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Confirmed fatality. Fuck. RIP.
https://classic.avalanche.state.co.u...ibextid=Zxz2cZ
Holy shit - that terrain. Yikes.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...410279b9e8.jpg
I’ve skied a fair amount around Chair; such good snow and amazing terrain. But it gets super loaded and is still Central CO snowpack to deal with. After the slide video from Thursday in Marble, it would seem prime to trigger something of size… Scary and sad.
Wondering if this was a group with a Chair subdivision owner or an outside group that hoofed it in.
^^^ yeah, a summit descent of Chair is super high on my list, I know a couple people that would probably help me with access. And agreed that Marble seemed pretty active recently. People (including myself) have been teeing off the past couple of days on big lines around here in a similar snowpack.
RIP and condolences to friends and family. I already know I have some common acquaintances.
vibes to loved ones and friends.
Dont really need to say anything else.
That photo above is gnarly, but the last photo in the CAIC report is the one that really scares me.
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That thing ran a long fucking way... from this photo I'm curious to hear where they were when they got caught.
We skied inbounds today but a lot of big lines had gone down near Telluride the last few days too, people are definitely getting after it.
RIP.
Same. That photo looks a lot more like a standard CO crap persistent slab that really wasn't that thick for an E face in a high snowfall area... This tidbit from the CBAC: "We're deeply saddened to share the news that Friday's avalanche in Marble resulted in a fatality. The slope held an unusually shallow snowpack, likely from frequent avalanche activity this winter. "Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I wish they would have used this image instead of the other one. An airbag saved one of them, but it took him hours to dig himself out. Local peeps. Always sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Do you have more info about them being in mellow terrain below? I saw this pic on CBAC which made me think they triggered it higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blurred
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Damn. That's a gnarly pic. I had a friend over last night tell me the story as he's friends with those in this party. The story was different than that image makes it look. I really can't confirm nor deny having heard 2nd hand info. I was told one them had a dog with them that died in the slide.......I couldn't imagine taking a dog into that terrain. CAIC/CBAC have been posting images and videos of skier triggered slides around Marble this week. They'd have to be extremely reckless to get into that but obviously someone did? I couldn't imagine anyone surviving a fall through that exposure. RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by concierge
^^^ This story disturbs me in so many ways:
Watch the video.
https://kdvr.com/news/local/he-left-...ngs-adventure/
Heard the dog made it to Marble OK.
Can't confirm/ I don't know shit
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He probably had his powder cord on like in the video.
not to be crass in light of the situation, but how does one get a pomeranian to fuck a husky or vice versa?
put them in a room together
Doggie style.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
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friends of the victim posted that SAR saw dog tracks heading down to Marble from the debris pile and to look out for him
Reminds me of Aaron RalstonQuote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Bow wow wow yippee yo yippee yay.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Wow this is sad. Condolences and support to the affected, the deceased, the families, and the survivors.
Used to ski in that zone a lot… the snowpack and terrain are no joke, as many point out. I have gotten taken in a slide and triggered multiple remote avalanches when I was active there. There is a slide path below chair where I saw the after effects of a “generational” avalanche; I saw an entire forest taken out and the trees stacked 20-30ft high like toothpicks. Marble area gets some of the highest snow totals in the elks; it’s a much different beast than aspen, in my experience.
I hate to be that guy judging others’ risk tolerance, but I would personally never ski that line unless it was on a corn cycle.
Ullr the dog is still missing please keep an eye out if anyones in the area!
I’m armchair quarterbacking from a million miles away based solely off info from this thread - but the optics of those people sitting around giving sound bites on TV doesn’t sit right with me while a dog that was brought out into that situation is alive and still missing
Damn that snow looked good. Final report.
https://classic.avalanche.state.co.u...=837&accfm=inv
Absolutely brutal. RIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenboy
The whole thing is total nightmare fuel. A 3.5 hour long self-extrication? Airbag being completely ripped off the pack and beacon separated from body? Rider #1 just peacing out and abandoning partners? I can't even imagine how brutally terrifying (and traumatic for the rest of your life) it would be to start digging for your buddy and just find a beacon by itself. Holy hell.
Harrowing night to say the least! RIP
Just awful, so much to ponder in that report.
Yeah. Wow. Brutal read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
Snowboarder hit on the head and dazed and confused. Finally stumbled into a house at 3am?
Skier self extracting with a broken hand for over three hours?
Then searching uphill only to find a beacon?
Fuckkkkkkkk
Core temp of 85 degrees. Lethal arrhythmia's are reported below 88. Lots of lessons in this report. Remarkable that two survived. Heavy burden.
Rider 1 didn't peace out on his partners, he got the shit kicked out of him and had a serious head injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
The thing that hit me as far as what to learn is that they were still climbing at 3 in the afternoon. I like to try to be free and clear of my bigger concerns by 1 or 2. It's scary to think of shit going south that late in the day.
Actually, the biggest take away for me is to stay the f away from the big and dangerous slopes if there's any concerns/red flags at all. To be fair I've lived now to become old and turning back to ski another day while having a more conservative overall mentality is easy for me at 47. It's a lot more challenging for the young and hungry. A lot of us have been there as well. RIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by raisingarizona13
Yeah, I saw the 3pm bit after a 730am start and thought the same, why are you still climbing? (Not trying to armchair QB)
That whole read was terrifying.
Brutal outcome and harrowing read. RIP to the deceased. I hope the survivors are able to recover in due time and that they find the poor dog.
Wow, that was an incredible read; I can't even imagine what that was like for the survivors.
This was probably the most intense report I've ever read. If you haven't read it yet, you should, but pour a good stiff drink first, you're gonna need it.
Posted this elsewhere....
The idea of "scouting mission" or "just going to go have a look" is a tool I've used all the time to try to guard against the Commitment human factor. Even when the goal is totally to ski the Dumb Idea Couloir. "Yeah, let's just go have a look at it, maybe ski it if it looks good."
This accident is just a brutal example of how well-meaning mentalities can still lead to tragic decision making. We're just hardwired as humans to put greater weight on observations that support what we already want to do. We're our own worst enemies.
I could totally have made the mistakes they made. I'm still in disbelief the other two survived. RIP.
The 2 survivals blow me away way more than the fatality.
I totally get what you’re saying. .Quote:
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I’ve been out plenty of days to “take a look” and, almost always end up skiing that very objective. Something to think about.
But. Still. Midwinter on a “considerable” day with lots of recent local activity? To choose to ski this line?
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Oftentimes I read the reports and think “I could see how this could happen” (Vallecito. And The Nose from a few years ago.) But this one? It’s all terrain choice. That’s big scary terrain that all the heuristic traps in the world wouldn’t pull me in.
Mmmmmaybe the trees on the far lookers-right of the photo. But to punch a skin track up that ridge would make me shit my pants.
A nightmare story. My heart breaks for them and the dog. RIP.
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^^^ Interesting, the different takeaways that can be had. Vallecito was harder for me to understand, it just looked like there were much more appealing and safer ways to skin up on the ridges to either side of where they were.
Unless I read the Marble report wrong, they were planning to ski lower angled terrain by following the S ridge from the summit, not that cool looking face. 10 or 20' higher and they would have topped out.
Re: "just going to take a look". I haven't done that in over 10 years, and I doubt I'll ever do it again. By far the closest incident I've personally had involved that mindset. I try to look at it from home in the way that a heli/cat operation looks at a run list. There are green checkmarks, and red X's. I'm picking a green checkmark, and I can always back off or choose a different green checkmark, or go back down the skintrack, but I can't change my mind and choose a red X. As much as I understand the need to guard again a specific objective mindset, I think that allowing the freedom to choose in the field leads to poor choices. It's like deciding to jump into the hotel pool from the 3rd floor balcony- should you make that decision sober, or after 10 beers? Hopefully our decision making process while backcountry skiing is better than that 10 beers example, but it's certainly better while sitting at a computer reading the forecast and looking at maps or past experiences than it is while you're looking at an aesthetic line with great snow.
This report shows it well, starting with the "The quality of the snow on the north-facing slopes they planned to descend did not look as good and the visibility was better than they expected". That's what started the decisions to end up where they did. I doubt they would have drawn that ascent line up on Google Earth or Caltopo when they were sitting at home the night before.
I read the description of their plan differently: "They planned a "scouting mission" in the Rapid Creek drainage to figure out access for future outings."
To me, that means "we're going to check out access and we're not going to ski any significant lines." Not "we're going to sniff at big lines and see if they're reasonable to ski today."
That said, either way, they obviously continued to change the plan and ramp up exposure.