Worst fucking nightmare: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/18/us/...ing/index.html
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Worst fucking nightmare: https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/04/18/us/...ing/index.html
Sucked. Out. Of. The. Fucking. Window!
Saw that on the news this AM, gonna have to watch seat choose on 737 fights.
^Window was 8 rows back from the engine... really think seat choice matters? Your chance of dying on a given US commercial flight is roughly 1 in 25 MILLION. Your chance of getting struck by lighting over the course of a year is 1 in 1 Million. Chances that a US skier (including inbounds skiers) will die in an avalanche this year is 2.5 in 1 Million. Your chance of dying in a car crash this year 1 in 10,000.
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Fan missing one blade. Damage (multiple gashes visible in the leading edge, pylon, fuselage) is consistent with losing an entire compressor disc, probably from the low pressure compressors (at least) based on where the damage is on the engine nacelle. Modern civil turbofan engines are designed to contain blade failure, but that design feature failed here.
I wonder if the poor lady died from trauma from shrapnel or from getting half sucked out :( First US commercial aviation death since Continental 3407 in 2009.
Yet another reason to wear your seatbelt whenever you're seated.
Man those people were just sitting there, everything was cool, normal rhythms of a flight still getting underway...and BAM. Fuck I hate shit like that. RIP.
This web page is terrifying ...
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-s...ents-incidents
Check the Aloha Air flight from 1988. Fan blades sheared off the engine and ripped off half the roof. Cray.
Training pays off.Quote:
Tammie Jo Shults' name has not been officially released by Southwest Airlines, but passengers who were on the flight have identified her as the pilot. Many of them are praising her for how she handled the emergency Tuesday.
In air traffic control audio, a female pilot spoke calmly and slowly, describing the emergency that was unraveling more than 30,000 feet in the air -- all the while trying to land a damaged plane suffering engine failure.
Jesus Christ, the first story is incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
I have always worn my seatbelt at all times. I wonder if she was. Could have pulled her right out.
Listen to the ATC recording. She is so unbelievably calm and professional as she communicates and describes the situation that you'd think she was remarking on the lack of turbulence. Bad ass! Former USN F-18 pilot. She was probably just happy nobody was shooting at her. I'll try to find the link to the recording.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
That last item is an amazing fact. You wonder if 9/11 and its aftermath is the prime reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
actually i don't wonder that at all
I wondered that too. What altitude were they at? Exposure at cruising altitude would be a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I always try to stay out of rows 7-9 on (turboprop) Q400's, but this is pretty random. Hell of a way to go.
@ Z3: They were at 32,500 feet.
getting pulled almost instantly halfway out of one of those little windows is probably not great either. hopefully, she was out for all of it.
Another CFM56-7 uncontained fan blade failure 2 years ago (also on a SWA 737-700). SWA is the primary user of the 737-700 which is the primary user of the CFM56-7 series of turbofan (GE manufactured turbofan). SWA3472 was at FL310 when the engine went kablooie, punctured the cabin, depressurized, landed safely with no injuries.
Here is the ATC recording: https://soundcloud.com/themorningcal...ure-april-14th I love her cheerful "have a good day!" Good controllers too... listen to the whole thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Got sucked into reading that quora thread. Human error is a bitch. Window installer too lazy to check manual for bolt spec. And this gem:
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At the time of the incident, Canada was converting to the metric system. As part of this process, the new 767s being acquired by Air Canada were the first to be calibrated for metric units (litres and kilograms) instead of customary units (gallons and pounds). All other aircraft were still operating with Imperial units (gallons and pounds). The pilots miscalculated the fuel required for the trip in pounds instead of kilograms.
I knew all those but the first one... WOAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
Aloha 243 was a fuselage metal fatigue issue (plus possible pressurization system malfunction), NOT an uncontained fan blade failure, but some amazing pilot work. UA811 was another major fuselage failure.
The most amazing pilot work I know of for an uncontained engine failure was UA232 where #2 shredded all the DC-10 hydraulics (no flight controls). Miracle anyone survived!
I'm uncertain which part of my comment you were referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
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Originally Posted by wyeaster
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by wyeaster
Reminds me of this.
https://youtu.be/i1PikITKKYY
I usually sit aisle seat in the very back. Not sure that would help in this situation but you always get your beer first.
The last number. First death since 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
What was the wind speed at the time she was out there?
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFile...BF5-518007.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Sweet!
I was on a flight that had an engine fail on takeoff. The engine sounded like a clothes dryer full of rocks when it went. We were a lot lower when it failed than the plane yesterday, and just circled around to land. They had us park off in a remote area where fire trucks were waiting. But no fire or damage to the fuselage. They bused us back to the terminal. It screwed up my travel plans, but that was it. Hopefully it was my one brush with death by commercial aviation.
My first guess would be it trauma from shrapnel, second guess being instantaneous asphyxiation with her proximity to the window. I've been through more than one rapid decompression and after the initial boom of the initial decompression, the pressure equalizes (within a matter of seconds). It gets real cold, real quick, and you better get on oxygen pronto. The pilot will make an emergency nosedive to below 10-15,000 feet (I don't remember exactly offhand). Other than that, it's typically not NEARLY the drama that Hollywood makes it out to be. This case being the exception, of course. Those are some terribly rare odds to be sitting with your head in the EXACT spot a catastrophic engine failure decides to blow through. Poor family. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Thankfully flying is still infinitely one of the safest modes of transportation.
I found this really interesting...Quote:
"Everybody was going crazy, and yelling and screaming," Martinez said. "As the plane is going down, I am literally purchasing internet just so I can get some kind of communication to the outside world."
"i can be famous in deaaaaaaaaaatttttthhhhhhhhhh!!!"
I read that they're was quite alot of blood, could just be from the glass, but lens credence to the shrapnel theory. Definitly a crazy situation.
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We were on Ocean Beach in San Diego when a flight lost its engine on takeoff directly above us at a pretty low altitude. It was right after takeoff prolly less than a minute. They looped back and landed safely. I'll never forget that sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyk
just noting how airplanes are madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
look at the edges of the cowling where it's ripped apart
that is honeycombed aluminum foil sandwiched in aluminum sheet
like a piece of high tech cardboard
Maybe the craziest thing among many crazy things about this is the passenger who attempted to block the broken window with his back, by leaning up against it. I don't have the exact quote but he said something to the effect that "the pressure was intense". Well no shit. Dude is clearly brave, but wtf?
Yikes. Two clients of our law firm were sitting in first class on this airplane. They, along with all other passengers, survived only because they were wearing seat belts. One FA was swept out.
https://i0.wp.com/www.wingsnews.org/...Flight-243.jpg
Damn on the audio you can hear that she's totally bummed after finding out about the injuries.
I listened to that late last night after drinking an IPA. Well worth a listen. Very competent and professional under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Seems like with the move toward these super high efficient engine are hearing about more of these uncontained catastrophic failures? Obviously this isn't the latest latest generation of engines which are made with even lighter materials. Growing pains hopefully.
Funny that this comes on the heals of the Allegiant report. I already decided to stop flying that airline when the LA Times reported on them some time ago and friends were stranded or stuck in a smoke filled cabin because of engine issues. I know about systemic safety problems from my industry and they don't go away easily. I've never been a fan of sitting in the back of an ancient MD-80 right next to the engines anyway.
Kind of a tangent, but my dad flies a Citabria (basically a small plane like a Super Cub, but slightly larger and more powerful. Still just 2 seats front and back). A lot of those small planes are literally made of cloth. They're basically an aluminum kite/airframe with painted cloth over them. And they fly! It always sort of boggles my mind when I tap on the aircraft's skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
There's also a Kevlar band that is supposed to contain a fan blade that breaks free.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
If the engine was a CFM56 as Summit suggests, that is an engine design that was developed in the 1970s and entered service in 1982 (with modifications since then).Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney