Picking up a basic tune. Dude unmounted my dynafits(not quiver killed) to do a basic tune.
Said that's the way it's done? Wtf?
Am I right in being like wtf? Cause I'm pretty much like wtf.
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Picking up a basic tune. Dude unmounted my dynafits(not quiver killed) to do a basic tune.
Said that's the way it's done? Wtf?
Am I right in being like wtf? Cause I'm pretty much like wtf.
Must burn those skis to appeal to Ullr now.
why ?
Total wtf…
I’ve heard a lot and that’s a brand new one to me.
He must also take out the liners to buckle his boots
So not only did they unnecessarily pull your bindings, they also returned the skis to you without putting them back on? Care to mention the shop?
I mean, if that's the intelligence level of the technician we're talking about, I probably wouldn't want them to put the bindings back on at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
AFAIK there isn't a single tuning machine that requires skis to go in flat. Even the big base grinders accommodate bindings. Tuning dude is being a complete kook.
If he returned the bindings unmounted you're probably better off, at least you can remount properly with epoxy. If he remounted them himself he probably over torqued everything and stripped at least half the holes...
I walked in as the binding s were off, was like wtf. Didn't blow up though. Not cool imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Dude said he torque spec d them back on w silicone. Said holes were tapped. Again. Wtf.
Dude compd the job. Fucking retarded imo.
I will occasionally pull my own bindings for a bunch of passes on the stone grinder, as I think you "may" get a smoother pull through (and it takes less attention), but for most jobs you just put the ramp attachment on over the bindings and let 'er rip . . .
Out of curiosity, why wouldn't you tune your own skis? In less time than it'd take me to drop off a pair, I'd be done tuning.
Live and travel full time van. 1/4 mill wintersteiger would be a touched cramped
Kook level 9000
I know the shop and know LOTS of local people have taken skis there for years. I bet none of them know their bindings are being unmounted. When byates told me about this I thought the shop was trying to mess with him or something....
Got a trailer hitch? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
So they do this for all their tunes without mentioning it? Why? Sounds like a lot of extra workQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
I've heard of it once as a premium tune job where the the bindings are taken off, I think its something to do with the ski gets flatter without the binding on top and all those screws being cranked down/ warping the ski but it all sounds bogus to me
cuz when you put the bindings back on they will infinitesimally alter the flatness of the ski ( if that in fact happens ?)
so it would be better to tune with the bindings ON and then the ski will be flatest in the binding-on state
but its all bogus
Silicon? Am I the only one who saw that? Wtf
This is a prime example of what not to do to tune a ski. What shop? It needs to be said.
Gear wizard Bozeman Mt
Dude says he's been doing it for 30yrs.
Nice guy. I am not down w my bindings being taken off for no reason.
Ski tune industry has pushed silicon chip shortage over the edge. No more silicon chips installed during tunes! THIS MUST END!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
yeah I also noticed silicone and the extra tap job, there is just so much WTF in this thread
I'm curious what they charge if it wasn't comped ??
Just because you’ve done something wrong for 30 yrs doesn’t make it right. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Nobody should be man. That’s just bizarre.
Was some sort of silicon glue to be fair. Was like 45/60$ I think.
I talked w 3 other shops I trust and they were all like what?!
A cut n paste from gearwizard's page
"Ski and Snowboard Repair Services
We currently have put ski and snowboard services on hold until fall.
Wax and Edge $35
Full Tune $45 // Base grinding and minor base repairs included
Magic Tune $60 // Stone Grinding and minor base repairs included
Base Welds $10 per cm
Nordic Mount $25
Telemark Mount $30
Alpine Mount $40
AT Mount $60
Edge "
so this ^^ is what buddy charges, I duno how those prices are but they dont seem excessive ?
Considering they are in loonies those are pretty good relative to shops around me
So we would pull bindings on race skis occasionally, that was like 7–10 years ago, running a different machine and some of the race skis had shit bases and we could apply better pressure and it was more uniform, some times the transition on to the bridge would make a pattern so funny things. But pulling bindings off a ski for no reason is absolutely ridiculous. And this assumes a lot of risk unless they take your boot for every tune, because they can’t set forward pressure back.
anyway. That race tune is 150-225 depending on how you want it finished.
+ free spinners!Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Seriously, what do they do when they encounter helicoils and toothpicks under the bindings LOL! Reason 7749024039 why never do things you weren't asked to do...
Thanks for the context! The only shop I’ve ever seen with a bunch of bindings pulled off skis for tuning I know does a lot of race work (and does an excellent job with freeride skis seemingly without pulling the bindings). Makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
What the hell?! That dude is a fucktard!!
I would hope I'm finished with a handy if I'm paying $225 for a tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
Extra tap job is shitty, but silicone glue is pretty common. I've been using silicone glue for mounts for years. Doesn't crack and let water in. I still use epoxy for questionable mounts though.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Strange practice for sure. I used to work a tuner and never did we ever unmount anything to run through a machine. The binding bridge was plenty...I wouldn't worry about silicone.
yeah so I just wana point out I did a little goggle investigation on this file which any of you dentists could have done,
otherwise I got no idea idea wtf this is about and i am not even in America
FWIW...The SkiTalk community raves about SkiMd...a guy/shop located here on the EC. I believe I have read he takes off bindings for his tuning process.
^^^SkiMD also keeps your boot so they can readjust and test the system after they reassemble.
That might be part of the problem, needless to say things aren't quite what they were thirty years ago. Grinding without a bridge is definitely easier and marginally more precise, but almost any machine built in the last fifteen-twenty years has compensation built in to accommodate the longer distance the feed wheel has to travel to go up over the bridge, so the grind doesn't change even though the feed wheel is covering more distance than the stone. Higher end race grinders you can select which style of bridge so it's even more precise. Or it's getting run through a robot and your bindings don't matter at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
There's still a very few handful of tuners that will pull a binding for a more precise grind, but like SVJoey said, that's a premium service, plus you're really fucking splitting hairs there. Any amount the grind would be affected might be measurable, but I bet no one here would ever notice it on the snow if the grain of their structure was 0.5mm shorter underfoot.
The bridge can slip, the feed wheel can skip on the way down the tail of the bridge, the bridge could be warped, the ski could shoot out the back of the grinder and get stuck in a wall. But it's pretty damn easy for a competent technician to get a really nice product out of any reasonably modern grinder without making excess accommodation.
"Just because you've been doing it a long time, doesn't mean you're doing it right" is one of my fav quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
That’s like taking your pants off to pee…
How else are you gonna sit backwards on the toilet and use the tank as a little table to eat your breakfast?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
Maybe buddy misplaced/broke his binding bridge and is trying to save face by telling you that's how he always does it? Maybe I'm being to kind by even suggesting that, pulling a customers binding for a run of the mill stone grind is insanity.
Often very true in the ski and construction world. This case being one….maybe. The opposite can often be said too, due to tried and true experience….Quote:
Originally Posted by ZomblibulaX
Speaking of breakfast, take bacon for instance, doing it the ‘Wright way’:
“We do things a lot like your great grandfather did.
Rich in both tradition and flavor, the bold taste of Wright Brand bacon has been savored since Roy Wright and Fay Eggleston handcrafted their first batch in 1922. It’s a history of doing things a certain way, and one we don’t plan on changing.”[emoji6]
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How is the tune? Any spinners? Have you checked the forward pressure?
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Why are you guys worked up? This is a little known step absolutely critical to a proper tune. Much like removing the bike’s entire drivetrain to true it’s wheels.