I picked these up on a whim. The shape looks better than I remember last winter. Flex feels pretty good hand flexing, the tips are softer than I remember so we will see.
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I picked these up on a whim. The shape looks better than I remember last winter. Flex feels pretty good hand flexing, the tips are softer than I remember so we will see.
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That ski rips. Along with the K108, probably my top new pick of the 2020 spring testing sessions.
Really interested in trying out some Stance skis as well. I liked Salomon’s Q series, but always wished I could ski 1 size shorter without over-baking the ski. These might be the ticket for harder snow!
I jumped on the stance as well this year. It was a stand out for me as well this year. Can’t wait to get some more time on them this year.
Looks like a great shape. Dig the tail profile.
wait, what year?Quote:
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Echoed.Quote:
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Also, they should've had that tail on the Q-Labs!
I wish they had a 108mm version. Hopefully next year.
Last year. �� broken thoughts and a lack of proof reading can make any look dumb. I don’t need much help to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntblanks
Made a bunch of laps on the Stance 90 and 96 last Spring. Rock-solid platform. Damp, takes lots of pressure in stride, smooth moves in and out of turns and holds a line really well on smooth or junked-out surfaces. Likes to go fast. Quiet on hard surfaces and inspires confidence. Impressive. Grippy trench-digger when asked with business-like attitude rather than playful. Salmon might have a winner with the Stance series... only lacks a bit of zip at the end of the turn, even when loaded with lots of flex. The 102 might be the daily driver for directional fans West of the Mississippi. Good change of personality for Salomon's ski lineup.
Agree something around 110 with this shape would be sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
I'll post some thoughts once I spend a few days on them, but I'm pretty excited to try these out. They seem like a great daily driver for the RFV. Lord knows you only need more float than a 102mm underfoot ski with a shitload of tip rocker can provide about twice a decade in Colorado.
Curious how they stack up to Mantra 102
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That's my question, too. They definitely look cooler. I have some older 187 Bonafide which I like, but don't love. Also have older 190 QLab. If this could give the same gas pedal as the QLab in a more front side ski, it could be the perfect ski to fit the 98mm-102mm slot in my quiver.Quote:
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You’re looking at the wrong 102...try a Mantra M102 191. My 184 M102’s are very reminiscent of a Q-Lab...but with a little looser feel off trail. So good!Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
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Yeah, but I don't get Pro Deal on Volkl. [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
They might be the first pair of skis I own that I put stickers on. Camo on anything (or anyone) is an abomination, IMO.
Or they may get sanded and Krylon'd.
Anybody spent time on these yet this season? Curious to hear some feedback
I have about 8-10 days on my pair of 183's so far. They're mounted on the line with P15's. They're smooth and damp in terms of snow feel. I'm going out to ski them again today, I'll post some more detailed thoughts this evening.
IMHO, they have too much tip rocker (both rise and length) for a ski this skinny. A 102mm underfoot ski should rail hard snow, and these do, if you drive them from a centered stance, but the shovel is so heavily rockered that you really can't ski them aggressively forward, there's just not enough contact with the snow to drive the front of the ski.
For a mixed-conditions, everyday ski that errs more toward charging than playfulness, they're a strong contender, but not quite as frontside/hard snow oriented as I was hoping for.
Maybe I was under the wrong impression about what people use 100mm underfoot skis for, but as someone who hasn't skied anything skinnier than 115mm underfoot for the past 4 or 5 years, I was hoping these would be some Ginsu knives for the boilerplate. Turns out they're more like a Cutco, which isn't a bad thing. An all mountain skis for sure, not a frontside/firm snow specific one.
Have a couple days on the Stance 90's, and they're everything Salomon advertises them to be. Frightening that I'm reaching for these over my Ripsticks... I usually hate skis with metal, but these are not dead-damp. They're quiet, but not like the crypt. Very happy with them.
Also - my first set of Warden 13's on these boards, and I find ZERO flaws with them so far. They ski at least as good as the Attack 13's I have on everything else.
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Anybody have more time on these? Local shop has the 96’s on sale. The 102 looks good too. Im assuming its better to size up rather than down given the rocker profile.
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Picked up the 96s in a 182 and imo they do not ski short. Granted im on the E.C. but couldn't see me on the 188s. These do everything great for me, damp but lively...good tweener ski for me. Legend 106s for snow days, volkl deacon 84 for firm corduroy.
I have the stance 96 in 182. Little over 6 ft, 195 lbs (without gear). Skiing them this year only on the east coast.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinnepa
Great all-around skis. They pretty much do everything well, very nice suspension, enough float i powder, and I don’t find the tail punishing at all. I’d be happy taking them into tight woods, ripping icy/firm groomers, up to 4-5 inches of powder - they do everything very very well. Not the most exciting skis, but on the other hand are easier to ski than others and strong enough to push hard.
Compared to the 183 Bonafide 97, Mantra 102 (177) and new M6 in 184 - the stance 96 is easier to ski. The others have better edge grip and a much higher top end. But they’re also more demanding - the bonafide and M6 are a little harder in bumps, and the Mantra 102 requires a bit more attention. You can relax on the stance 96 and not pay attention and be OK. The others are more “game-on” skis.
If I had to pick one ski out of all of them as my only ski, I might take the 184 M6. But I’d really hate to give up the m102 because I think its just a ridiculously good ski in all conditions - it has a speed limit in that length but there is no reason I need to go more than 50, 60 mph. And I find the M102 to be super maneuverable in bumps, trees, all conditions. Then again I also love my Bonafides and would happily ski them other than in extremely tight trees.
All great skis. The stance is more relaxed than the others while retaining a lot of the benefits, but isn’t quite as exciting and doesn’t have the highest gear that the Völkls and new Bonafide do. If precision is important and you’re a strong advanced skier, I would go Bonafide or Volkls. If you don’t need the highest top end and most precise skis, then the stance would be fine.
If you’re looking at the stance 96, also check out the dynastar m-pro. Took me a while to realize how capable these are. At 186 they float better, are easy to pivot in tight terrain, handle bumps very well and I’d have no issue taking them through any trees.
Liked the 96 so much I'm grabbing the 90 as well....suprise of the year for me.
I was a CC purchase away from doing the same (but getting 96's since I have 90's), but decided on the Nordica Soul Rider 97, as I wanted something just a bit more playful, and was really enjoying them as tele boards, so I duplicated them in the alpine quiver. To be fair, I have no doubt that some Stance 96's will be in my future quiver however...Quote:
Originally Posted by cinnepa
Slowroastin - the Stance is a ski that skis pretty true to length, so I would try to demo if you can. I'm glad I went with the 182cm in the 90 and I'm 6', 195# without gear. They have no problems being ridden hard and show no signs of being overpowered. Knowing that, I'm definitely in the NO camp as far as sizing up.
^^^^agree on sizing.
How do these compare to say an enforcer 100?
I personally like the stance 102 in 183 more than the E100 in 186. E100 is versatile, but I kind of view the stance as cross between the E100 and E104, if that makes sense. If you have good technique I think its just as maneuverable as the E104 in bumps and trees, while also being able to “charge” as well as the E100. It’s also a better floated than the E100. Also, the graphics are way cooler in the stance line IMHO. E100 is a more energetic carver (get more energy from the tail out of turns).
I think the stance 102 in 183 is like a slightly toned down, more maneuverable, more woody feeling Mantra 102 (184), with a less metallic feel and more rocker. Really like the ski.
You want the mantra 102. It’s a hattori Hanzo, even on NE ice and refrozen crud. First time i got on them, it had been under 0 degrees for a few days and was windswept with no new snow so super firm and icy. I laid some of the best trenches I’ve ever made and had a 50 ft high trail of cold smoke behind me. Like nothing I’ve ever experienced. I thought I should give them away or I’m going to kill myself, but there was absolutely zero chance of that. After a few days, realized they’re incredibly versatile and can be skied at slower speeds, great in trees and bumps (I sized down to 177), blast through heavy wet snow just as well as they blast through everything else. Only very minor complaint is that sometimes I don’t enjoy the metallic feel, but I don’t notice it now unless it’s super cold (prefer the feel/sound of the bonafide 97, for example, which is also an unbelievably good ski).
One thing about the 102 - it is stiff throughout, but has nice flex - it’s sort of more inclined to flex in the middle (bend in half) rather than just at the tip. I think its how they get it to be so unflappably secure at ridiculously high speeds but also feel forgiving. Love these skis in big tight bumps (again, I sized down).
new ski, but has anyone tried the Praxis Slugger yet, 102 mm as well, and looks to have less tip rocker length
I/ve only skied my GPO's for the last 5-6 years. so looking for something in the low to mid-100's waist width.
Just picked up the stance 102 in the 190 length. They did not have as much tail rocker as I expected. The tip rocker is interesting, it is kinda low and long. I was thinking about mounting them at +2 because 190 is on the long side for me. Has anymore played with the mounting point on these?
The rocker profile of this is the inverse of a mullet: party in the front, all business in the back. The tips want to slide, smear, pivot, slarve, whatever, but the tails don't like to do anything but carve. I think the ski could use a little less tip rocker, or a little more tail rocker, but as it is now, it feels unbalanced because the "personalities" of the tips and tails are so different.
I think Salomon created a really cool and unique ski with the Stance series. They aren't tanks but have some beef and the (relatively) soft flexes seem to match up well with the weights. The 102 is the outlier though, but only because of that tip rocker. I think they should have stuck more to the tip rocker profile of the narrower sizes.Quote:
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I had a few days on stance 90s now and found them to be super powerful responsive and dead stable
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Yes, they are a ton of fun. End up with +1 but the recommend line is also good as well. The tips are soft enough that you can bend the ski into a lot of different turn shapes but still burly enough to let them run in crud/chop/whatever. I have a pair of enforcer 104s in 186 and the stance is more stable at speed than the enforcer(not sure how much of this is due to the length differences), the stance has more of a damp feel, if that makes sense.Quote:
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Thanks this is great to know. I wish they made this ski in a wider platform, but I still want to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by troth
Yeah I would be curious to see what a wider stance might be like but Salomon does have the Blank coming out which is 110 but I think it is a bit of a different animal than the stance series.Quote:
Originally Posted by AEV
Out of curiosity why...? I skied the 90 and 96 and loved the ski... They are a great ripping zoomer groomer ski that do ok off piste... If you want a wider version Dynastar and several other companies make a ski that you are asking about and have not sold great... I bought 192 106 Cochises for nothing and there are still LP Pros for the same price on Corbett’s... Stiff, chargey skis with metal do not sell great... Thank god as that is what I like and always get them cheap...
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