1300g!
12-13deg forward lean
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1300g!
12-13deg forward lean
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Some random new ZeroG obs pulled from the Gear Rumor 18 - 19 thread
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Originally Posted by couchsending
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Originally Posted by gregL
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
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Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
IIRC, people have claimed swappable soles add 250g weight. So is it basically a 0G Guide Pro with a glued on sole? Looks like a new walk mode with a simple bar -- might be good news for people who have had issues with the past Cochise/0G walk modes. Other changes?
Last?
Is there any gator underneath the tongue?
I could see that being true for the first iteration of Cochise where all of the structure and fittings were in the sole block itself. For old ZeroG the "block" was mostly sole material with very little plastic reinforcement + weight of screws so I doubt it was 250g/boot. Maybe the weight savings is a combo of cables instead of buckles, no plastic or screws in the sole, and some others shavings.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Dynafit-style powerstrap quick release is a nice feature that I just noticed now. Cord on the walk lever is a small but nice touch; one of a few common "mods" that look to be incorporated from the factory.
Interesting that they reversed the toe buckle but kept the instep buckle in the usual spot.
I'm curious how the heel will fit in these. I tried on the Zero G Guide Pro's and I found the fit to be good overall, but that in walk mode the cupping of the heel shell really dug into my achilles. FWIW I was just carpet testing though.
My Guide's do this to my achilles, contemplating a different liner. Not really wanting to invest in a new boot just yetQuote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
This is a completely new boot that does maybe share a "similar" type of fit but other than
that the only thing it shares is the name.
ROM is considerably more than the previous model with no digging into the achilles for some
people. The external metal ski/walk device allows for a much lower spine in the back of the
boot as the metal helps to reinforce the back of the boot and essentially create that spine.
The lower spine means more rearward ROM. Even though it's only advertised as 55 I think
it's about as much as your ankle is capable of. It's a traditional overlap design other than that,
no gators, no weird flaps or plastic stops to manage flex. The one difference in this boot is the
extra metal connection higher on the cuff. If you look in the photo you'll see the yellowish anodized
metal piece. It acts as one more connection point to stiffen the boot and prevent the overflexing
feeling some have mentioned in the other boot that has a similar external ski/walk mechanism.
One other cool feature is that it actually has a boot board, which forgive me if I'm wrong is pretty
rare for a boot in this weight class.
When I actually get my samples I'll try to post some more photos of the new boot and some
comparison photos between the present and this 18/19 version.
No gators?
Bummer, means you'll have to tour with lower shell buckled tightly if you're breaking trail
I don't have gaitors in my boots and don't tour with tight buckles and don't ship snow in the lowers. The only boot where this was a problem was the Atomic HawX where I put a good old strip of duct tape over forefoot to close an entry holeQuote:
Originally Posted by nyskirat
Even when you get that super light, low density, cold smoke?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
That's good to hear, that digging into the Achilles was the main reason I bought MTN Labs instead o Zero Gs. For super low volume foot it would be sweet if they happened to be lower volume in the ankle/heel area. The teardrop loop shaped buckle bails look very similar to the lower ones used on Vulcans, which were kind of a pain in the ass compared to normal ones...Quote:
Originally Posted by couchsending
Any BSL numbers?
I believe 26.5 is 302.. First ones didn't have a BSL printed one them.
2nd half of this video features the boots...
https://www.facebook.com/tecnicaskib...6145403423191/
even the 'heavy & comfortable' zero g tour is only 1,500g ... and what looks like grip walk soles.
and I've been told that this is being made in a REAL 22 as well. Good news for umpalumpas that ski
i heard 1315 (Pro) and 1350 (scout)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6L9-et0-4
Playing with a pair (didn’t ski it, sorry no pictures), it’s stiffer and fits similar to current ZeroG. No scale on hand but low 1300s is realistic. Light and powerful enough to threaten the marginal weight gain of boots around 1200g or more.
I also didn’t have to lift my pants up to manipulate the walk mode, not that I cared.
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Originally Posted by XavierD
Tried on a pair of production 26.5's in the PNW at the Mission demo - side by side with my regular Zero G Guide Pros. Though the toe looked narrower, the fit was pretty much the same as the 99mm ZGGP but a little more relaxed in the medial midfoot. Flex was stiffer than the old boot. Sole was glued on ISO 9523, BSL was hand-engraved "302". Didn't have a scale with me, but 1315 grams seems believable. Didn't ski them as that would have required some punches, hopefully that will be soon.
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3mm off the rest of the cochise line from recent years? (as in, 2017 Cochise's in that size are 305mm). That's actually pretty annoying - hope there was a good reason for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by couchsending
(obviously 3mm doesn't matter from a mount point of view, but it's still enough where you'd have to remember to adjust the heel piece on your bindings between boots)
edit: fixed mm typo
Cochise is 305 in a 26
Typo, but same point. Yeah, my 26.5's are 305mm. So having these be 3 mm different is kind of annoying. Saving 550-600 grams is enough to perk my interest but I'd still want to be able to swap back and forth with various skis without having to make binding adjustments every time. Resort slackcountry laps vs. starting at the trailhead, that sort of thing. Not the end of the world but definitely a PITA.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
It's lighter that way - 3mm of thick plastic is fairly heavy and you have to approach weight reduction in a light boot incrementally. Buckles, liner, shorter BSL, hardware - take off a little wherever you can. Same BSL as the Hawx Ultra XTD, which is really the main target.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Could you please tell, how is fit compared to kryptons?
Wider and higher volume than a KR Pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashka
If you're using pin bindings, remember there will be a big difference in felt ramp angle between the Cochise and a rockered-sole boot like the 2019 Zero G in the same binding. It would be a lot easier going back and forth between Cochise and 2017 / 2018 Zero G.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
That's actually a really good point. Especially for bindings that have toe adjustments based on the boot. So I guess that makes my complaints of slight BSL variations moot in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
What is the fit like compared to MTN Labs? I would guess the MTN is narrower, but how do they compare as far as volume in the ankle and heel?
Cochise being updated?
The Zero G Tour Pro is slightly wider in the forefoot and slightly narrower/lower volume in the heel/midfoot than the MTN Lab. That's based on roughly 8 minutes of wearing the Tour Pro in the parking lot - I skied the MTN Lab for a couple seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
what's close to a krypton pro that isnt the Lupo Factory?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
I didn't really look that closely at the thickness of the OEM Tecnica liner, but I would guess the Zero G Tour Pro with an Intuition Pro Tour MV would come close.Quote:
Originally Posted by margotron
Changes to Cochise?
Will these be available in multiple flex options?
Slight color change to the 130, and just three flex options: 130, 120, 100. (No more 90)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
Yes, three models:Quote:
Originally Posted by snapt
Tour Pro: $899, 1315g and 130 flex. Carbon infused cuff.
Tour Scout:$799, ~1375g and 120 flex. PA upper and lower.
Tour (base model): $599? ~1500g and 110 flex with Pebax upper and lower.
Could be wrong on plastics however.
Thank you good sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
This is for 26 right? What does the maestrale rs2 weigh in at?Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD