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Sad. Seems like its happening less at kicking horse and rmr these days. Hopefully the word is out and it was just a few years of expansion growing pains
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Reaffirms my always having a working lighter on me
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I’d tweak out. Glad he lived to tell.
Glad he lived and glad he's not suing the rescue services for his own poor decisions like that guy from 2009 did.
Where is the stream bed that he ended up in? Superbowl sidecountry side or Feuzbowl? It's not really clear to me the way how it is shown in the video. Amazing story and glad he lived.
The stream bed he ends up in is called Canyon Creek. It runs along the entire backside of Kicking Horse and can be seen on Google Maps. I've never skied at Kicking Horse but it appears you could end up in Canyon Creek from any of the bowls by going directly off the back of the mountain and dropping down.
Waaay down
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Damn, brings back chilling memories for me. It happened to me at revelstoke and I spent the night down by the river. I learned the hard way and have really changed my planning and rules for BC. Glad he made it and I’m forever grateful to BC SAR
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Sketchy. Skis vs. snowboard would have helped a lot in that situation.
Dam. How’d you stay warm?Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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I put hands in trail mix bag to create vapor barrier. Put arms inside jacket under arm pits and also kept blood flowing in my legs with movement. Was really sore. Main challenge was staying awake but knew I couldn’t sleep or I would not wake up. Played mind games and blew my safety whistle a lot. It was a long night and still get cold was sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
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Glad you survived the night ^^.
That dudes story was frightening, would hate to see how he was acting after several nights out. Losing a foot is a high price to pay fro a mistake following tracks.
Man. I began a panic attack just watching the video. Something similar happened to me a few years ago. I skied off the top of the resort down into the BC after a 2-foot dump. The wind had erased my tracks and the evergreens were so weighed down with ice and snow I could not find the trail back to the resort after skinning back up. I kept running into tight dead ends and having to skin backwards in deep snow. Fortunately, I found my way out of the maze before it got dark.
Doesn't it bother you that people who get themselves in trouble are so often people who are from somewhere else? They put our local SAR people at risk due to their own poor judgment. Is ignorance an excuse? Should Darwin prevail?
What's wrong with being from somewhere else? Xenophobic much?Quote:
Originally Posted by apex dave
To be more specific, by 'somewhere else' I mean somewhere without mountains and therefore they are also without the knowledge and skills to know what they are doing in them and the consequences for failure. Just ask Whistler or the North Shore SAR how many tourists they have saved from their own stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtflyer
Not ski related but I got stuck in the bush and spent an unplanned night totally unprepared in freezing temps a coupa years ago. Got wet and cold. Was a shivering mess till dawn when i walked out 18kms to civilization. Couldn't really handle the cold for a full year; was pretty traumatized and the body just couldn't take it. Started Wim Hof breathing and cold water immersion to begin resetting the mind and body this summer. Seems to be working...sure as hell wasn't easy but confronted the deep fear and changed the physiology. Kinda love the cold now. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
SAR is there to help people. Number one goal on a SAR operation should always be rescuer safety. I understand what you are trying to say, but you're coming across as a total prick. Ignorance is not an excuse, but no one is perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by apex dave
What we can do is educate, mentor, and help people we run into in the mountains that look like they could use it. People who go into the mountains unprepared sometimes die, but to say they deserve it is awfully shallow.
we have mountains in the east. that guy from ontario that got lost at whiteface wasn’t found for like three months!Quote:
Originally Posted by apex dave
At the San Francisco airport!Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
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This. People sometimes act like it's cool or something to feel bad for SAR when they get called out. Sure, maybe if it's a false call out like a SPOT misuse or something then that sucks for everyone involved. But if someone's legit lost? That's 100% what SAR is there for and why those men and women signed up to be on SAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by snowaddict91
The only part I feel bad about is that SAR is nearly 100% volunteer. Many of those people are missing work to be out there unpaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive
Also, I didn't mention this in my last post but shaming people about calling SAR can also create another issue- putting off calling until it is too late or almost too late. This issue can directly affect rescuer safety. Anyone in the field will tell you they would rather be called too early or put on standby vs. waiting too long.
Stop making stupid people famous:
Idiot. Plain and simple. Every single year there's at least one death from yahoos coming to the Rockies from Quebec (and sometimes Ontario) to get rad and the die because they can't or won't follow simple directions or signage.
"heh, heh i move to the montagnes to get the sponcership and film ze movies''
As mentioned in the article it's a great way to get rid of your wife if that's your thing.
Honestly man, it's the same conversation everywhere there are mountains (despite my joke ^^^) but do you want people just dying in your backyard?Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
49 people rescued in one season at one of the 50 ski areas in tiny Vermont... by February?:
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...rails/5536191/
Article complaining about the cost of rescue from 1982 on Mount Washington:
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/02/u...s/default.aspx
The mountains take even our most badass climbers, this guy was more accomplished at 26 than I ever hope to be:
https://www.outsideonline.com/230677...-andre-leclerc
Meanwhile you look at these places, how many people would be able to live and work in revy without tourism, 1/15th?
This is beyond silly. Are you proposing that SAR respond only to call-outs for locals? Only for the well-prepared?Quote:
Originally Posted by apex dave
No need to feel sorry for searchers. They volunteer to help those in need, no matter where the subject is from or how ill-prepared they are.
It is frustrating when a subject makes their situation worse by making increasingly poor decisions. Dehydration, panic, and exhaustion tend to seriously impair judgment, even for folks who are mountain savvy.
Searchers would always rather help than sit by and watch someone potentially suffer. The subject has probably already learned an important lesson by the time SAR is activated.
I am eternally grateful to BC SAR and learned a ton from my mistake. I have learned to be more prepared and have better gear with a plan. If I don’t know I don’t go.
I plan to volunteer with my local SAR and hope I can help. I talked with my friend who is 12 yr SAR volunteer and he said he does it to help people whether they were stupid or not. I made a stupid choice and share my story in hopes others won’t make the same mistake.
SAR rocks!!!!!!!
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Pretty smart given the circumstances...especially the trail mix bag. Gotta improvise sometimes. Glad to hear you made it out okay!Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
First rescue of the season, in your face BC!
https://www.escaladequebec.com/deux-...-mt-lafayette/
but people can learn from their mistakes...Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
^^^ the flaw in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by COformtn
see: the ever increasing number of selfie deaths
Which leads us back to...
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Originally Posted by waxman
Here's another: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-sar-1.5413276
Gets lost on the last run of the day Monday, doesn't attempt to turn around and follow his tracks back until 1AM on Tuesday
Why not just turn around in the first 30 minutes you think you are lost :confused:
I got 2 friends who have spend a night each in Revelstoke woods
Been testing this ghetto emergency shelter system. Been mulling over the basic concept for a while now and this thread was part of the inspiration to get ideas out of the head and onto the snow. Could save a life or at least provide a bit more comfort in a worst case scenario. The goal was/is to design a super lightweight, air/waterproof, compressible, packable overnight winter survival shelter and figure out a reliable, long lasting heating source so that no extra clothing layers are required for a (relatively) comfortably warm overnight experience.
I speculate that something around 3lbs is a reasonable weight for a package that will always live in the backpack in case of an outlier event that may require an unplanned overnighter. I'm not there yet weight wise but somewhat in a reasonable starting point ballpark.....
320 cm long, medium weight polyethylene. Rectangle section folded in half and taped at the seam.
Total weight including tape = 320 grams on the kitchen scale.
I employed stuff you'd usually have on hand for a day of ski touring to maintain the shelter's form factor and for closing off of either end with adjustable vents allowing for horizontal air flow.
Tea light candles for heating...just used them for testing proof of concept...minus 18C outside with moderate to strong, gusty, northerly outflow winds buffeting the shelter...inside temp got to plus 12.4 degrees C with 15 candles burning. Need a better heat source though...they were somewhat unreliable....quite few flamed out randomly.
This is all just super rough prototyping...have lots of level changes in materials, form, design, gram shaving, etc... yet to come...but...as is, it's good enough to always carry in my pack just in case.
Testing was performed in the back yard with no solar effect. I didn't stay in the tube for longer than an hour at a time. Ran out of time for further refinements and overnight testing.
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upper body/back lays on backpack, butt and lower legs get insulated by ski skins and short foam pad
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door closure system with a small vent
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temp of plus 1C outside, temp of plus 18.5C inside within a few minutes of ignition of 13 tea light candles. Used a small, light rechargeable fan to move the air around so heat was homogenous with no cold layers in the airspace.
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after a few more minutes, temp got up to a steady 21 degrees....with two vent holes open and multiple tears in the walls.
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10 candles in a plastic bag and I'm worried about CO even with vent holes.
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Originally Posted by snowaddict91
future version of existing setup for testing: full mitigation of any emmissions issues via breathing tube through the 'door' hole to outside air/face mask combo. Win/win/dual purpose 'cause i also wanna eliminate the introduction of humidity into the airspace from breathing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
"Falls asleep among the candles and set himself on fire"
How about one or two Candle Lanterns
Or
Thanks for thinking about safety
Our stoopid midwest ski area calls any ungroomed area “backcountry”, cut runs inbounds at a ski area they call “backcountry”, so there’s a whole lot of people here who are learning that word has no association with danger or being prepared in any way. There are alarming cliff and danger type signs all over mild terrain. Someday one of these people from here will get himself killed out west because these idiots at our local hill taught them the “backcountry” and “cliff area”s are not anything to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
I’ve been harping on this for awhile, nobody cares...they think I’m a crazy person.
not really interested in open flame heat source for final/future versions. candles and camp stove were just for concept testing....i'm working on alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel