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Running old analog, need to get into the present. What beacon you like and why?
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Well, search function failed me and cant find the old thread so if someone bumps it, will delete this.
Running old analog, need to get into the present. What beacon you like and why?
Tracker 3. Easy to use. Fast. Reliable.
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You have been under thinking this. No need to overthink it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkgt
I went with the Pulse. Its red, and you know what that means.
Any of the latest gen are pretty easy to use. Don’t over think it.
This. Very thorough and objective. You can't go wrong with any of the five transceivers rated 5 starsQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Tracker 3
3rded on checking beaconreviews.com
I upgraded my Barryvox Opto3000 to a DSP Pro last season. I dig it. But I probably would've been just as happy with a Pulse. Just happened to find a better deal.
this is perfect, thanks for link and all feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Get one that you turn on at the car and turn off at the bar. Tracker 3.
Ortovox is stll running a promo. Retire any beacon and get 75 towards a replacement
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It was my impression that some of the early ones were pricey and overloaded with stuff you may not want, by the time I bought my element (stripped down pulse) it cost about the same as my F1 did 10 or 15 years before
I have also used the 3+ and its also stripped down about the same price not sure about any of the others
so IMO digital pricing/ tech has caught up and one should upgrade
one of my guide buddies tells me its not unusual for an absolute newbie to do better on beacon practise with a digital he has just given them than a guy who owns and practises with his personal analog,
some ops won't even let you use your analog, they will give you a digital
i clip mine to the tab in my softshells pocket and I turn it on when I put the pants on ...batteries are cheap eh?
I like Pieps. Mammuts are great too.
I had multiple S1 failures and no longer trust Ortovox.
Trackers just aren't as good. People seem to think they're easier to use. But they're not.
Never even held an Arva.
No guide or op should let you use an analog beacon.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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Another Tracker 3 vote. Big upgrade over my Tracker 2.
The signal suppression feature on the T3 is significantly different than the marking feature on other top end beacons. It's worth looking into if you are interested in optimizing your chances of multiple burial recoveries.
Ortovox was recently having a promotion where you turn in your old spit-in-the-face-of-your-touring-buddies beacon and they give you $75 off anew one.
I've got a Pulse because I like the extra features and I trust the beacon built by the little swiss guy that uses it every day and is always trying to make it better.
Yea the S1 is weird and mine has trouble bracketing. It can be off by a foot when placed on top of another beacon. Coarse search is just stupid. I have a S3 which does what it should well, but I prefer a tracker 3.
I am a fan of the simple digital beacons that just do location. Pulse, DPS, 3+, tracker 3. I observe students in AVI 1 struggle a little with multiple burials, on all beacons a little. Multiple burials require some problem solving and big picture understanding. But I see people do better with the mark function over the SP on the Tracker 3. I often see people get drawn back to their last location, on the tracker.
We will be testing all the beacons this winter for our team to use in rescues. Working on setting up a random speed test to level the playing field and find out what is the fastest. But the bigger factor is people are comfortable using what they are familiar with. And as long as it is not analogue I would rather have someone on the beacon they know how to use than the best beacon.
Please report back after you do -- would love to read this report, especially if you have the new Mammut offerings in the mix. Love my Pulse Barryvox, but wife might need an upgrade soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Springskiin
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Originally Posted by Bruce Springskiin
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Originally Posted by SoooL
I like the DSP Sport and Pro, both get good ratings on Beacon Reviews. The DSP Sport is also pretty easy to find on sale for mid $200 range. I had the lanyard attachment point break off of my DSP Sport and they replaced it with a Pro, great customer service experience.
I’ll do my best to remember when we do the test.
You have a Pulse. Pulses are both good and easy to use. Get your wife a Pulse.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
We love our mammut pulse. Chosen for 3 reasons.
1 pretty simple to use but still full featured (not as simple as a tracker but close)
2 Tells you if there are “vitals” (senses tiny movements or something) so you can dig up the living victims first in a multiple.
3 You can upgrade the firmware. Not sure if they all do that now, at the time it was the only one.
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Why are you assuming she can't pick a beacon herself? As it happens, my wife knows way more than me about avy safety and can buy whatever she wants. But I love my Pulse, so I'm personally am interested in how the new Mammuts perform, hence my question. As is typical of us, she's comfortable with her current gear while I'm trying to convince her the new and shiny will be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
Not trying to jump down your throat -- just sometimes the general feeling on TGR that we men need to buy gear for the non-tech-savvy womenfolk grates on me.
I've loved my Pulse for the last 7 years after going to it from analog.
I still have and drill on my analog occasionally. Just for fun... I ski with my Pulse.
Pulse is the shit. It is easy, reliable and performs extremely well in a variety of situations.
I'm super excited about the new Barryvox S that is replacing the Pulse this season. I've played with the prototype and hope to get my hands on the production model early season
I was assuming that you likely ski together and might benefit from shared knowledge of like equipment. If she's teaching you or the other way around the benefit is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
If you hadn't mentioned the Pulse specifically I might not have said that, but the Pulse has great range, is easy to use, and is full featured. With upgradable firmware (read: minor maintenance required/possible) and the ability to communicate status of buried victims the benefit of having partners on that same piece of equipment goes up. Otherwise I'm just saying, no need to over think it if the Pulse is on your radar already. Which is why I was so succinct. Terse even. Sorry if that came off the wrong way; I've tried to be wordier, hope it helps.
^^^ Heh.
I concur that the utility of the Pulse improves when your spouse/main touring partner has one too due to proprietary heartbeat tech. If I was auvgeek, it'd be a no-brainer for a second one.
So when you tour with others who aren't using pulses.. they just have to assume you're not digging them out until you've dug up the Misses?Quote:
Originally Posted by LightRanger
Unless everyone is wearing one the whole pulse idea makes me really uncomfortable.
Perhaps it should be an industry standard to have the feature on all beacons.. but until it is...
Wife has taken AIARE 1-3, pro patrolled, and taught avy courses. She's practiced extensively with her current beacon. You're really saying it's obvious she should buy a now-discontinued beacon and for practice extensively with it just so we can have the same one? Especially when we don't even live in the same location at the moment and she skis a ton without me? I mean, one could argue that's the best approach, but I think it's pretty far from a "no brainer."Quote:
Originally Posted by LightRanger
I'm way more comfortable with her digging me out with the one she's practiced with extensively than anything else, heartbeat technology included. IIRC, she found the advanced features of the pulse a little complicated to use but don't quote me on that. She's never expressed any interest in upgrading her beacon, but Mammut has been claiming the advanced features of the new Barryvox are more user-friendly than that on the Pulse and I was curious if that was actually the case. She might be taking some refresher courses after coming off an injury, and so I (not her) thought it might be a good time to see if there's a beacon she likes more than her current one. Plus, the Pulse is far from perfect. Mine seems little glitchy after my last firmware update and it often gets switched on in my travel bag -- can be pretty frustrating to start a trip with dead batteries.
Seems like my benign interest in the new Mammut beacons got blown way out of proportion. Think I'm gonna give TGR a rest for a bit.
I think they packed the earlier Digitals with shit you don't need and charged mo money
which is why I bought the element cuz it was just a stripped down pulse
In the interest of full assumption-stating, my first assumption was that there was some underlying reason driving your wife toward a new beacon. Since it appears that is not the case I would not argue against sticking with what she knows. I know that's what I want from my partners. You're future interest in something down the road seems logical, as there's (hopefully) an upgrade in everyone's future at some point, I just didn't get that from "might need."Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Are you traveling with the Pulse in its regular carry case and having it switch on? Seems like that could be easily prevented by putting a little flat 'board' on top of the top button and strapping it in with the clip. Or a piece of duct tape over the side 'button.' Not that it's easy to push both flush buttons at once, with them being 90 degrees to each other, but with the safeguards already in place it seems like going to totally foolproof isn't too hard, if you're using the case.
I look at it the exact opposite way, and we talk about this at least once a year, more if heading out with a large group. Specifically, the Pulse does not show you who is not moving/dead/unconscious, it only shows you who is known to be moving. All other victims are unknowns, regardless of which beacon they are wearing. I haven't been able to prove that the Pulse is totally reliable in sending out that signal, so I make damn sure my wife (and anyone else carrying a Pulse in a group) is aware that 'no pulse' is a piece of non-information. It means nothing. But if you do get that signal you know you are more likely looking at a live victim (who may be able to help) and unless burial depths etc. argue for something else, I'd want to dig that person out first.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Hah!Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I see that my generalization was blown way out of proportion too. I thought the "all other factors being equal" part was implied, but apparently not. :biggrin:
I understand the theory just the idea of making the decision on who to dig up first based on who is wearing a particular type of beacon gives me the shivers... especially when it's the searcher's wife wearing that beacon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
Is there any record of the pulse function being used in a real slide?
Not sure [emoji848] f to here is any record w the pulse. Good question. Seems most people I ski w have one.
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I recommend the beacon with triple antennae and a marking function that looks coolest in the bar at the end of the day. The technology is all so similar, it really does boil down to personal preference.
Achieving mastery level beacon skills is easy in this day and age. No excuses. I think many would be better served by prioritizing digging, scene size-up, and tactical decision making practice.