This is overdue. Bikes have their own thread for a while now. And need to seperate the musk shitshow thread from all the mfgs coming out with battery cars now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...agship-s-class
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This is overdue. Bikes have their own thread for a while now. And need to seperate the musk shitshow thread from all the mfgs coming out with battery cars now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...agship-s-class
I've got Tesla fever, I want one bad - but I don't want to lay out that much cash, even for a used one. I'm not that crazy about other EVs on the market since they do not have the same range, autopilot capabilities, charging infrastructure, or safety accolades. In other words, it's cool to be electric, but Teslas are way cooler because of all the other futuristic shit they have. E-tron, Taycan, Leaf, etc don't hold a candle to Teslas - except that they have a much better dealer network and mechanics/parts/bodyshop availability.
Rivian looks super cool, but that's vaporware until they've been on the road a few years. Until then they are concept cars and more likely to end up like Fiskers on the scrap heap of what coulda been.
I'm stoked that Ford is (reportedly) close to releasing an all electric F-150. More F-150s are sold annually than almost any car, so this could make a nice wedge in the market. I work next to a huge Intel facility full of "knowledge workers" wityh soft hands and no mud on their boots, but the lot is packed with big pick ups and SUVs - convert enough of those drivers to electric without taking away their big trucks and that's good news for the climate and noise pollution.
Just here to post in this soon to be epically contentious thread.
Samesies brah
Baker does it best....
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All electric Ford Mustang SUV...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...mpression=true
steep, surely this is all just a lefty conspiracy to get us all in clean cars that will destroy the economy and turn us into communists? Right? The V8 thread for real americans is nearby.
Still can't wrap my head around the idea of a British electric car. Similar for VW, those often have weird electrical issues too.
That is pretty funny. Triumph motorcycles are notorious for that nightmare also.Quote:
Originally Posted by riser3
heh, imagine a british electric car wtih lucas electronics.... Would work better as a paperweight. That said, my v8 thread is just for kicks, the future is clearly electric. So much better from many angles, launching torque, maintenance, drivetrain simplicity, etc...
Tesla racing channel. Dude smokes everything in sight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRICKM03Sc
Just bought a Leaf to go with our XC70. I don't love it but I dislike it less than I expected. I do love how little it should cost to run. $17.5k after rebates and incentives. Wife can charge for free at work.
Supposedly there are a number of all-electric SUV's coming on the market in the next few years. I'm looking at something around 2021 or so.
I work from home, so no commute. My wife has a very short commute. We go to Mammoth 2, sometimes three times a month. Most of the mileage on my car in a given year is from those Mammoth trips, so I do need something that will charge in a reasonable amount of time. Tesla has charging stations in several places on the way up to Mammoth, the real question is how much time it will add to the trip. We are often able to leave for our weekend trips on Friday morning, I am used to leaving at 4 am, but it would suck to have to leave early in order to get the same amount of time on the hill. If we can't get out in the morning, but can get out around 130 in the afternoon on Friday that is fine, a charging stop does not cut into my ski time at that point and I don't mind a stop if I am outside of the LA basin, above the traffic. If we can't get out by 2 on Friday we usually leave at 4 am on Saturday, once again I don't like the idea of having to get up earlier on Saturday, or lose some ski time. We are planning to take our house solar soon, so just about all of my local miles will be from solar energy at home, but I do hope things improve to the point where I can make things work for the Mammoth trips.
In case anyone is interested, here is a map of the Tesla charging stations.
https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&sea...charger&zoom=9
Here is some info on Tesla supercharging stations and other electric cars:
https://thedriven.io/2019/04/03/can-...a-ev-chargers/
I do hope the industry starts to settle on some things soon. It would be really nice to be able to get one of the new SUVs coming out and use a Tesla supercharging station. I would think that it would be in Tesla's best interests to get others on board with using their superchargers, they already have a ton of them, it might be a good stream of revenue as electric cars become bigger and bigger.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
A buddy cracked up his Tesla. Six months to get body parts.
That was funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
I could see myself in an e-car if it has long range and can be fast charged without having to go out of my way to find a fast charger. I have days where I do 4-600 miles with 3-5 stops so if any of those stops of an hour or more can be charging stops it starts to make more sense even if they're not fast chargers.
Answer: A metric kilowatt shit ton. My 2 friends that have Teslas in the Bay Area do not take them to Tahoe. Typically another car is in all the stations they want to use, so...Quote:
the real question is how much time it will add to the trip
battery life when in sub-zero temps and you want to heat you vehicle’s interior....?
That is what scares me.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
Here is an article on road tripping with a Tesla:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/.../#1366f4e87a7f
I read another one about a guy who wanted to prove you could drive cross country in a Tesla. Woah, what a pain in the ass. He only could do it because he had nothing but time. A few times he drove way out of his way and basically hung out or slept in the car till he could get a charge, then went to a hotel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Long duc dong
I drive 230 miles over 2 mountain passes in the winter a lot. So for me the tech is almost there, but...
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Looked into a Leaf, but got better deal on a TDI. If I lived in town owning an ebike and e car would be high on my list.
Keep the truck/awd wagon for skiing. Would do all charging at home.
I intrigued by the planned electric VW bus. I.D. Buzz. Ugly as sin, but I like that. However, it is a VW, so it's something I would only want to drive under warranty unless I had enough money not to care. The specs are pretty cool.
my sisters father in law has a Tesla, he had to wait in no where's ville texas while it recharged on a trip from Houston to Austin and back with my sister and her son waiting with him, Austin is less than 200 miles from Houston.
yep, electric cars are great.
Planning is not his strong suit eh?
he's still got to charge again in that kind of trip and load capacity on a Tesla means everyone waits as opposed to gas vehicles, unless you want to see another Tesla blow up; you could try increasing the load rate then.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Wait! Wait!!! An electric Land Rover Defender is in the works. Save your spare change.
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_bri...lectric-hybrid
Well, yeah, it’s British, but...
Range anxiety in not a concern for me - my other family car is gasoline powered so that's the longer road trips (or otherwise concerned about range) vehicle. Trips from Portland to Seattle, up to Hood or out to the coast, and the like would all be fine with a Tesla or similar range EV.
Most families with more than one car could likely go electric for one of their cars without much pain. I keep trying to tell my parents this and they don't seem to get it, one car is your in-town golf cart and the other is your longer range vehicle.
A friend worked for the Lung Association in New Brunswick and they did a project monitoring car usage - it showed that 90% or more of trips in any car were less than 25 miles, which is easily in range for EVs and leaves plenty of opportunity for charging overnight. Then they had a car show where they convinced EV owners to bring their Teslas, Leafs, Bolts, etc to their lot and lots of people came to see the dozen or so electric cars - almost everyone said they wouldn't buy one because of range anxiety for the 3 times per year they drove a long distance. Most of those folks live in households with more than one car. What gives? Why can't people put the pieces together?
All the people who own Teslas do. Probably most of the people who own Leafs, i8s, Bolts/Volts, etc. do. Even people who don't put the pieces together buy these things then somehow can't understand the concept and try and drive them for 400 mile round trips with no plan to recharge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinum Pete
I've put the pieces together, and I want my nice car to be the one I drive back and forth to my cabin, not my grocery getter.
I've been driving a Leaf as my commuter car/grocery getter. It's cheap enough that it is not my "nice" car. It's also dirt fucking cheap to own and operate. Because of the steep depreciation curve, you can pick up used 3 year old lease returns with 30k on the odometer for 10 grand, give or take.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
The total cost of ownership math gets really friendly, really fast. I've never had an oil change or a brake job. At 60k, I've gone through one set of tires and one cabin air filter. Oh, and a set of wiper blades. Stack that on top of the fuel savings and the cheap purchase price, and I figure it's mile-for-mile the cheapest thing I could drive.
By the time I hit 100k on it, the battery degradation will probably destine it for the great Panasonic recycling facility in the sky unless there are legit aftermarket battery pack refurb options by then. But that's fine. I'll just buy another one for 10 grand again.
my neighbor does a 400 mile each way trip every other weekend with his X. says he doesn't mind the 30-60 minutes to recharge in the middle, times it with a meal. it'd drive me nuts.
replacing pads on an economy car is <$100 in parts. changing the oil <$25. not saying that's nothing but many cars are dirt cheap to own these days.
most exciting new electric car is the electric renault kwid >100 mile range for $9,000 new.
So based on that one incident electric cars suck? Brilliant logic. Way to go there R.A. Fisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiCougar
I remember reading an online response relating to the question of whether or not lefties tend to have sloppy hand writing. This one genius commented that because he/she knew a lefty with neat handwriting the theory that lefties tend to have sloppy hand writing was false.
I know lots of people who have Teslas who have made longer trips VERY easily. Many of them do so on a regular basis with some planning. This incident is either a one off, in which case you should not make serious inferences based on it, or this guy is not much of a planner. That is putting it mildly.
Obviously there are kinks to be worked out. That does not mean the electric cars suck.
Pretty sure my next car will be one. I wanted this car that is a year and a half old to be one but...
That would not bother me either, if I could time it with a meal and leave every Friday afternoon by 2 pm. The problem for me is on the weekends when I have to leave at 4 am on Saturday, the charging time could cut into my ski day, although if I could do partial charges it would not be that bad. Part of the problem is that I am in Newport Beach, so the traffic through LA means I really can't leave at 5 pm, if I can't leave by 2 I wait until the next morning. Waking up at 330 am sucks, waking up at 3 would be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
I think I will be able to make it all work in about 5 years, things just might not be quite there yet.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20.../#more-1688326
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There are actually 26 states that presently impose fees upon EV owners and, according to Consumer Reports, 11 charge more than the amount drivers of similar, gas-powered cars pay in gas taxes, with 3 charging more than twice the average amount. Another dozen states are considering adding fees, with CR’s own research stipulating that 10 would require electrics to pay more than they would if they were powered by gasoline.
This is scary indeed. The Brits do not know how to wire stuff. I own a Range Rover. I am confounded by the electronics in that thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Ah, it's all adding up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timberridge
Any experience here with plug-in hybrid AWD cars? I have excess solar capacity on my house and a 14 mile commute but then usually take kids to practice, etc. Outlander has a 14 mile all electric range, Crosstrek XV has a 17 mile all electric range. I want AWD and be able to tow something small (1500 pounds) short distances and use a hitch bike rack. I have 3 kids.
Then I want to drive ~250 miles each way to the mountains almost every winter weekend, and some midweek storms.
With both of these cars, if I do the ~15 miles/day all electric for free-ish (I sell back excess, but not for much), that saves me like .5 gallons of gas, or like $1.50/day. I commute 4 days/week so like $6/week or $24/month or $300/year (Subary says 350/year but that's the hybrid vs regular).
Regular base crosstrek starts at like 21k, hybrid at 35k (maybe 29k after tax break and maybe some others). So say it's 8k more, at 350/year that's 22.8 years! I just don't see the math working. It still has an ICE engine so I will still have to do oil changes etc.
Am I missing something?
Nope. Sounds like you've pretty much nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhyatt
There is no doubt it does not make financial sense...yet. It's like buying healthy organic food in the 90's.
Toyota's new RAV4 Hybrid is not a plug-in hybrid but it only costs $800 more than the AWD gas only RAV4. The $800 payback is fairly short when comparing 40 mpg combined versus 28 mpg combined. Plus, most reviews say the hybrid RAV4 is faster and drives better.
So yeah, prices will probably drop and then it will make financial sense for plug-ins too.