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Anyone tried, or know much about these? Particularly the 100% carbon layup which is insanely light? For example the Guide, which at 179, 106 at the waist, is 1160 g. My assumption would be that they are somewhat disposable and ski like shit in anything but light pow...
https://moonlightmountaingear.com/co...32409656918067
Glad you made a thread.. I'm very curious too
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anyone???
I think Paul Forward maybe mentioned them in a (recent?) Blister podcast?
Looks like it was the Cruiser though
Yeah, that's where I first heard of them actually. The Cruiser is a bit too wide for my needs though, the Guide is more what I'm looking for. I wonder I they'll do any follow up on the lighter version that he was about to mount.
Oh man they look cool but I can't imagine skiing a ski that size and weight in anything except perfect snow. Chunder would be death.
I have a pair of the older model Carbon 95 (now the Mission 96) in the 50/50 layup mounted with Raiders. I took them out for the first time last week in the ice rink that is Park City followed by a backcountry day in BCC.
In resort, I was pleasantly surprised. Obviously, the conditions weren't great (this was before the recent snowstorm), but the skis held up well in all kinds of in-bounds terrain. They carved very well and didn't get thrown around that much in bumpier/refrozen stuff despite its 1350ish /1700ish weight. Granted, I wasn't going all out over everything, and the beefier Raiders probably helped too. I have dedicated resort skis but wouldn't hesitate taking these out on any given day.
For backcountry, the skis tour like a dream. Very light and maneuverable going up and predictable, easy to control coming down. Conditions were similar to the Park City day. Given the very long and low rocker on the ski, they will float much better than the width would indicate although I couldn't find any pow to verify this.
Will post further updates as I keep skiing/touring them.
Bumping this thread... I'm on the verge of buying some Moonlight skis and curious if I can get anyone with experience to share what they think of them. I can't find any real reviews online but they are pretty much the only long radius, long rockered skis made with a lightweight touring construction.
I would highly recommend. Everything in my post above still holds true. Are you getting the pure carbon or 50/50 ones? And which model? I can only speak for the Carbon 95/Mission 96.
I like the longer radius of the Guide but the Mission is a more practical width for me. I'm not sure which construction I'll go with, I would hesitate to go pure carbon without any reviews of that construction. Are you still in Utah? I'd love to buy you a beer and ogle the skisQuote:
Originally Posted by Pins and Skins
No unfortunately, I'm based in NY and was in SLC earlier this year for a trip only.
With the caveat that I haven't actually fondled the pure carbon layup, I think they may be too light for ordinary backcountry purposes (unless you're planning to speed skimo all over the Wasatch). The 50/50 isn't that much heavier and I feel is better for more technical terrain given its slightly more ummphh. Plus, any extra weight can be mitigated by choice of binding and boots.
Another Nordic brand you can consider is SGN - their Hurrungane model might be a good choice for you. Unfortunately, they are all sold out for this season (they just had their end of season sale) via the official website, but sometimes European retailers may still have them. SGN is way more well known than Moonlight so you may be able to find more reviews.
I've seen the user kid-kapow on a thread talking about SGN skis - seems he's Norwegian and in Norway, maybe you can ask him?
As for mass brands, the closest thing I know of to your ideal setup are the Black Crows Solis, but they are way heavier and probably not ideal for long tours.
Just an FYI as an alternative, they Movement Alptracks series is getting updated nextyear, the 106 will have the same shape as the GO 106. Its getting a longer radius, straighter sidecut than the current version. I've never skied any of the Movements so don't have any frame of reference.
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Funny you mention that. I own a custom ski from Wovn that copies the exact shape of the Solis in a ~1300g build. It is a perfect shape and great for steeps but its extremely stiff and beats me up on more relaxed tours with mixed snow conditions. I may have them build me another one with a softer construction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pins and Skins
I am definitely interested in trying these, I saw the new 106 at Skimo Co and they look great. The are more expensive than the 50/50 Moonlights at a similar weight so I'm leaning Moonlight at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
They already have next years alp tracks? Had anyone there been on them?
They had a demo pair just for employees, not for sale yet. They guy I talked too preferred the older ones, said they floated better but hadn't gotten to spend enough time on the new ones to have a strong opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Those Wovn are interesting, don't know much about them. Did you have them make a custom ski or something? How much did that cost?
The Moonlight weights are kind of interesting. THeir 50/50 layup weight is pretty light, on par with BD Helios or something, nothing too crazy. But the lighter layup is crazy light, so light is makes me nervous.
I bought the Solis clones from a friend who is close with the Wovn builder, who had them custom made. I don't know his normal policies with custom work. I know the standard skis have a lot of rocker, but mine have longer rocker and longer radius with a stiffer construction. I don't know what it would cost to commission a new custom ski or if he would do it.
Benneke10, if you order directly from Moonlight or any other Norwegian retailer, make sure they take off the 25% VAT from the price. It's excluded from exported products. Similarly, if the overall order (ex VAT) is more than $800 USD, you'll get hit with a US import tax. I'm not sure how much it is, but I've heard it's manageable for skis.
Skied the new Alp Tracks 98 in a 178 for a half day on hard snow at the ski area and was impressed with the edgehold and stability, esp. as I'd never normally use them for that . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Did you get hit with the import tax? The one other American I know who bought from them said he didn't pay any duties. I sent them an email asking, will report backQuote:
Originally Posted by Pins and Skins
I did not buy my skis directly from Moonlight but from a French retailer who had them on sale. I was also living in London at the time so was not affected by import taxes.
I did however buy another set of skis from Norway, but because the overall amount was less than $800, I was not hit with the import tax.
Wow.. the AlpTracks 106 has gained a lot of weight over the years. It used to be around 1200g.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Putting out a feeler, anyone potentially interested in a full set of Moonlight Carbon 95s at 177cm?
https://snowdepartment.com/products/...32075670323281
It's the same as the former Mission 96, just slightly different top sheet. Mine are mounted with shimmed ATK R10s at 295 BSL (2nd mount) and weighs about 1660g all-in (1315g flat). They are paired with Hagan Boost 94 skins which are almost a perfect fit. Used about 7 days in the backcountry.
Rocker profile is low and long. As a rough measurement, there is probably 55cm of tip rocker but 60% of it is very, very subtle and the last 40% forms a gradual rise to a modest tip splay. The tail rocker is also long-ish but very subtle and forms a somewhat flattish tail. There is about 2mm of camber underneath (so 4mm gap when the skis are base to base). Can send/post pics if there is interest.
Not set on price, but thinking $600-650 for everything depending on where I'm shipping to. Open to offers/price policing of course.
Bumping this because I just got reminded of this company and looking through their catalog has me super curious. Anyone ski the crazy light core? The long, low rocker profile with sub 1300g weight is very interesting. Looks like the mount point is ~-9.5 or so.
https://moonlightmountaingear.com/co...s/touring-skis
I'm also super curious, worried they are too stiff. There have been reviews in Powder and Wildsnow but I didn't find either to be very informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
Too much shape for a touring ski
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The all black topsheet got the better of me, and I went back in with the Guide 103 at 169cm and 50/50 core, shorter/wider vs. what I previously had. Unfort, I got them too late in the season and so won't be able to report back until next season. But can confirm the low, long rocker, the kiss of camber, and about 1,320g per ski. Hand flexing them, they are certainly on the stiff side but nothing crazy. I suspect the super light core will be far stiffer. I personally don't want something around 1kg for a 100+ wide ski. Planning to pair them with some Plum Oazos
FWIW, I emailed their sales staff a few times, and they were super helpful. They'll probably give you guys answers even if you don't plan on buying anything right away.
The “guide” carbon looks cool at first. But, I still can’t understand why 109 waist touring skis are getting 5mm of camber underfoot in 2024..
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Because they are designed as go to skis for big mountains in the arctic, where snow is often very variable. It's a nice touring ski. Only tried it for couple of tours, but at least for me, it did everything nicely. Not best in anything, but can do all just fine. Just like a go to touring ski should.Quote:
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Right, and that’s the reason to go low/no/reverse camber. There might be some personal preferences against that which is fine. But in general, a no/reverse is better in variable snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ville
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First a disclaimer, I got these for free from a pal that works for Moonlight.
186 Cruiser 'all terrain' (the heavier one), Alpinists on the line and Hoji free boots.
Just skied em once, today, but have initial info.
Light. For a 120mm 186cm ski 1600g is light. This obviously comes with the expected downsides with regards to deflection in chop, but they feel great uphill.
Today we had 10cm ski pen in smooth but higher moisture content snow. Bad vis so skied slow but they smeared around in the grabby snow very admirably, felt balanced for/aft with a good balance of looseness in both the top and tail. Very easy.
Hardback groomers on the way out, held an edge and carved really well. A little chattery if you really sunk the edge in when going sideways but if you feathered they were good. If you actually set the edge and carved the turn they held really well. Felt tortionally stiff.
Slightly slushy/corny bumps down low were also surprisingly good, but the weight and easily deflected nature was starting to show if things were too chopped up.
Overall I think they will be a good 3d snow touring ski. Their name, having 50/50 in it, suggests it may be a good resort/touring cross over ski, but I don't think that's quite right. Keep it as a touring ski and you'll be right on.
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