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It was right here
Always be selling
I was told I could listen to my music at a reasonable volume.Quote:
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Would work there for access to hot waitresses at Chotchkies
Kids these days complain about the office but that’s an 8’x8’ cube and TWO computer monitors! Back in my day a single CRT would take up that whole space! And try renting an apartment that’s bigger than 8x8 in any US city, it’ll run you $3000+ a month. We give it to you for free! (No sleeping in the office)
Its not the job, and its not the location. Work you are forced to do sucks no matter what it is, and when you're working hard you dont notice the location (which will likely loose its luster after 5-10 years).
Its all about the people you work with and the pay. Find a job where you are happy with both, and you have found the key to career happiness. People love to blame outside factors for their career unhappiness when they wont take the onus upon themselves to improve their situation.
bootstraps eh?
and loose <> lose
a little bootstrappy. But the antiwork movement reeks of cliche gen z entitlement and deserves all the ridicule thrown its way IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
and i deserve all the ridicule you can throw my way for shitty spelling.
I'm not antiwork
But I am firmly antijob.
Please define the antiwork movement. Your interpretation sounds narrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Originally Posted by heckacali
I’m not sure which made me laugh more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
The Michael’s card or the unpaid day off.
I love work. I like making things, fixing things, and improving things. The definition of "work" I have found that most coincides with my own is based in Marx...
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/marx/#ReliWorkQuote:
Marx holds that work has the potential to be something creative and fulfilling. He consequently rejects the view of work as a necessary evil, denying that the negative character of work is part of our fate, a universal fact about the human condition that no amount of social change could remedy. Indeed, productive activity, on Marx’s account, is a central element in what it is to be a human being, and self-realisation through work is a vital component of human flourishing. That he thinks that work—in a different form of society—could be creative and fulfilling, perhaps explains the intensity and scale of Marx’s condemnation of contemporary economic arrangements and their transformation of workers into deformed and “dehumanised” beings (MECW 3: 284).
I also have a good job: remote, in an industry that I care about, good leadership, State bennies, and OK pay.
I hate shitty jobs, worker exploitation, and the fact that current American generations are less likely than previous ones to have a decent job with good benefits, affordable healthcare, reasonable housing costs, and enough discretionary income to do things like taking a vacation without going into debt.
The Antiwork movt seems less about not working and more about pointing out the shittiness of how we have structured work in America. Much of the shit I see on /r/antiwork is merely asking for better working conditions and treating employees like they are human -- you know....like they did in the 50-60s and they still do in much of Europe. Paid sick leave, 4 weeks of paid vacation, maternity leave, job protections, a clear distinction between on/off hours, reasonable scheduling, affordable healthcare, and retirement potential.
People aren't as anti work as they are anti being slaves for hire controlled by an emperor somewhere.
Anti-antiwork is hilarious
Work would be much better if we all had this all the time. Powder day? Yep, I'm out, don't pay me, I'll be back tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Fixed it for you..
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Nothing makes people want to be slaves to the corporate overlords more than a boomer telling them their concerns aren't valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
from what ive seen its whining about about bad/tone deaf bosses, being asked to work more than wanted or at an inconvenient time, and generally acting as though the low-skill low-pay job someone holds is deserving of similar pay, benefits and respect as top producers at companies known for great pay and bennies. Its a movement full of mostly outward looking folks, and never inward looking, and my experience in the industries many of these "antiworkers" were/are in says that while there are lots of shitty jobs and bosses, there are far more shitty employees. the common theme to address the problems/issues that "antiworkers" experience is generally passive aggressive- to check-out and work less or stop working as opposed to actively trying to fix the issue (unionization, contacting corporate, talking to your boss/HR, switching companies, becoming the boss, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
That's my general interpretation, though i dont visit reddit or other SM, so maybe im way off?
You said it like a Boss:)
That shit sandwich tastes good, right minion?
The most toxic conceit in us life
I think the part that jump-started many people is being told they were essential during the pandemic but still being treated like shit.
If your job is essential to the welfare of others, you should be paid a living wage, no matter how menial or low-skill that job is.
Uh, they are switching companies but shockingly the new place has the same shitty boomers that were at the other place. I've tried to fix the issues and get gaslit by the other boomers/entrenched employees. Contacting corporate or talking to your boss/HR. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Also, record corporate profits after government bailouts.
If the owner(s) took government money and are using it for discretionary spending, perhaps distribution to the workers would change their attitude toward the bosses.
I am looking forward to what Fred has to say.
No one wants a lieutenant commanding the army though, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Well Bob, it's like this. It's a question of motivation.
Damn entitled Gen Xers and their not looking inward to fix their own problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toadman
I’d love for people that say this to go work “low skilled” jobs like Walmart cashier, wait staff, ditch digger, etc. it might not take the same skills you have but it takes a lot of other skills. The same people that scream at 16-year olds for not giving them the right size scoop of ice cream wouldn’t last 15 minutes as a fry cook.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
And yeah, we realized how much of our life depends on these low wage “low skill” folks early pandemic. And then we ignored that, kept paying and treating them like shit, and now complain that they’re lazy and asking for too much (even though the modern world wouldn’t keep going without their labor)
Companies are trying to pump their “we are a great place to work” reputation so hard right now, without having any actual substance behind it. My company has hired so many Talent Acquisition and Hr people to “tell our story”, yet we suspended the 401k match for almost a year during Covid, then reinstated it 30% lower than pre-pandemic and had no raises in 2021 then 3% in early 2022.
I’m pretty sure that is going to speak much louder than any other “Story” the marketing folks put together.
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Didnt everyone work these jobs for years on end? I certainly did, usually a couple of them at the same time. Its low skill, low pay work. Ditch digging/brick laying is fucking brutal work and deserves a helluva lot more respect than a starbucks barista, or a pizza maker at papa murphys IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
Where do you think the bootstrap trope came from? It came from people who worked low-skill, low-pay jobs who then pulled on their bootstraps.
Lol. “High skill” jobs can be some of the biggest waste of space jobs around. If I ever drive a cab I’d like to punch Thomas Friedman in the nuts for convincing an era that “high skill” = “high value”. You want the latter, the former isn’t a great predictor.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
The thing is, there are no bootstraps anymore. Boomers took every advantage and program they could get (given to them by their parents), raped the planet, slashed their own taxes, and threw all the boots away. Then complain that other generations are entitled. Fuck them all.
My wife and I both work full time, have no kids, have made not perfect, but good financial decisions, we’re lucky enough to have few student loans, but we are still worse off than either of our families growing up where we all survived on one income. The problems aren’t individual, they are endemic to the system.
Congrats! You got out. I’m sure it’s 1000% because of your intrinsic awesomeness and had nothing to do with:Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Access to education
Access to healthcare
Explicit/implicit biases of people who hired you/taught you
Race
Fuck even just using the zip code people grew up in you can pretty accurately tell what their economic outcome will be. I’m sure that’s because those people in those zip codes are just way better at bootstrapping and the other zip codes are just lazy right?!?
Ditches get dug with diesel fuel these days...most times it's diesel + compression, like a trackhoe engine, but sometimes it's diesel + ammonium nitrate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZc2gAMxFzg
I’m pretty sure that video is just those worms from TremorsQuote:
Originally Posted by highangle
respect because it's physical? what makes that more deserving of respect?Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
completely arbitrary, imo
people deserve respect because they are people & for how they treat other people, not the role they may play