Anyone try it? I won't be buying but it looks like cool tech. They should add a shock feature for tailgunners though.
https://getcarv.com/
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Anyone try it? I won't be buying but it looks like cool tech. They should add a shock feature for tailgunners though.
https://getcarv.com/
Sounds cool, but I could probably achieve the same feedback by recording audio of myself saying "get the fuck out of the backseat" every thirty seconds and get the same effect.
Sign me up for that too!! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by tgapp
That’s actually pretty cool tech if it’s done properly.
Doubt it’s worth it for a decent skier, unless you’re the alpine zone type.
I could see buying one for my 12 yo. Back seat tailgunner. Might help him to have a bot whispering in his ear to get forward.
Same as the cost of one lesson these days.
Pugski website prolly has more info
Edit: https://www.pugski.com/threads/carv.8407/
Well, if you can't use foot feedback or know your skiing posture instinctively, might be for you. Made for the skier demographic that's clogging roads and over-populating the cafeterias. The fucking Peleton of footbeds is here! Shouldn't it call you out though if you're skiing recklessly or jong-like? Does it know any filthy jokes?
I can't wait till I'm skiing powder and a little voice tells me to really get over on my edges. What a fantastic pile of unnecessary bullshit.
I think if you’re the type of person running a ski lesson from your phone on a POW day, this system is probably for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Once again, not buying. But if there was a free demo tent on a groomer day, I’d take a couple laps with them. Curious if anyone tried them and if I should I skip a demo if there ever is one and head to the bar?
I guess.
It is actually quite amusing watching the 'carve time' increasing as the turn is skidded.
I didnt try it, but a similar Forward Ski system was being marketed to race teams for the last 10yrs or so.. More or less a pressure sensor in the boot with feedback to an ear piece to encourage staying in the front of the boot. Doesnt really translate to pow skiing imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Not unless you're skiing with Pescados. Too bad I'm lazy and never want to haul them up. You can really drive those guys in pow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mofro261
So. The wife got these to me as a gift, a comment on my 'runaway dump truck' form (that incidentally gets me down the mountain faster than her). On the one hand, dumb! But on the other I'm tempted by the novelty and need for external validation. Anyone with beta on whether they gave any useful feedback?
What ya wanna know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
www.SkiwithaGrimRipper.com is my Carv coaching biz.
Take them out on a groomer day and you’ll know if I like the gizmo or not. I am a data junky, ski groomers a lot alone so Carv has been fun to have. They’ve been promising bumps and poweder modes; till then it is only for carving hardpack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Ok. Like I'm obviously not into banging gates but I'll use a low tide day to work on setting a good edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
1) What exactly is the objective of the device? What is the ideal that it is supposed to be pushing you towards?
2) I don't have a "carv'ing"-appropriate ski in my quiver. Does that impact functionality?
3) What happens when you venture off piste? Will it yell at you, freak out, turn off or all of the above?
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Originally Posted by Huskydoc
im gonna go out on a limb here and answer question 1 for you, I believe the device is trying to make you a better skier.
it’s a mr. meseeks type of device… if nothing else, it definitely will help you take two strokes off your swing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...;v=5yoH5G2SQbg
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Originally Posted by Huskydoc
1) The device is designed to standardize instructions & offer legit tips & ideas for the progressing skier. The algorithm was written by a buddy- Eric Lipton, PSIA dev team. So if ya google you can see him ski & that’s what the aim is sorta. It’s a ribbon style, high transition series of turns that scores higher. Paradoxically- It dings lo transition, racy fall line turns.
2) if ya wanna use it like Strava (I don’t suggest this), 12m SL skis on a 23 degree pitch FTW. I say the groom is > than the ski, so that’s there too. It’s best to compare yourself against yourself. I use it to say - “it’s muffin & coffee break time” or this shit is too much for me this early.
3) Off piste, ya get all the metrics- but not the high scores, so again intra rated effects are still valid. It’s great for telling ya that one turn is stronger or that you fatigue out after 10 runs & need to scale it back.
It’s kinda taken off & is a life of its own. Last season, > 150 SkiIQ / Grim Rippers were pulling $400/ hour teaching. I’m a destination rehab / hi performance coach, so I jumped in on this too, but found most clients just were happier if I deposited em at the bar & plugged their trackers into my boots & took 2 runs to move em up the leaderboard.
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
"Paradoxically- It dings to transition, racy fall line turns."
"I use it to say - “it’s muffin & coffee break time” or this shit is too much for me this early."
Please explain these.
No problem! The app likes ski instructor turns that use a tall up & down motion. If you keep ur hip LOW - it penalizes the score. Also in really technical SL, the skis start the new turn ahead of the finish of the old & you get demerits for not a full parallel competition. Also if you perform cross under SL or mogul style turns, you score less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeless Sinner
When I see (or hear the chairlift audio) that my performance plummeted, it’s time for a break.
Re transitions-
Carv loves this :
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& hates this:
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I've seen the ads for this, and as someone who didn't grow up skiing and never raced I am curious. I've never taken a formal lesson, I probably should. But I like the idea that I could get some feedback when lapping solo on firmer days.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
You think it's worth it for that purpose?
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Originally Posted by Pinned
If you like tech n data yes. There are 2 main downsides to Carv as I see it.
A) it is a behavioral change app & it commands a lot of attention; I would find myself focused on Carv & not the skiing. You can game the system & there is a lot of spam / noise that comes w the data.
B) it really only likes one turn…. You may not ski this way & that’s Okay!
I played around with one for a bit. It's interesting information, but as others noted, it only understands one type of turns.
If you ski off piste, it tells you that you suck. If you arc carves on a 15m or so ski, you score big points.
It also takes up a LOT of room inside your boots and is 1mm higher at the heel than the forefoot which messes with your fore/aft balance if you are the type that pays attention to that angle stuff.
The advice it gives is good and accurate, but you also find yourself trying to ski to please it and collect higher scores.
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
Thanks, got it. Sounds interesting, might make the gaps in storms a bit more useful.
Appreciate the feedback - I don't think I currently have a ski that would play nicely with what they're looking for. Maybe it'll make more sense when they expand how they measure / assess. Seems cool though!Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
So .... will it phreak out with free heel bindings???
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
yeah for someone who wanted to try it. I have no room in my boot and no way of making more room.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jummo
The ramp being that off is kinda of silly as well.
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Originally Posted by Bushwacka
They hint at it, but ya really need a dedicated boot. I had to grind the bootboards & create all sorts of space, thus I now have a carv boot.
you can put yer weed in there…
It is cool to use with filming for technical analysis, for looking at things like left/right, fore/aft, early edge engagement, etc. we had someone follow with a GoPro and the Bluetooth earpiece and they would say aloud the number that it feeds to match with the video so we could sync the video and data.
But like others pointed out, you really need to use a boot with bootboards that have been “CARVed” out to fit the system. It’s painful and cold otherwise.
CARV app is pestering me to 'refer a friend and they get $75 off. Ends in 4 days'. If anyone interested, use this link:
https://getcarv.com/refer/401556a3-a...ent=sharesheet
I received this for a Christmas gift. 3 days use so far
First, easy to fit in my boots, just like a 1/8in footbed, I put them in a never noticed a difference in fit.. I've been skiing 45+ yrs, never a lesson, avg 30-40 days @ yr. You can turn it on or off for powder days so relax but for between storms its fun to use.
After very run you can listen or read reviews and tips while riding the lift, even videos on what you need to work on, instant feed back.
This is for carving turns, hence the name. My first day was free ski mode to set a baseline which told me my balance needed work. Basically I was too front pressure heavy thru out the turn causing tails to skids on exit...who knew? I spent 2 hr on a balance day, improved my "score" 20% over a 8 run set then I turned it off and free skied. When you do a training day you can pick from a list on the app on what you want to work on, edge angle, balance, etc. Free mode just records everything for later training. It counts turns, Vert Speed Distance time, what chair you rode and trail name. From my little bit of use, just after a few hrs training it did help me carry the info over and I felt better centered on my skis while skiing the trees etc. Ive spent more money on a lot less useful piesec of crap.
Bump. Any updated thoughts on Carv? Clicked on a video of Carv skiing with Ted Ligety and found the data interesting, but not enough to buy it at this point. Plus, watching Ligety ski is always fun. :yourock:
Curious if any mags have updated thoughts on it.
https://youtu.be/qJpvz-9SZcc?si=iPXQMI2OuTSsTmod
I don’t know anything about it but they’ve been filming with a group of spannsered skiers here in Aspen over the last few weeks, seems mostly off-piste. So im wondering if they’re tweaking/expanding their offering beyond pretty corduroy feedback
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Iriponsnow has used carve. we talked about it a bit. i was interested in it, but it kinda sounds like it wants you to ski perfect all the time and have consistent turns and pressures. i could see it as a good learning to ski better tool for sure. even if they are working on it for skiing off piste, its still going to be a shit show, unless you have time and desire to lap a trail and learn it to the point of skiing knowing every bump, dip and dive.
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball
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I have used the carve system and thought it was dope, BUT…
They stack your foot up in the boot pretty high so if you already have a tight boot it’s gonna hurt. Also they don’t have a sync tool for video matching so what we did was have someone follow with a GoPro and shout the numbers they heard in their earpiece (the camera man had the ear piece). Then we synced the numbers to the video/audio and could watch the data with the video so you could SEE what good/bad was instead of just feeling it.
It’s valuable data/learning for me as an instructor, but due to the discomfort I found them unusable, and was considering grinding down boot boards to have the system set into the board itself, but then I got lazy and didn’t buy them.
But then I saw the atomic Hawx “connected” boot that seemed to provide similar data and tools to carv, but by the time I’d learned of it, they had discontinued it.