Fucking hell.
http://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/...rush-to-scene/
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Fucking hell.
http://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/...rush-to-scene/
FKNA
Jesus.......Vibes to the families. Can everyone stay resort side till spring? Awful.
jesus. fuck this season.
Holy fuck.
Just saw that. God damn its so bad right now
for those counting, this makes 14 lost souls in the last 8 days. fkna.
i have problems touring with 8 people even in a hut trip with 12
the fact that 8 people found themselves on a avvy prone slope at one time in this current no secret shit snowpack
tragedy of suck
and vibes
Yeah bud, can we fast forward yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
+vibes+
High Danger ?
Party of 8? Guided party or something?
Ive never skied backcountry with 7 others.
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Fuck. Vibes
I thought it was a two different parties but info is not reliable. Maybe one group set off the slide on the others. Maybe not. Maybe it was one group. Maybe not.
I really hope that wasn't the case. Wow. Tragic no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
I saw somewhere that they all knew each other. I've split big groups into smaller groups to manage terrain before. I've also skied in big groups before, not going to play holier than thou here. Will be interesting to hear how group size affected decision making leading up to this.
Interesting observation looking at the terrain in the WBSkiing app vs Caltopo.
The Wilson Peak name hides the majority of the orange shading that indicates the slope is >30° on the WBSkiing map app whereas CalTopo shows the upper 450 feet being >30°.
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If you need to look at one of those ridiculous terrain maps to know that wilson glades is capable of sliding you shouldn't be out on even moderate days.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/02/...ead-millcreek/
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The skier-triggered avalanche swept up eight people in their early twenties to late thirties who were in two groups touring the backcountry, Unified Police Sgt. Melody Cutler said. All eight were swept up in the avalanche.
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Drew Hardesty with the Utah Avalanche Center said the victims were experienced skiers who were well known in the community, calling their deaths a terrible tragedy.
Easy son, its just information for a tie in the greatest loss of life in an avalanche since the mining days around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
Just...what. My god.
I hadn't heard about the incident near Moab that was mentioned in the article. Snowy torrents link for that accident here for anyone who might be curious. https://www.snowytorrents.com/1990s/1992-2/92-5/Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
yeah I know but every time i see a caltopo or gaia map i think someone is trying to finesse their way through unfamiliar avalanche terrain in the wrong conditions. obviously not saying that's what happened in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Wow.
As the story unfolds we are going to end up knowing some of these people.
Wow.
I have never toured in this drainage before. When I heard Wilson Glade I had to look it up. It looked very benign on the WBSkiing map so I decided to cross reference. Benign was not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
This article says it was two separate parties. One of five, one of three.
https://gephardtdaily.com/local/upda...WYa791DwML80Uc
UAC's site has been getting crushed
From the Wasatch thread.
Devastating, but this just screams hubris to me. To make such observations and then go ahead and ski avy terrain, way outside my acceptable risk. RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by tBatt
Holy shit, this is literally nightmare-ish
I’m so sorry you guys.
Just a thought:
If being safe means skiing moguls, giggle and think of this post and hot dog noodle some bumps just for me.
If being safe means liftlines, remember ol’ yetiman: tell jokes, talk trash, tell stories....make it fun!
Let’s all still be alive when the snowpack heals.
A last observation to mention about this accident is that of a simple action that can have a profound impact on consequences has to do with ski pole straps. Yates, Loveridge, Hopkins, Turk all had ski pole straps around their wrists. All died. Biegler’s and Meleski’s straps were off, and they survived. Wrist straps on ski poles (and ice axes for climbers) turn poles into anchors. Hands that are anchored cannot be used to create an airspace or claw away snow to self-rescue.Quote:
Originally Posted by abraham
first thing I do with a new set of poles is remove the straps. lots of folks just use them on the ups but it seems quite possible in yesterday's accident that one of the parties was on the up. plus they look stupid flapping around on the down if they're still attached.
Ditto on the straps.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
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Lots of the newer poles feature breakaway straps now. Or at least all the new Scott’s do.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
I think that if you are relying on pole straps for the difference between life and death then you are really reaching. I agree that the straps keep you from swimming up hill, and act as an anchor as you are being buried, but you should never find yourself in that situation. Sorry. The most important thing is making decisions that place you far from harm's way. Don't travel up hill in a place where it is likely (or even possible) to slide above you. Stay near the tree line. If your ascent is out in the open and below a 35 degree N facing slope, go someplace else. Think of the potential consequences that your route presents before embarking. Don't ski on N, NE, NW facing 30 degree+ aspects when the avalanche center tells you to avoid these ares. This is what I mean by risk tolerance. I am espousing my own personal thoughts and people have different tolerances of risk. I would imagine that if 100 people die in slides in the intermountain west, people will still tour in hazardous conditions. It's human nature. Given the conditions, people are making hasty decisions to ride fresh pow. Many seasoned bc skiers are saying to dial it back. I say fuck the bc right now. I'm glad that I am happy staying inbounds and finding stashes in the trees. The Bird, Alta, PowMow, DV and even PC have been skiing great for the past week. Most of the tragedies are happening on weekend days. I will skin on mellow 25-28 degree slopes and for so many reasons, 99% of my skiing will be done M-F.
It's weird you have a low tolerance for risk but scoff at something that obviously helps to reduce risk. By your line of thinking there's no reason to even beep.
RE: Straps.
I have 1 set of poles. I removed the straps for patrol work, I tour with those poles as well. Its just good practice to remove the straps or have good break-ways if you must have the straps. You are not wrong though, that should not be a margin between living and dying.
Sorry for all the bad shit down there.
Having tried both ways at home, I can also say that it is clumsier to pull the trigger on an airbag while you have a pole strapped to your wrist. Anyway, pole straps in the backcountry is another discussion for a different thread.
Fuck, fuck, fuck...
How awful. RIP to those lost. Everyone else, please stay safe.
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Originally Posted by schindlerpiste
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Not that it would have likely changed the outcome, but the Squaretop fatality report mentioned that the victim was wearing a polestrap and that was the deepest buried part of his body. When his partner was trying to recover him, he exposed his face but was not able to pull the body out of the snow/begin CPR for a few minutes because he had to continue digging to get to the arm/pole strap removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by schindlerpiste