Title says it all. I've always been bugged by the fucking 90 minute cycles of the ol' Bosch. Been thinking about this for years, have done some research.
Probably would be interested in a high temp vs. chemical sanitizer. Don't care about the noice for 2 minutes at a time. I understand most require a 240v circuit. 120v would be preferable but haven't been able to find one.
Can anyone school me on this?
Sorry, we just put an arrow with "dishwasher" next to it. Restaurant fit out is usually by the chef or owner. So I'm not up on particular units.
Surely, there's a dentist restauranteur on here who can chime in.
Its a lot of scratch first and foremost. Like 3-5k or so just for the unit. Check your dimensions as they usually aren't counter depth.
I bought my house from a chef who had one, and had it taken out. So take that for what its worth.
The new one they FINALLY got at Wildlife Brewing is counter depth or close. But really only built of course for multiple loads over long timeframes. Maybe add another sink with a restaurant quality hose and pressure for a 98% rinse...and then be able to use a light cycle which might get close to 30min. If you need it quicker fuckin wash it yourself ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
For a variety of reasons commercial stuff like that can be less than optimal at home. Maybe consider two high end residential ones (if space is an issue - maybe stacked Fisher Paykels). Probably no more expensive in the end. So handy I can't describe it. The only hassle is keeping everyone in sync on which one is loading vs clean. It might not address everything you are trying to accomplish - but if you double up on a few kinds of dishes, etc - kitchen operations & dishwasher loading both can proceed apace while one machine is washing.
I've thought about a lot of this stuff already. It's entirely possible to add a sprayer style sink faucet to the sink. Always wanted one of those too.
There is a decent market in used commercial dishwashers for much less than new, and less heavy-duty new ones can be had for just above $2k new. That's still less than a fancy home style euro-machine. Have had a Bosch for years. Like the Sub-Zero fridge, it has seen way more than it's share of expensive repairs. Kinda had it with that whole fancy euro appliance scene.
No room for a side-by-side pair and for some reason the drawer style ones bug me and they still take way too long to get a load done. I built the kitchen with tall counters because I'm, well, tall, so there's plenty of room and the commercial machines specs seem to confirm this.
The way I'll be cooking and cleaning from here on out will be different than it has been. Fewer people in the house. I like the idea of cleaning up dishes after a large gathering in minutes. If it's just me I'm cleaning up after, washing dishes by hand will absolutely happen.
You really go through that many dishes? We just use the timer on the machine and set it to run overnight.
^^^, no, and that's kind of the whole idea. Loads can be small, and take 90 seconds to complete. For a big event, many loads one after the other. Presto.
Bosch timer went out. Again. $350 or some shit to repair. Again. Fuck that. And 60-90 minutes for a load to get done?
I know, I come up with weird shit.
I hand wash just about everything I use. It's nothing but a stink box and the kids use it to store dirty everything. We do the same as mf; overnight and it's usually half full because I have trouble walking past the sink mostly.
I understand the larger gathering post wash need. Mostly solved by the real friends that get involved in the aftermath too. The holidays were mostly china up until now and that never got near the washer, nor did the crystal.
I'm gonna say you're overthinking this one.
your putting alot of thought into this dishwasher shit
maybe you just need to hire some hot mexican chick to be there and do your dishes for you?
all the high end kitchen I do usually have two dishwashers, the brands these people have are either bosh or fisher paysomething I like my cheap fridgidare one works like a champ
had one customer swap out a perfectly new highend bosch dishwasher because it wasn't getting their dishes clean, find out they were putting dishes in covered in food, grease, and what not no pre rinse or clean the plate off in the garbage first, bought some stupid expensive one guess it cleaned them better cause we didn't change it again
so just buy two dishwasher bro
Miele 2 drawer are in vogue round these parts. suckage - mechanically sloppy, delicate, gasket sealing issues.
I'm selling (CL - could be gone this afternoon) ss bosch with the food macerator.
"STINK BOX" I tell yea
Our Miele just died, the inflow valve crapped out for the third time now over 11 years...similar cost to repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by oftpiste
Miele has really incredibly crappy customer service as well. So...sign me up for a similar query.
We've had an Asko for many years with no problems. Gets the dishes clean after dumping solid food in the sink or trash--no pre-rinse. I did replace the utility sink with a restaurant style stainless steel sink with a sprayer--for big parties like Thanksgiving when the pots won't fit in the regular sink. The sprayer is amazing. Particularly good for cleaning paintbrushes. Of course it doesn't come close to the CA mandated 2gpm.
If you can't wait 90 minutes for the machine to wash your dishes you need to rethink life.
get the sprayer, they are really, really usefulQuote:
I've thought about a lot of this stuff already. It's entirely possible to add a sprayer style sink faucet to the sink. Always wanted one of those too.
I have a machine made by CMA, not under counter, it is a slide through. It has over 116,000 cycles on it with zero repairs. It has a 90 second cycle. Still runs perfect. Powerful, efficient, easy to clean and maintain. Jackson and Hobart are top of the line commercial but that's overkill.Quote:
There is a decent market in used commercial dishwashers for much less than new, and less heavy-duty new ones can be had for just above $2k new. That's still less than a fancy home style euro-machine. Have had a Bosch for years. Like the Sub-Zero fridge, it has seen way more than it's share of expensive repairs. Kinda had it with that whole fancy euro appliance scene.
If you are cooking and then cleaning up right away commercial may suit you well. If you let a few dishes stack up then run the machine a few hours later, non commercial may be better for you. Commercial machines are great for moving lots of dirty dishes along at a fast pace. Sometimes this doesn't translate well to home use. For holidays and parties commercial is awesome. For casual cooking, maybe not. At home, I will make three meals a day with my family, stack plates in the dish machine, then run it all together one time overnight.Quote:
No room for a side-by-side pair and for some reason the drawer style ones bug me and they still take way too long to get a load done. I built the kitchen with tall counters because I'm, well, tall, so there's plenty of room and the commercial machines specs seem to confirm this.
The way I'll be cooking and cleaning from here on out will be different than it has been. Fewer people in the house. I like the idea of cleaning up dishes after a large gathering in minutes. If it's just me I'm cleaning up after, washing dishes by hand will absolutely happen.
On commercial high heat is great, less chemicals going down the drain which may matter to you if you have a septic field. That high heat can also cook foods onto the plate if foods such as eggs sit there for a long time. They are amazing at removing fats. Metals are hot as shit when taking out of the machine. I have a low temp machine FWIW. Every now and then I consider getting a high heat booster but then other things take precedence and I forget about it. My current machine uses a liquid detergent, sanitizer and a rinse additive. It works great for me.
I do wonder what the fuck goes on in those machines that run for 90 minutes.
Only experience with a commercial kitchen weekly doing dinners for 150 to 200 people- plates, bowls, everything but glasses being used is china. They have a spray sink with disposal to pre-rinse every dish and the silverware bins. They tray up the dishes after that and run them through a wash and sanitizing, then fast drying cycle 2 times via a commercial dishwasher (not under the counter- counter height cage type that opens by raising up the cage. Things that can make it hard to get clean- no scraping of the dishes, allowing the food to dry on the dishes, especially harder to clean in the first place stuff, and not packing the dishes properly - so they are packed too tight or touching and not enough separation.
Most do 2 detergent wash cycles (with option for longer or just 1 quick wash) and rinse after each before they go into a drying cycle which can be as long as the wash/rinses are. A drying/anti-spotting agent helps with the drying but usually does not decrease the time of the total cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by papapoopski
Fisher Paykel Dishdrawer is perfect for what you're wanting. I've had a double for 14 years. I've been able to do any repairs myself, they're really easy to work on. You can run one or both. You can do 38, 88 or 112 minute cycles on the 'eco' mode with no drying. Non 'eco' mode increases cycle time but I don't use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by oftpiste
Ski club I used to be in had an under the counter commercial dish washer. It was awesome. Not sure what model. I've always wanted one. 90 seconds and cleaned almost anything.
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For the sprayer faucer Grohe K7 are super nice and have a kind of industrial chic thing going on, Not cheap by a long shot but super handy, works great and you'll never have to replace it. Works like a normal faucet until you toggle it on and unhook it from the bracket thing.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GROHE-K7-...FQZ6fgodKFMAhQ
https://image.ceneo.pl/data/products...7-31379000.jpg
https://cdn12-grohe-com.cloud.grohe....sink-mixer.jpg
My first job as a kid was a dishwasher in a very shitty restaurant where we sent the poor low kid on the totem pole through the conveyor belt washer.
You may run into issues with that with a undercounter set up. But I'm not aware of the size of your children so your mileage may vary.
We had a Hobart in the fraternity. Not under counter but I see they sell a few for 6k. That thing would eat ribs off plates in minimal time cycles. Oatmeal crust, etc would be of minimal concern. But yeah they'll cost you.
I hate the loud kitchen aid that came with our house but it doesn't even have a stainless bin so low on the quality scale.
Everything I can remember reading in recent mammary sez bosch is the tits?
An appliance repairguy ski bud told me to make sure the water is hot enough, buy good detergent but don't let it absorb moisture under the sink (those pucks nowdays are great) and nowadays there is lots of repair info on the WWW so i have never had to pay for it
Other than that my minimalist tendencies have always just made do with whatever DW was in whatever house I was living in and spend the money on skis/boats/bikes
and I mean talk about 1st world problems fuck ... you got a dishwasher
rocking an SS kitchenaid right now and before that Kenmore
That's purty. But the most important question is, Can the low flow restriction be defeated easily? Because all the fancy tech in the world isn't going to make 1.75gpm feel like a real commercial full pressure sprayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I'd just get a commercial one m'self.
We've been running our Bosch on the 30min cycle and it seems to get everything clean. Not dry, just clean. And it's definitely louder than when we bought it.
we have something similar -- the spray function is effective enough, even at residential pressure. you can buy commercial at 1gpm, and, with decent pressure, have an effective "power wash".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser
quite frankly, i'm not sure any residential kitchen really wants a commercial kind of overspray all over the kitchen -- altho i imagine the kids would love shooting it at each other
mrs acinpdx calls this fixture a "lunch lady" cuz you always see it behind the school cafeteria line
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Originally Posted by iceman
Grohe sucks monkey balls, don't buy that shit please, I"ve thrown out about six high end grohe bullshit faucets lately, they all work, if anyone really wants one i'll mail the next one to you, some of them might be in my copper recycle pile though, so you could get one by friday if your lucky
and don't ever buy a facuet or even a toilet at home depot or lowes
I keep coming back to this. I have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
But I fucking hate our Asko.
If you ^^ hate your Asko just quit using it and see how long before you love it again
IME one can usually make a DW work a little better even without a pre-rinse by not using the environmentally friendly soap
and finding a dish loading pattern that does not suck
run the DW at night and turn off the drying cycle cuz thats what uses so much electricity
I see your point, but paying that much money for something that needs repair annually and clogs up every three months is bound to generate a certain amount of antipathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Bosch, Asko no wonder with all this ^^ fucking euro trash?
Ask yerself what Donald Trump would buy ?
Yeah, yeah, but Asko's what my wife chose.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Are there gold-colored dishwashers?Quote:
Ask yerself what Donald Trump would buy ?
OK ^^ why didn't you say soQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
I get the idea maybe the new shit is shit or maybe I just have good appliance Karma but GE, kitchenaid, kenmore have always seemed to run forever and what did break down was simple enough to fix with a few tools
I think the Don has been into them eastern euro models ... maybe thats the ticket eh?
None of them last more than 8 yrs anymore
Bosch is not the tits IMO. Too many repairs, and they're stupid expensive to have fixed. Same with Sub-Z. My Bosch does not have a 30 minute cycle. I lived for years with cheap, American appliances and never once called the repairman. They know me by name at Appliance Service Center.
Yes, 1st world problem indeed.
For those who say I need to rethink life if I can't wait 90, perhaps that's true though I am rethinking life on a lot of levels right now, and the commercial DW is one of them.
Here's the thing: I'm a clean-as-you-go cook. I fucking hate having a bunch of pots, pans, cutting boards, mis en place containers, whiskers, graters, etc. laying about awaiting a cleanse, or even sitting on the drainboard drying while I'm making more dishes to wash.
Seems to me with a commercial machine, you throw everything in there as you use it (instead of washing that stuff by hand, drying it and stowing it several times in a prep process), hit the start button and 2 minutes later it comes out clean and dry, then put it away. Nothing has to pile up in the sink, just throw it in the under-counter. Repeat as necessary.
For a small group you load it with dishware after the meal, put it away while dessert is warming. Large group, no more worries about having too much stuff for the 90 minute dishwasher which virtually happens every time the group is 10+, and you end up hand washing a bunch of dishes late at night AND waiting 90 minutes for the fucking Bosch, AND getting up in the morning and having to unload the fucking Bosch. Fill it up between courses, put stuff away, fill it up again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I also love getting up in the morning to a sparkling clean kitchen with no dishes to unload. And my kids are pretty much growed up now, so no worries about accidental chaos with little ones.
Makes absolutely perfect sense to me.
[QUOTE=oftpiste;5072176] I lived for years with cheap, American appliances and never once called the repairman. They know me by name at Appliance Service Center. /QUOTE]
I wondered about that ^^ also are the cheap american appliances are still as easy to fix/trouble free ?
but anyway, try breathing in and out ... just breathing
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Oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by oftpiste
Adderall?
Jeez, do I sound that bad?
Perhaps it's the crazy shit going on in my life. Full disclosure to come.