Duno if anyone has seen it yet, a review/ product release from NSMB
https://nsmb.com/articles/sram-eagle...tealth-brakes/
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Duno if anyone has seen it yet, a review/ product release from NSMB
https://nsmb.com/articles/sram-eagle...tealth-brakes/
Pretty stoked on these! Big step forward for precision and durability!
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If there's one thing the mountain bike world needs, it's a $1600 singlespeed drivetrain when you forget to charge it.
One of the reviews I saw seemed amazed that it would shift well under load. Do you think they've never ridden 12s Shimano?
It does look like a good move forward away from 3.5 million derailleur hanger designs in concept, though.
The pricing is going to be... Problematic for wide adoption.
Who doesn’t carry spare parts? Charge a backup battery throw it in your hip pack or back pack and carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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That's what I do. AXS is pretty cool but I wouldn't be on it if I didn't get a crazy deal on it, and a backup analog setup. I did experience a terminal failure from changing the battery at one point when it was new that almost had me sending the thing back. As a last ditch remedy tech suggested leaving the battery out overnight, which did the trick. Still, not very convenient. At least it hasn't repeated itself.
Yup, once I commit to AXS it will be like any other part on my bike… redundant components are key for daily riding!
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I recall you not having what you needed for a flat tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
I carry less shit when I pedal out my back yard! Also… I now carry a tubolito due to that experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by NW_SKIER
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Based on my experience riding with quite a few people throughout the year... a LOT of folks don't bring spare parts. Fuck batteries (but unfortunately it's getting forced on us all whether we like it or not).Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
I’m more interested in the new TRP drivetrain featured on PB today.
Yeah it’s funny how a spare part kit grows the more you ride and the more shit that inevitably breaks haha. 3 years into riding.. I now carry a much more robust part kit!Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
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Why so? Looks pretty standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
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I would imagine any reviewer working for PB, Vital, or a popular YouTube channel would also have extensive first hand experience on Shimano 12spd. It would kinda be a prerequisite to review AXS NGT I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by climberevan
First hand reports that I have heard are that it shifts BETTER under load that Hyperglide 2 does.
Same. Although I'm bummed it's based on microspline. I've had better luck with XD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
Cheaper than XTR for *possibly* comparable weights and performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
I have had absolutely no problems with MS on multiple drivetrains in five years. I suspect any galling is from undertorquing the cassette?
It’s a shame they are employing different cable pull ratio, though, would have been good for mixing and matching if needed or desired.
Cool tech, interesting concept. Great marketing material.
Practical? Durable? TBD.
A lot to bitch about.
I will let the dentists on their yeti sb150s test it out for a couple years before I even consider it.
By then, the transmission will probably be the only option and we will be forced into it. Should be cheaper by then, I hope!
$100 for a chain, lol. Three gx chains a year costs me less than that.
Lame that you can’t mix and match drivetrain components, not even cranks? Why can’t I use Gx cranks if they’ve got a 55mm chainline?
I find a way to break everything on the bike at some point. I’ve learned to keep a backup of everything, as I’m sure many of us do. Traveling to race - good luck if your shit breaks and you need to replace something. Full redundancy is unrealistic with this setup, need 2 full sets of expensive components. $3k all in if you’re paying market price.
PS: I’ve got nothing against yeti or the sb150. Just see a lot of them in pristine condition and barely ridden :)
Wonder if people will be dumping their “ traditional” “ antique” “ outdated” sram eagle stuff now?? And by people I mean dentists… might be a good time to grab some parts for the bin.
I watched a couple of reviews today and they were all pretty positive. The lack of adjustment screws I like as well as how stout it appears to be although ( knock on wood) I’ve never fully smashed a rear der while riding.
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So, it only works with specific frames designed around the UDH? Or am I confused?
Assuming the normal trickle down happens it does seem pretty cool. What's not to love about super burly and no finicky adjustment screws? Could be the death knell for gearboxes, at least on non-ebikes.
the frame needs to support UDH to install it. seems like really nice technology but i'm pretty happy with my older slx and new deore for right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
SRAM introduced the UDH as a Red Herring. It was the only way they could convince a bunch of frame manufacturers to build their bikes to the spec that SRAM needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuclearNachos21
Brands thought a UDH would be a good idea, and SRAM said here are spec, build it like this..... a few years later they now have a majority of brands with the correct spec for for their new "transmission".
Pretty smart in my opinion.
Virtually every bike company and "influencer" posted the exact same shit about the new drivetrain on social media yesterday... IMO, it was pretty tired after I scrolled through a couple of posts, much less hundreds of them with identical content and messaging.
the over done marketing speak wank makes my eyes roll so fucking hard. I hate embargo days, every fucking site in the world rushes to post the exact same content, so bland.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
I rarely tweet anything like this, but I said basically the same thing.
It's the least organic social push. That said, the reviews have all been very positive. Which if I didn't have any good coffee left at the house I'd probably rant about. But I'm sipping some good stuff this morning so...
But as someone else said, at that price point it'll be 2 years before I adopt, unless I get my hands on a dentist build
Yeah, I got that part. Definitely a slick bait-and-switch. I just wanted to confirm that this is a hard no for a non-UDH frame. Mine is not, but by the time this all trickles down I'll probably need a new frame anyway so it's cool to see nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs
$2000+ new "standard" that isn't compatible with existing parts. Sounds about right. Maybe we can get a new hub spacing and cassette driver interface to go with it soon.
Only option on the Santa Cruz bikes I looked at today. It's bananas that the low end of a bike range is $8k.
You make it sound like SRAM pulled something on the frame manufacturers, but I would bet several shiny nickels that every frame manufacturer that switched to the UDH knew full well that a direct mount derailleur was in the works. The UDH was a good idea in and of itself, but it's not been a particularly well kept secret that a direct mount system was coming down the pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs
I bet we see a direct mount groupset priced at a smidge under $1k within a year. And I bet the majority of bikes priced over ~$4500 are going to come with some version of the Transmission drivetrain within 2 years. I think this is going to push Shimano back into being a small minority supplier, similar to how it was when SRAM released their 1x drivetrains and Shimano was still clinging to front derailleurs.
I still hate the idea of having to keep my drivetrain charged, but it's realistically the direction things are going.
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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One nice thing is that the vital/pinkbike did state that this was death to superboost 157 on trailbikes, so it seems like they actually eliminated a "standard" that didn't really take off, which I see as a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
Yeah I think multiple places openly mused about how the UDH would sure make it easy for a direct mount derailleur when it was launched. Definitely a clever move by SRAM but not quite a full on bamboozle.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
I would consider the X0 kit for one of my bikes; the problem is that one isn't UDH. There is also the fact I am pleased with X0 mechanical...
Also, the thread title should say "Transmission" per Sram
I think it looks pretty sweet. Easier to justify spending dumb money on this than on a shiny XX1 drivetrain (not that I can currently afford either). Being able to smash your derailleur on a rock and not have to adjust it anymore sounds pretty nice to me. Sure it’s heinously overpriced but so is everything that goes on or anywhere near a bike
Thank god, hope Evil and Pivot get the picture so I can buy a new boost offeringQuote:
Originally Posted by Phall
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This is one thing I've been reading over and over... but can you really? Just because SRAM says you can, doesn't mean it's true. They also said the clutches on the AXS drivetrains were just as strong as the cable-actuated derailleurs, but we all know that ended up being BS. I'd like to see some real-world proof that these things aren't breaking, instead of just accepting the typical marketing BS as gospel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth
This is my 2nd biggest hang up on AXS (the first being the batteries). I tried an AXS setup for a week and the clutch pretty much immediately shat the bed. I dropped more chains in that week than I have in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
I've been running regular AXS since Feb 2021 and put on ~2.5k miles on it. The body of my derailleur is very well scarred, and I've even hit it hard enough to bend back the little plastic cover that says "X01". I just bent it back and re-stuck with double-sided tape. It still shifts the same as when it was new. There are a couple of tight right hand corners on our local trails that I end up smacking the derailleur on about 25% of the time because that's my weaker corner. The only maintenance I've done on it (besides charging the battery) was replacing the jockey wheels with GX wheels when the stock ceramic ones died, and putting fresh Loctite on the B-tension screw at like ~1,500 miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
I just put GX AXS on the ebike I got this Christmas. I find with the increased torque there, having really precise shift timing helps a lot. I plan on running that setup until GX cassette wears out, then upgrading to the new X0 cassette/chain & XX RD (for the "Magic Wheel"). I'll keep my existing shifter/controller, and get their cheap ebike 104 BCD chainring. Shifting better under load and ebike sounds like a perfect match.
I honestly have no idea if the clutches get weaker or not, since I always run chainguides. I've never dropped a chain with them, so who knows. My old enduro bike had mediocre chainstay protection, so I honestly couldn't say if any chain slap noise is due to the clutch or the bike. The GX AXS on my Levo (with great CS protection) has been super quiet so far, but it's only got 300 miles on it so far.
My only gripe with what I see on the Transmission stuff is that they aren't releasing a 3-bolt chainring, so if & when I eventually upgrade the system on my enduro bike, I'll need to run an aftermarket chainring on my cranks. Prices are high, but that's to sucker the early adopters.
Yeah I dunno. Seen a lot of videos of people stomping on them and then riding the bike but they’re all sponsored riders and maybe just put a new one on immediately afterQuote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
The marketing seems to be working. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth
All the videos I've seen involve people stomping on them with the bike laid on the ground. So they're basically just stomping on the axle. I'm not worried about rock strikes on my axle. I want to see someone stand the bike upright and punt the thing on the clutch / P-knuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth