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On some skis the tails clips easily slip off. Then they flap around and the tail clips gets lost. I am running out of spare BD clips.
Did anyone find an alternative that works better?
I am thinking to screw a hook to my skis. Should work no?
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The G3 tail clips work very well. The Contour ones are more minimal but get the job done. Pomoca and BD are not good IMO. I like the custom tail clips on DPS-branded Pomoca skins.
there are 2 ways to put a BD clip on the tail leash
if you instal the clip so the tail is trailing straight out behind the ski it will rip the leash and/or come off more easily
another way is to turn the clip around so the tail leash curls forward over the top of the ski tail with the clip on top holding the strap down so all of the strap is touching the ski top, which I find secure and the tail straps don't get ripped
if this is a ski with a rounded full wrap edge maybe you need the G3 twin tip tail hooks which never come off
I ground a small notch in the back of my touring skis that keeps the clip in place.
Stole the idea from an old touring partner.
Works on trad skis. If twin tippy think G3 only option
I'd be very curious to hear how this works if you try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
Some contour skins that are sold with skimo-racing style tips come stock with a similar tail clip. I didn't think it was very functional. Contour also sells aftermarket "shark" style fixed hooks https://skimo.co/contour-skin-partsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
https://ca-store.genuineguidegear.co...-connector-kitQuote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Pretty easy to file a slot in the molded-on plastic tail piece of many skis but its probably not a good thing to file a notch in a fully wrapped metal ski edge like on a twin tip so thats where you need these ^^
I have a some ^^ and they work very well,
the clamps that come on the G3 alpinist skins also work well
WAY back in the day the MEC crew in Vancover would just run a screw into the ski top to loop some 3mm bungy connected to the end of the skin, this was considered pretty core because back then they didnt have tail retention for their 65mm wide skins and G3 didn't exist yet
He’s talking about mounting the hook ON the ski, and then attaching the tail strap to the hook. I did something similar on some skis 25 yrs ago, worked fine, but I haven’t done that since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Yes, I was looking to install the hook on the ski. Skis that I lose the tail clip with are rounded full metal edge wrap.
Looks like the G3 twin tip connectors are a very good alternative.
I have the BD clips installed so the clip holds the skin flush with the ski. I also tightened the clip so it's tip is flush with the ski. Still, I managed to lose one. I also lost an alpinist tail clip.
There are 2 ways to put the BD clip on the skin tail, with the clip instaled from the top OR from the bottom of the skin tail, either way will work but I think instaling the clip from the top ( and pointing backwards) so the tail folds back on top of the ski top with the clip on top of the tail is more secure and the tails will last longer than if the tails are just dragging in the snow
but really it sounds like you want the G3 clips for full wrap edges cuz you don't wana file a slot in a full wrap edge or put hooks or screws in a ski when there are better options out there, the G3 clip are very secure, you have to slide the clip off to one side to get them off the ski, I like them
if anyone needs a picture I could do that
I have used coat hanger wire quite a bit for this ...it works. Notching helps as well
I would like a picture. My pomoca skins keep sliding off. the only thing that helped was to make sure i didn't have too much tension.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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Does anyone still make the Euro style with a fixed tail hook and stretchy tip loop?
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Oh and never like this
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Always like this.
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the 2 ways to mount the BD clip on the tail strap, I just grabbed these for a demo, these BD skins arent usually used on this pair of Lotus
the bottom picture is the preferred way to run the clips IME
I havent seen too much of the rubber stretchers, IME since skis got wide they would get knocked off by the other ski and so I would give them a pass
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Thread the strap back over the clip in the second picture.
Big Sky Mountain Products has those rubber stretchers. They work fine but can get knocked off. Skimo co is another source.
HOJI hole
Yes this is how I run them. Still losing tail clips.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Buy G3 Twin Tip clips, problem solved.
Hoping this solves the problemhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fca234b3f1.jpg
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I like my Pomoca Climb Pros overall but the tail clips suck, especially for twin tips. I kicked them off frequently today on an early season LCC lap using my Bentchetler 120s.
I had ordered G3 twin tip clips earlier, and they showed up this evening. Looks promising, but the purist in me wants to tack down the loose tail strap attachment somehow.
Thoughts? Tiny adhesive magnets? A very small wood screw in the ski and a hole in the Pomoca tail strap?
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Hagan offer their rebranded Contour skins with a tip bungee and fixed tail hook: https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...30584014241827Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
Is there a reason you didn’t go with the Pomoca twin tip tail hooks?Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Tried to get those at SkiMo first… they were supposed to receive this year’s shipment of them in September, but they still don’t have any in house. Damn supply chain issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar
I've tried just putting a small screw in the top sheet of the ski with head sticking out, and using small bungees attached to the tails of skins I would hook on to the screws; worked just fine! ;)
so elegant !
That was an MEC hack from MANY years ago before the skis got fat
you wouldn't happen to be older than dirt would you ?
This is one of those innovations that should become a standard with all ski and skin attachments. It seems as though it could be done on the tip also. They could call it the Hoji Hoji 2 Too kinda like those weird-ass running shoes and then eventually just shorten it to Hoji.Quote:
Originally Posted by myles long
My wife did this for years, looked soo hacky, but she never had any issues with the skin tails popping off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiwurrel
I don’t use any tail attachment and have never had a problem
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Speaking of hacky— I used door handle clips from a ‘72 blazer to attach my tip clips when my new ski’s tips were too big for the old clip.
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Resurrecting old thread. I cut new skins for this season but the tail clips are kind of long so I needed to cut a new "belt loop hole" and in the process I sort of cut off one of the tail straps. They are stupid long anyway so I was going to go skimo and no tail straps.
I am skeptical because if we all really don't need tail straps then why have them? I don't want to find out way out there.
Am I going to die?
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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
As long as you take care of your skins, keep them clean and store them properly the glue will keep them stuck to the base.
I’ve taken multi day hut trips and never had an issue with not having a tail attachment.
Some things that help are cutting the skin so it’s not on the part of the base that doesn’t contact the snow. Keep them in your pocket or inside your jacket after transitions on the descent. Try and keep snow from contaminating the glue during transitions. These are things that can help if you use a tail attachment too.
I think that the elastic type tail attachment can actually work against keeping the skin contact with the base, especially on skis with more camber. What happens when you tension a strap by pulling on both ends?
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This is also how I did the skins for my BC90s, no tail attachment at all. Keep an eye on the glue quality of last 6" or so and reglue that part with gold label occasionally. I also got ski trab tip attachments so I can rip from the tip. So far so good.
Bonus is that you can (sometimes) make this skins a bit shorter, depending on the ski.
I see a number of people out there with super tight tail clips, having to really fight with them when putting their skins on. Invariably they are the ones with skin issues, and I think you're right, enough tension, especially on a traditional shape, will lift the skin off the ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
I always run the tail clips with just enough tension that they don't fall off but put 0 pressure on the skin itself. I've notched the tail of all the skis I own which don't already have a notch and that has done wonders for keeping them on. I also trim quite a bit of skin around the tail so there are no square edges. Haven't had issues in years. Not sure I'm ready to go tail-clip free though. One botched kickturn and the back of the skin is fucked for a while...
Personally I wouldn’t try skinning without tail clips or some tape on hand but I’m a sloppy beater on the skin track. I ruin the glue near the tails because I’m imprecise, I like twin tip skis and we don’t get a ton of snow.
G3 tail clips were the best I’ve found for twin tips and this season I’m experimenting with a semi-diy tail clip for another set this season.
ok thanks I will keep all of this in mind. It will be a good experiment. one ski with a tail clip and the other without!
some guy trying to prove whatever used to cut perfectly good tail clips off
Who are you talking to?Quote:
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I buy skin material and tip loops, I’m not cutting tail clips off.
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I forget who it was but he did