uninformed opinions until the actual details come out?

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NO.

details will iron out but PGA still took ALOT of money from a regime they shit talked for a year

So I read that as part of the merger, the PGA will control holes 1-8 and 12-18.


The Saudis do 9-11....

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Heh, was just coming here to post the same joke

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Heh.

not my joke obv..
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As the Great Oshea Jackson Opined " life aint nothing but bitches & Money " PGA gets paid and gets many good golfers back full time so they get better ratings, Saudi gets to launder more blood & oil Money and feel good doing it.

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Heh.

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Somewhere near the top of the list of things that crossed my mind when I heard the story today was oh, Monaghan is going to absolutely ensure that Norman is not a part of any of this going forward.

How can the tour division expect to retain non-profit status?

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Originally Posted by 4matic

How can the tour division expect to retain non-profit status?

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It's not. It's transmogrifying into a for-profit entity.

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The guys who defended the Tour and spoke out loudly against LIV for a variety of reasons must be just blindsided by "their" Tour this afternoon. If I were them I'd be drafting union docs in short order. They defended the Company but in the end the Company just threw them under the bus.

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This.

The unity ruse helped bottom the 100 in pga tour status so there’s that. Had everyone gone to liv they might have been out of luck.

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It's not. It's transmogrifying into a for-profit entity.

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the PGA said, adding that the PGA will retain its not-for-profit, tax-exempt status.

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the PGA said, adding that the PGA will retain its not-for-profit, tax-exempt status.

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from ESPN: "In a statement, the circuits said the parties have signed an agreement that "combines PIF's golf-related commercial businesses and rights (including LIV Golf) with the commercial businesses and rights of the PGA Tour and DP World Tour into a new, collectively owned, for-profit entity to ensure that all stakeholders benefit from a model that delivers maximum excitement and competition among the game's best players.""

But yes, the article also says "The PGA Tour will remain a 501(c)(6) tax-exempt organization, according to the release, and will retain oversight of the sanctioning of events, administration of competition and rules."

No commercials on golf channel for quite a while. Are they giving sponsors a chance to evaluate implications?

4Matic,

It’s possible for a member of an entity (in this case likely a DE LLC joint venture between the three tours) to be a non-profit corporation. So long as that entity continues to comply with the code they keep the status. Did you know the NFL is a non-profit as well?

The Tour is not a 501(c)(3) charitable entity, it’s a 501(c)(6) acting and charitably supporting a trade organization - the players and tour apparatus.

I think your issue is with the tax code, not the Tour.

PGA just spit on the graves of every soldier that died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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4Matic,

It’s possible for a member of an entity (in this case likely a DE LLC joint venture between the three tours) to be a non-profit corporation. So long as that entity continues to comply with the code they keep the status. Did you know the NFL is a non-profit as well?

The Tour is not a 501(c)(3) charitable entity, it’s a 501(c)(6) acting and charitably supporting a trade organization - the players and tour apparatus.

I think your issue is with the tax code, not the Tour.

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Thanks. Yes. Tax code

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PGA just spit on the graves of every soldier that died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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You could say that about buying a Japanese or German car. Some still do.

On the green, one 5 footer to clinch The Masters Green Jacket.. What's that putter his caddy is handing him?? It looks like a....................





BONE SAW!:the_finge

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Jay Monahan, sheeeesh. First ballot HoF hypocrite, they must have paid him a king's ransom to get this deal done.

Cost ‘em an arm and a leg?

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Jay Monahan, sheeeesh. First ballot HoF hypocrite, they must have paid him a king's ransom to get this deal done.

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That and also I am sure there was some huge pressure from sponsors, players, and affiliates over the emails, etc that would come out if the legal battles went forward.
Everybody gets paid and scawy stuff goes away. Its professional sports! the paying public, especially Americans dont care about the morality, just entertain us with cool stuff we wish we could do ( see NFL all, NCAA most, etc)

Apparently they just had a 1.5hr players meeting with Monahan at the RBC Canadian Open that was described by one attendee as “very intense” and that the sense of it was “betrayal” and “union talk was floated as the Tour didn’t have the players best interest” <— called it.

I can only imagine the shit that was said to Monahan.


The statement released by the 9/11 Families was scathing.

What a slimeball.