2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

About that time of year again. New Discussion for the 2018-19 Praxis Skis lineup

http://praxisskis.com/

Post in this thread for general stoke, questions, mounting information, and reviews for Praxis Skis.

If you're a new Praxis purchaser, you can get a referral link from from members on here to create your account and get 15% off your first order. Win-win for everyone. Myself or other members will gladly send a link for the code if you private message us on here.

Below are past Praxis Threads with tons of great info in them. Also check out Praxis' Facebook page for more ski pics (check out the Veneer Graphics Album). As always, email Keith (owner of Praxis' skis) for advice on which ski/core/flex/veneer, graphics might work for you (can find his email on the website).

2013-Praxis-Skis

2014-Praxis-Skis-review-mounting-resource-guide

The-2015-Praxis-skis-info-and-reviews-thread

2016-PRAXIS-info-mounting-and-resource-guide

2017-Praxis-Skis-Info-and-Resource-Thread

Further Reading. Lineup is largely unchanged, MVP had a shape change and narrowed up a bit. The Enduro core is now Maple, Ash, and Aspen. Aspen replaced Paulownia in Enduro core this year - all Enduro/MAP cores prior to 2018 had Paulownia in them and no Aspen. New graphic options as usual, look killer. The ability to make a ski wider or narrower by 10mm has had positive results, although sometimes shapes do not work as well in a different width.

Will update later if there are other changes.

New small batch production run in the works for a PM Gear - Praxis Collab 191cm Lhasa Pow Fat:
Praxis-Lhasa-Pow-Fats

Praxis-Carbon-Layups-Yay-or-Nay-for-Resort

Praxis-Skis-Topsheet-and-Base-Graphic-Picture-Thread


Specific Ski Threads:

Praxis-Protest-just-how-cool-is-it

The-Official-Great-Pacific-Octopus-Thread

Praxis-MVP

Wootest and Wootest 2.0

Praxis-Quixote-Jumped-the-Shark-or-Legit

Praxis-Ullr

Praxis-Rx

Official-Jigarex-thread

PSA-Mount-your-own-fucking-skis

A-Video-TR-How-to-Bend-Brakes

Praxis-Freeride-mounting-point

Mounting-Point-Praxis-Powder-Boards


Random Chatter:

Building-a-Ski-Boot-Press

*Current*-Lotus-138-compared-to-the-*current*-Praxis-Powder-Board?

Praxis-Carving-Skis

Has-anyone-skied-Praxis-Concepts-with-NTNs

Reviews:

Blister Reviews Praxis Protest

Praxis-Concept-Review

Praxis-Concept-177-Mini-Review-A-comment-on-length-for-EC-terrain

Praxis-Piste-Jib-Reviews

Praxis-9D8-review

Stoked to have picked a pair of Woo’s off the board!

Thanks for creating this thread?

Can’t seem to remember if it’s been discussed. What difference does the switch from paulownia to aspen ,in the enduro core , does that make? Weight? Dampness? Durability? Has anyone done a direct comparison? I thought the map core was a very nice balance. Quite light and still stable in all the skis I’ve had

Strong work muggy. Thanks

Was waiting for it ^

Thanks for starting the new thread!

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Can’t seem to remember if it’s been discussed. What difference does the switch from paulownia to aspen ,in the enduro core , does that make? Weight? Dampness? Durability? Has anyone done a direct comparison? I thought the map core was a very nice balance. Quite light and still stable in all the skis I’ve had

Strong work muggy. Thanks

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Asked Keith about this, he said the aspen is heavier and more dense then the Paulownia but it was their favorite among the light woods they’ve used in the past. He was also very impressed with the Paulownia and I got the feeling he will always be playing with and adjusting his cores to get the best performance per what the custy is looking for. I also dig the MAP core but I’m really excited to try out the MAA core, def going to add a little weight but I think it’s gonna be pretty minute except for maybe the really big sticks.

...and yeah, thanks mug, that is one hell of a reference, solid work indeed!

ProTest

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Asked Keith about this, he said the aspen is heavier and more dense then the Paulownia but it was their favorite among the light woods they’ve used in the past. He was also very impressed with the Paulownia and I got the feeling he will always be playing with and adjusting his cores to get the best performance per what the custy is looking for. I also dig the MAP core but I’m really excited to try out the MAA core, def going to add a little weight but I think it’s gonna be pretty minute except for maybe the really big sticks.

...and yeah, thanks mug, that is one hell of a reference, solid work indeed!

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Thanks for that. Sounds like MAA with veneer should be very close to MAP with nylon for weight, at the same time both MAA and the veneers improves the feel of the skis. Veneers have been a win win. Curious to try MAA now. It’d be fun to test the two constructions back to back.

You may have missed this in today's mailing from Keith, but there's another shot at custom orders through tomorrow (Wed. 8/29).

This is limited to the "Keep Tahoe Blue" edition. Choose your ski model, core type & flex. About the only custom option not available is top sheet graphic, which is of course, the "Keep Tahoe Blue" graphic.

This edition has a veneer topsheet (as if any of us would bypass the veneer).

Damn! I thought I was going to stay strong and not write a check this year. I keep hearing this Piste Jib voice in the back of my head.

... Thom

MVPs arrived a while ago. Never posted a photo. 183 enduro, ambrosia veneer, 3+, touring setup. If they fail that, park and bumps. Rocker is subtle. Need some g3 zeds...

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^^^I love that graphic.

And some very odd random stuff used as background props.

This is Keith's photo he sent me, only had enough time to quickly open the package before heading into work.

180 BC's, enduro core, 3 flex, Sister T on Karelian birch veneer. First time ever veneer graphic combo. Image ended up ghosted, which I think looks real cool, and Keith did the right thing by checking in with me before shipping since it was a new combination. Classier this way, while still being just a little trashy.
Planning on mounting some Shifts and using them as an East Coast 50/50 ski. Debated both carbon and upping the flex, but Keith seemed convinced I'd be happy with this setup.

https://i.imgur.com/5Qp91eQ.jpg

Now I need new skis for my Japan trip!

There is a pair of discounted standard 189 Rx Blems for $600

Somebody buy them so I dont do something irrational. I’d like it as a touring ski, but ultimately want something a little looser and cheaper.

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This is Keith's photo he sent me, only had enough time to quickly open the package before heading into work.

180 BC's, enduro core, 3 flex, Sister T on Karelian birch veneer. First time ever veneer graphic combo. Image ended up ghosted, which I think looks real cool, and Keith did the right thing by checking in with me before shipping since it was a new combination. Classier this way, while still being just a little trashy.
Planning on mounting some Shifts and using them as an East Coast 50/50 ski. Debated both carbon and upping the flex, but Keith seemed convinced I'd be happy with this setup.

https://i.imgur.com/5Qp91eQ.jpg


Now I need new skis for my Japan trip!

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Those look rad AF! Love em

second. ghosted graphic is really cool looking

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There is a pair of discounted standard 189 Rx Blems for $600

Somebody buy them so I dont do something irrational. I’d like it as a touring ski, but ultimately want something a little looser and cheaper.

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When do you like the RX over your Bibbys? I have a set of Bibbys, thinking about getting a set of Moment PB&J or the skinny RX and I remember you have a similar setup.

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When do you like the RX over your Bibbys? I have a set of Bibbys, thinking about getting a set of Moment PB&J or the skinny RX and I remember you have a similar setup.

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I havent skied the Wildcats yet, and it’s been a while since I have been on Bibbys. The differences you see on paper, pretty much describe the differences on snow

They are both very versatile and can be daily driven out west. They definitely overlap. Rx has a bit more of a pintail and it releases in heavy snow a little easier, although bibbys tail rocker and 27m radius doesnt get caught up in heavy snow either. The fatter tail on the bibby links up and carves a little easier on firm, but underfoot and through the tip, the Rx feels like it has a bit more grip. I have never skied a brand new, freshly tuned bibby though, so maybe the sharp edges of new wildcats are as grippy as Rx..

Both are loose enough in soft or heavy snow, but also chargey and grippy on firm snow. Mount points are a little noticeable, -8 on Rx, -6 on Bibby, but not dramatically different. Rx feels like one of the more centered and balanced directional skis I have ever skied (I like), and the Bibby is one of the most directional feeling freestyle skis. If that makes sense.

In terms of speed and playfulness, I think they are close. Rx might be faster, because I have heavy #5 core, but Moment skis are fast as F! Bibby is more playful, but the Rx is still fun as F!

I will be comparing the two more this year.


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Awesome, thanks for the detailed comparison Betel. I have a set of Bibby Tours so was thinking of either getting a Wildcat for resort use but I've also been curious about the RX.

TBH since I'm in CO I'm probably better off with the PB&J or skinny RX, I think the Wildcat and normal RX are too fat.

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Awesome, thanks for the detailed comparison Betel. I have a set of Bibby Tours so was thinking of either getting a Wildcat for resort use but I've also been curious about the RX.

TBH since I'm in CO I'm probably better off with the PB&J or skinny RX, I think the Wildcat and normal RX are too fat.

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You have your quiver mentality the wrong way around... you're supposed to buy skis for the conditions you wish you skied the most, not the conditions you actually ski the most in :D

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You have your quiver mentality the wrong way around... you're supposed to buy skis for the conditions you wish you skied the most, not the conditions you actually ski the most in :D

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I've bought fat skis the past few seasons and then they end up being low snow years. I figure if I buy skinny skis then it will snow a ton this year and then I can use all my fat skis!

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MVPs arrived a while ago. Never posted a photo. 183 enduro, ambrosia veneer, 3+, touring setup. If they fail that, park and bumps. Rocker is subtle. Need some g3 zeds...

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This is Keith's photo he sent me, only had enough time to quickly open the package before heading into work.

180 BC's, enduro core, 3 flex, Sister T on Karelian birch veneer. First time ever veneer graphic combo. Image ended up ghosted, which I think looks real cool, and Keith did the right thing by checking in with me before shipping since it was a new combination. Classier this way, while still being just a little trashy.
Planning on mounting some Shifts and using them as an East Coast 50/50 ski. Debated both carbon and upping the flex, but Keith seemed convinced I'd be happy with this setup.

https://i.imgur.com/5Qp91eQ.jpg

Now I need new skis for my Japan trip!

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Really like the builds on these. Ultimate do it alls. Visual stunners

Looking at those MVPs, skipping this year's sale has been borderline gut wrenching. That looks like a perfect layup for one of those days after having pounded the crap out of yourself.

... Thom

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Looking at those MVPs, skipping this year's sale has been borderline gut wrenching. That looks like a perfect layup for one of those days after having pounded the crap out of yourself.

... Thom

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Over and over that’s what I keep thinking. Every one of those skinny rx’s too. That was my build last year before I got cold feet and changed it. Been kicking myself repeatedly looking into the Praxis threads

I trust you gentleman maintain adequate quivers...and if you’re ever hitting Stevens, come get em for a lap or three.

Beers! I'd love to make it up to WA. This year's trips might only get so far as Montucky (full quiver in rooftop carrier - irrespective of destination), but we'll see ...

... Thom

I’m sure this has been covered before but haven’t shifted through the old threads. Is the general wisdom to mount concepts on the line? Or if I prefer my Praxis Skis behind the line (GPOs, protests, Qs all mounted -1 to -1.5 cm back), should I do the same for the concepts?

Weighed my Praxis quiver last night. For the data bank:

184 cm Rx, enduro with carbon, #4 flex, ambrosia maple: 8.65 lb (1974 and 1956 grams per ski)
185 cm 9D8, heavy with carbon, #4 flex, birds eye maple: 8.35 lb (1886 and 1902 grams per ski)
183 cm Exp, heavy with carbon, #4 flex, olive ash: 7.8 lb (1770 and 1772 grams per ski)

I skied the skinny RX. Mostly I was on firm snow, nice windbuff and corn, and one good powder day. I sharpened/detuned and waxed them prior, but the rocks really fucked up my sharp edges and left gouges.

The long radius is the first thing I noticed; don't lock your edges into a turn until you have the speed. The RX gets really good when you are going fast. I like to carve them on turns close to their radius, but things got slushy on some hot afternoons and the skis pivoted very well but that's hero snow for slarve turns. They can get sideways less easily in inconsistent snow, occasionally I had a "locked-in" feeling if I got backseat and rode the tails through a turn. The relative pintail is doing that, I had the same sensation on my lhasas if I got backseat. Also, I threw frame bindings on them and did some sidecountry touring while I was there and they were fine up the skintrack.

One day it snowed around a foot, maybe more. The wind wasn't too bad but there were some very deep pockets of wind-loaded snow. I love skiing in the snow, bouncing in and out of the powder and the skinny RX satisfies and skis very well for its size. In the choppy powder, I definitely wanted a wider ski to keep me above some of the vibrations you feel in your knees. This day made me want to try the regular width RX.

The shape is money, but you hear that a lot with this ski. The width adjustment didn't screw that up for me. I really like these skis. I got the heavy build and 5- flex, these skis aren't that stiff or heavy. I should have asked for extra stiff. Sometimes at speed through variable they got a little bouncy, like long wave warbles through the skis, on me. Overall, the skinny RX is an extremely competent ski that rewards good technique and high speed.

has anyone A/B compared the skinny RX to a Freeride?

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I skied the skinny RX. Mostly I was on firm snow, nice windbuff and corn, and one good powder day. I sharpened/detuned and waxed them prior, but the rocks really fucked up my sharp edges and left gouges.

The long radius is the first thing I noticed; don't lock your edges into a turn until you have the speed. The RX gets really good when you are going fast. I like to carve them on turns close to their radius, but things got slushy on some hot afternoons and the skis pivoted very well but that's hero snow for slarve turns. They can get sideways less easily in inconsistent snow, occasionally I had a "locked-in" feeling if I got backseat and rode the tails through a turn. The relative pintail is doing that, I had the same sensation on my lhasas if I got backseat. Also, I threw frame bindings on them and did some sidecountry touring while I was there and they were fine up the skintrack.

One day it snowed around a foot, maybe more. The wind wasn't too bad but there were some very deep pockets of wind-loaded snow. I love skiing in the snow, bouncing in and out of the powder and the skinny RX satisfies and skis very well for its size. In the choppy powder, I definitely wanted a wider ski to keep me above some of the vibrations you feel in your knees. This day made me want to try the regular width RX.

The shape is money, but you hear that a lot with this ski. The width adjustment didn't screw that up for me. I really like these skis. I got the heavy build and 5- flex, these skis aren't that stiff or heavy. I should have asked for extra stiff. Sometimes at speed through variable they got a little bouncy, like long wave warbles through the skis, on me. Overall, the skinny RX is an extremely competent ski that rewards good technique and high speed.

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This post perplexes me. The fact you didn’t find that they just mob through chop is interesting, even at a flex 5 heavy build. How tall and heavy are you? What length ski?
This ski is high on my radar so this post has me concerned. It’s shape and that build should crush chop and variable conditions. I like a narrower ski in chop since you can just really stand on them in a turn and knife through it delivering a smooth ride if the ski has the right build and is torsionally stiff as well as longitudinally. What other skis can you compare them to? What other skis do you like?

They're very good in general, but the ski can't do everything perfectly. They don't have the raceroom construction of blizzard or dynastar but that makes them more easy.

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I’m sure this has been covered before but haven’t shifted through the old threads. Is the general wisdom to mount concepts on the line? Or if I prefer my Praxis Skis behind the line (GPOs, protests, Qs all mounted -1 to -1.5 cm back), should I do the same for the concepts?

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Keith has stated that one shouldn’t stray too far from the line on the concepts - definitely no more than +/-2. The line is -8, IIRC, which is fairly traditional, and you can definitely still drive the tips from there. I’m love mine on the line, but I don’t think moving it a cm would be a hudge deal, if that’s your jam.

ETA: like any Praxis, and maybe even more so with the Concepts, bring a gummy with you on the hill and detune as you see fit.


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My Heavy #5 regular Rx definitely mob through chop and chunk. They haul the mail. My favorite ski ever, thus far. They just feel so right, everything aligns for me, and I dont need to pay attention to what my skis are doing when transitioning between different sno conditions. Predictable and steadfast. They hold their speed so well and you can turn and slash and you stay at high speeds. Similar to BGs in that way, albeit not as pivoty. Similar to BGs and 191 wren in terms of speed too, they are just shorter.

Rx shape feels a little looser than 191 Wren 113 or 189 Wren 108, but Rx #5 also feels a bit stiffer on edge. I feel like the Wrens wanna make more specific, pre programmed turn shapes, which is normal. Wrens still easy to shut down. Whereas the Rx are easier to make any sort of turn shape. They are a little easier to break free in the trees, or too line up a cliff drop in motion (sliding), before you send it. Or break into almost a small Shane McConkey style slide, and just get loose in general.

I told Keith I wanted them super beefy and he seriously delivered. I think his Cousin (the FWT competitor) had a hand in making these, because he was telling me all about them when I picked them up at the factory. They feel super torsionally stiff, the edges grip hard and they work great for long radius turns on firm west coast snow too.

There is a pair of standard Enduro #4 189 Rx blems on sale discounted on the website. Idk why noone has bought them yet. They seem like a more versatile, more traditional, lighter and easier going billy goat tour.


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^ Your post about the 5 flex heavy being a crusher and then egomans stating the opposite is interesting.

Ya Idk if I’d call them true crushers, they are not like Monster 108s, but they can definitely crush when you want. They crush like a 191 Wren or BG. The #5 doesnt hand flex super stiff, but skis stiff.

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315mm BSL, mounted with Jesters


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315mm BSL, mounted with Jesters


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Bring them to Alpental