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Brings the lulz everyday.
“Chief executive Kirsten Lynch, who is in her first winter at the helm of the company, announced two weeks ago that employees will receive a bonus of $2 per hour for all hours worked from Jan. 1 until the end of the ski season. They must stick it out to the end to receive their bonuses, which will be paid in May. The company also says it increased the minimum wage it pays at Colorado resorts this season from $12.25 to $15 per hour.”
Whoa. Now all those lifties can squeeze 4 into a 400sf apt instead of 5.
Vail dumped their J1’s out on the street in March 2020.
Anyone know how many they have this year?
They sold like 900,000 more passes than ever before and there is pretty massive worker shortage. You do the maths. I wonder if there's any stories like this from the Ikon resorts? I know that I've heard that Copper is way more crowded on the weekends than ever before.
there are lots of j1's here this season most of them arrived without housing and have been shuffling between hotels since they got hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
J1's are also the kids of well to do south american parents they are all leaving as planned between mid to late march because they have to go back to college so cunty kristen ain't handing them their $2 an hr bonus for sticking out the season
"experience of a life time brah"
You do the math, corporate bootlicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Skier visits down 2%.
There is no worker shortage. There is a shortage of workers willing to be exploited.
Get bent.
Just did the inflation calculator for curiosity’s sake::Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
In my ski bum, ski area shit job days I made today’s equivalent of
-13-14hr for a few years
2200-2600/month on salary for more years
16/hr for a few more years
I paid (today’s equivalent) from $300 to $1100/mo rent in wide variety of “interesting” living situations.
Living was often pretty bare with those numbers. Lots of creativity applied to getting through life on those numbers. I was at my limit a bunch of times, like living in a tent with no food, hitchhiking to work, casually grabbing a banana from some hotel’s continental breakfast. I don’t think I could have done it with less.
I’m not surprised they’re having trouble locating workers with even less wage and crazier housing.
I just pray we don’t get a big migration to Ikon next year. If so…can they go to only 3 days at Aspen for a $250 adder?
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15*40*2= $1200. that’s not nothing (even if it’s only 4pair of googles), but I imagine “hours worked” tends to drop off at the end of the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
This. It's going to happen. I'm already seeing many comments on Stevens Pass and other Vail-owned resorts' social media pages that the people are fed up and plan on buying Ikon next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by gretch6364
To be sure, Ikon has the same issues, but Vail's just so much easier to hate on because Vail. Aspen has done a good job at staying arm's length away from Alterra as they still are not wholly owned as opposed to Steamboat/Copper, etc. and so I will not be surprised to see ASC continue on that path with more limitations moving forward. On the other side of the coin, ppl need to know Ikon has more than enough problems. Ikon has ruined Steamboat and it's becoming more of a circus every damned day.
Hate supporting Ikon/Alterra but have no choice if I want to ski in bounds where I live and financially it makes sense if I want to plan trips to JH, LCC/BCC, BS etc...
Ikon has the same problems as Epic with the difference only in the ownership. Vail has tried to centralize everything. Alterra doesn't appear to be doing as much of that, but it's a hedge fund and it can be expected to happen soon enough.
Can’t wait till next season when the hoardes will jump to Ikon.
You are a fucking idiot. Eat a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
^^^ ski off??
Can't handle facts that don't fit your narrative?Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Only low paying jobs are having a hard time finding workers.
Supply and demand. Capitalism. If you don't like it get a better job. Ha! Workers get it and are taking better jobs.
I’m not really sure that you know what was wrong at Stevens. None of what you said is accurate. Pettigrew was a micro manager. There was a stack of un reviewed applications for every staff position at Stevens when Fortune took over recently. Lots of people wanted to work at Stevens. It really had nothing to do with wages except for Pro Patrol. I know this doesn’t fit your narrative but I’ve had two conversations with people high up in management at Stevens in the last week. It was simply bad management by a corporate ladder climber with no understanding of Stevens and no gm experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
Continue with your woke outrage by all means
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You didn't know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Hopefully Alterra will use the benefit of foresight to their advantage. The Ikon shit show for next year seems fairly predictable, but a few tweaks here and there could probably avert a Vail-esque disaster.
TIL that I'm not woke if I use the shorthand of "worker shortage" instead of "shortage of workers willing to be exploited".
The world and wokeism moves fast, Danno. Keep up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
https://www.instagram.com/p/CX2c7hhOe4a/ Click through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
What exactly is considered the threshold of low pay?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
FkIt. Don’t bother. My experience is different.
Did I say anything about Steven's? Nope. These is about Vail Corp and my response was to the incredibly inaccurate nonsense that was also not directly about Steven'sQuote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Worker shortage suggests that the problem is there aren't enough workers to fill the available jobs. This is simply inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
No companies paying decent wages and treating employees well is having a problem retaining or hiring.
Uhhh, talk about inaccurate. Tech companies who pay high wages and give equity and great benefits (mine included) are having a hard time filling all of our available roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
Let's keep the vitriol where it belongs, Vail. No need to make yourself sound like a fool generalizing across the entire economy.
https://www.americanprogress.org/art...-are-quitting/
Facts are inconvenient when they don't fit your narrative.
Your statement "No companies paying decent wages and treating employees well is having a problem retaining or hiring." is not true and the article you posted does not support your absolute statement. It focuses on low paying jobs (e.g. ski area jobs we are talking about) and not regarding the jobs I was discussing that many companies are having a hard time filling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
While your general direction is correct (and I agree with), your use of absolute statements ("no companies") weakens your overall point.
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Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
I don't know why you're trying to pick fights with people in here. Nobody is saying "people just don't want to work" or any of the stupid bullshit lines that are sometimes spouted, nobody is defending Vail, yet you're in here treating everyone as if we're reading from the Bootstraps 101 manual. Why? What's wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
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Originally Posted by Name Redacted
My response was directed to "name Redacted" who was defending Vail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Vail has done a good job of pushing their narrative and the post I replied to was more of their nonsense.
How the fuck you got “Defending Vail” from my comment I’ll never know. Probably because you are a dipshit troll just looking for a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
Sorry that you are one of the millions of morons that didn’t see this coming and bought an epic pass. I sure as hell didn’t. I was even offered a free pass and didn’t take it.
You turned down a free pass?
Yeah, I don't regret it either, especially with the shitshow that has been going on this season. The epic resorts just don't do anything for me, and really neither do the Ikon resorts, at least locally. I've got other non-Epic/Ikon passes instead and I've been pretty happy with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
Maybe next year people will put their money where their mouth is and switch to something else besides Epic, but I've been saying that for years and I really hope they don't.
What decent hill besides Abasin in Colorado is not Epic or iKon?
Like I said, you're looking to pick fights. He wasn't defending Vail.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSilverSurfer
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Originally Posted by Benny Profane
hows abouts theses places?
Monarch
https://skimonarch.com
Wolf Creek
https://wolfcreekski.com
Ski Cooper
https://www.skicooper.com
... yeah i know, not really a hudge place, but their seasons pass is only $299 and comes with 3 days all these places.
https://www.skicooper.com/coopwp/wp-...s-Map-2122.jpg
Powderhorn
Sunlight
And everyone's favorite bootlicking spot, Loveland
Sssshhh, don't say that name around bunny, "He had a bad experience".Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Silverton
And although it isn't in CO, Taos is not too far.
I've gotten to the point where the whole resort experience is not really something that I even want, that isn't skiing to me and I'm not spending money or time on that shit anymore.
Isn’t it funny though how many thousands of people cruise by LL every weekend and never even consider skiing there instead of dealing with traffic and lift lines all day long at all the big resorts. Cracks me up.
I can only *shake my head* at all the "fair wage"/"living wage"/ etc sentiment. Being a liftie/dish washer/host/ticket seller were never jobs meant to support a family of 8 - these were dirtbag jobs with dirtbag wages, and we REVELED in the amount of imagination it took to make ends meet. And...we made it work. Probably learned a thing or two along the way, and still had some fun in the process.
Now, we have the entitlement crew of the hour, just looking for a fight or a reason to be "OUTRAGED!!!", thinking that resort jobs are a career for everyone, right down to the guy picking up cigarette butts in front of the "drop off only" lane. I feel bad for patrollers, having been a volly for 14 years, because I know what they have to POUR into that job, and it's criminal to not have them being some of the highest paid employees at any area - and you can't spin the lifts without them...
Oh, and FUCK VAIL for screwing up the entire ski industry. You reap what you sow. The more consolidation we get, the less voice we have. I'm done supporting pretty much anything that is part of an "association" as well - only private organizations for me moving forward. There's just no accountability these days amongst to fat cats. If you aren't earning your operating income by means beyond collecting dues, it's too easy to get lazy and only look out for self interest.
This all makes me glad that the bulk of my ski days are behind me, cuz shit just gets dumber by the season. This is supposed to be fun - "a way to get away from it all". If all it does is create anxiety and stress, there's not much point in doing it any more. This always used to be the way I'd be able to "balance myself" - I skied to re-center, and get away from the stress of the life I choose, and not add to it.
GTFO with this nonsense, boomer. No one is saying $15/hr in a resort town is enough to support a family of 8. That's just the bare minimum you need to survive in these towns as a single person who is likely still going to be eating a lot of ramen and just scrap by.Quote:
Originally Posted by axebiker
Glad to hear the majority of your ski days are behind you because it's antiquated attitudes like yours that have made ski resorts what they've become today.