Too Many Tourists In Colorado

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/17...owns-too-busy/

Similarly, State Of Utah marketing has done such a good job that our national parks are beyond stressed and a total shitshow during the summers. Even the ad agency Utah hired admits the did too good of a job.

But the irony of transplants moving to CO and working for tourists are now complaining about too many tourists is too much. Hard to feel sorry for them, but I do understand their gripes of having a crowded town, crowded trails, etc.

More info on how CO benefits from tourism money: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/20...-tourism-2015/

Pretty soon it will be Bunny time in CO.
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Nope. Too many tourists. Heh.

Now I'm second guessing my ski trip to Vail I planned for this winter, too many fucking tourists everywhere.

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

I think the recent influx is due to weed. Its crazy to think John Denver knew this would happen when he wrote this 40 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

I think the recent influx is due to weed. Its crazy to think John Denver knew this would happen when he wrote this 40 years ago.

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John Denver's full of shit.

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

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Says who?

I think that there is a valid discussion to be had about whether the goal should be attracting as many tourists as possible at all times without regards to capacity, sustainability, dilution of experience for all, and impact on the community.

My question is if there is so much money pouring in, where is the infrastructure investment to support the capacity?

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

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I always thought this was a wobbly argument and inevitably divisive.
What is a valid "there"? When? How many generations? What proximity to "there"?

No one is from everywhere. Everyone is. It's all inevitably infinitely interconnected.
Staying in the womb just isn't an option. Trying to get back there as often as possible can be satisfying as long as one is willing to put up with substitutes.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

John Denver's full of shit.

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Shut yer filthy whore mouth.

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Originally Posted by Summit

My question is if there is so much money pouring in, where is the infrastructure investment to support the capacity?

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Being opposed by the locals? It's a hard truth that most people, myself included, want service at a price and usage level that are unprofitable in the current world. Empty lifts and runs for a pittance. Similarly many residents seem to want the benefits of a tourist economy - restaurants and bars, a nice ski hill, "easy" tourist dollars without what comes with - seasonal crowds, "gapers", expensive second homes. That's just human nature, but it's not sustainable. The idea you can make serious tourist $ without either severely limiting access and charging for it, or going for large numbers, runs into basic economics. And there's no sympathy for those who moved to a mountain place to cash in on tourist $ and are willing to take the $ and sneer at the people who came from some place else to enjoy it too. aka old goats argument is only divisive because of the ego attached to being a local by so many. you are there, as tourist or local, you can "improve it", "spoil it", or pass through like water.

Denver eh? The sunshine state.

Gorgeous!

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

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I qualify.

I don't really bitch about the tourists though. For better or worse, it's a huge part of the economy here, always will be.

Doesn't take that much creativity to get away from them, either.

The better question...Do you want to turn that faucet off ?

80 percent of people are in 20 percent of the places. Your experience depends on which 20 percent you find yourself in

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

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You mean the people who were born here and are either the:

a) descendants of recent transplants

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b) descendants of people who murdered the Native Americans who lived here and stole their land?

No one has any right to complain about people moving anywhere - especially not in Colorado. This land is your land, this land is my land. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself. Northern Nevada is beautiful this time of year and you'll probably have the place to yourself for a while.

See you on I-70.

Maybe a lot of these people aren't "tourists". Maybe they're Colorado residents using the outdoor recreation opportunities they moved to the state for. The front range is growing and thriving.

"Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

Colorado has been crowded during winter months forever, but the first article I posted is about summers being out of hand and a huge recent increase of traffic in some areas.
I naively thought telluride this summer would be a bit mellow, being so far away from large cities. I'll go again, but it's borderline for me being too busy. Same with Ouray. CB was bad too, but man the trails will bring me back.

Is Lake City similarly busy too? Seems more out of the way and less of a tourist destination.

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Now I'm second guessing my ski trip to Vail I planned for this winter, too many fucking tourists everywhere.

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You should quadruple guess the idea of going to Vail for a ski trip.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

This land is your land, this land is my land. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself.

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Sig worthy. the FS should have to print that at the bottom of every sign they erect.

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Originally Posted by muted

Is Lake City similarly busy too? Seems more out of the way and less of a tourist destination.

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Remember, it's close to Texas.

Some areas are certainly getting "over loved" in summer.
East side RMNP, East side Indian Peaks, Grays + Torreys come to mind immediately. I get it, they are gorgeous areas, but people need to spread out a bit.

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Originally Posted by muted

I naively thought telluride this summer would be a bit mellow, being so far away from large cities.

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Hah! There is a different festival or event there literally every week all summer. Every hotel room is booked every weekend. They try hard to cultivate their image as a sleepy mountain town, but it hasn't been that way for a long time.

Ask a T-Ride local if they think there should be another festival added. Report back.

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Every hotel room is booked every weekend..

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If midweeks aren't, that's where you add the festivals. If you don't, someone else will.

Hilarious.

People bitching that when they go places now it's too crowded?

Uhh, stop going there, you ARE the problem.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Remember, it's close to Texas.

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Good point. I think I asked almost everyone where they were from on dozens of gondola rides in Telluride, and many were from Texas.

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Hah! There is a different festival or event there literally every week all summer. Every hotel room is booked every weekend. They try hard to cultivate their image as a sleepy mountain town, but it hasn't been that way for a long time.

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Ya, hotel nights during festivals are unaffordable. Had to delay our trip by a day because of this.

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Originally Posted by old goat

The only people who have a right to complain about too many tourists are people who were a) born there and b) have made their living from a non-tourist business. Anyone here qualify? (Not that complaining about it will do any good.)

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I don't qualify even though I've been here almost a quarter century and don't even work in the private sector. But I do not buy this line of thought; even if your business is "non-tourist", you'd have to go further and say a business that does not depend in any way on the local economy. Because even if you make widgets, if local businesses are buying your widgets, you're benefiting from the growth. But your whole premise is flawed because

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

You mean the people who were born here and are either the:

a) descendants of recent transplants

- or -

b) descendants of people who murdered the Native Americans who lived here and stole their land?

No one has any right to complain about people moving anywhere - especially not in Colorado. This land is your land, this land is my land. If you don't like it, go fuck yourself. Northern Nevada is beautiful this time of year and you'll probably have the place to yourself for a while.

See you on I-70.

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This. First, we're all entitled to move where we want; we're constitutionally guaranteed that right. And second, unless you're native, you're still an interloper.

Also tourism tax and all money spent by tourists benefits everyone in town, no matter where they work, as Danno mentioned. Everyones boat rises in the flood.

A gross generalization, but you get my drift.

Any "local" who moved somewhere because the property taxes are lower than average, who in turn complains that their infrastructure sucks, should do everyone a favor and shoot themselves in the face. I can't count the number of politicians who've tried to sarcastically ask me if I'd pay higher taxes in exchange for a particular resource. They're always amazed that the answer is yes. Pretty sure no one ever built a highway just with sales tax.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

John Denver's full of shit.

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John Denver is now part of Colorado and being trod upon by all those tourists.

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Funeral services were held at Faith Presbyterian Church in Aurora, Colorado, on October 17, 1997, officiated by Pastor Les Felker, a retired Air Force chaplain, following which Denver's remains were cremated and his ashes were scattered in the Rocky Mountains.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

Any "local" who moved somewhere because the property taxes are lower than average, who in turn complains that their infrastructure sucks, should do everyone a favor and shoot themselves in the face. I can't count the number of politicians who've tried to sarcastically ask me if I'd pay higher taxes in exchange for a particular resource. They're always amazed that the answer is yes. Pretty sure no one ever built a highway just with sales tax.

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with you on that one too. I feel like I'm one of the few people who likes paying taxes (well, doesn't like it, but I get that its part of our whole society contract).

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Originally Posted by adrenalated

I qualify.

I don't really bitch about the tourists though. For better or worse, it's a huge part of the economy here, always will be.

Doesn't take that much creativity to get away from them, either.

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I qualify, but not for CO. And yeah, it's pretty easy to know when they're coming and how to avoid them and their traffic. This applies to any tourist-driven locale. Real locals rarely complain about tourists because more often than not it's nothing new. There are exceptions, of course.

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Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

Any "local" who moved somewhere because the property taxes are lower than average, who in turn complains that their infrastructure sucks, should do everyone a favor and shoot themselves in the face. I can't count the number of politicians who've tried to sarcastically ask me if I'd pay higher taxes in exchange for a particular resource. They're always amazed that the answer is yes. Pretty sure no one ever built a highway just with sales tax.

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I agree with Danno often, but it's not everyday I give grumpy old STFU a big +1.

I used to bitch about tourists a bunch when I was a kid growing up in Florida. At least tourists in CO like weed and are often attractive young females.

I don't bitch any more. Nor do I work in an industry that is getting much help from tourists. Gov't -- but the vast majority of our $$$ are federal grants that would occur w/ or w/o tourism or growth. In fact, growth fucks us pretty hard as we're supposed to serve more and more people with the same amount of $'s.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

John Denver's full of shit.

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Denver eh? The sunshine state.

Gorgeous!

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I feel like these two didn't get enough play. Kudos.


Hugh would have a field day with Old Goat's nativism test. Lol, only on a ski forum. I'll high five all you core locals all the way from EGE to the Beav this winter every time I'm coming through. Twice at the property tax office too if you care to join me.

Stfu nailed it. Danno added the constitutional sprinkles on the cake.

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Old Goat's nativism test. Lol, only on a ski forum.

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wrong. this shit is all over the place, hardly unique to the ski forum.

And FFS, can you stop sucking Hugh's cock, I would have thought you'd have choked to death by now.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

John Denver's full of shit.

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Originally Posted by Danno

wrong. this shit is all over the place, hardly unique to the ski forum.

And FFS, can you stop sucking Hugh's cock, I would have thought you'd have choked to death by now.

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True it is everywhere.

Hey man, I'm just pointing out this was Hugh's schtick. Matter of fact that's all I point out regarding him. Did he hit on your wife or something?

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Originally Posted by Summit

Says who?

I think that there is a valid discussion to be had about whether the goal should be attracting as many tourists as possible at all times without regards to capacity, sustainability, dilution of experience for all, and impact on the community.

My question is if there is so much money pouring in, where is the infrastructure investment to support the capacity?

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Thank you! I mentioned this in the I70 thread. 77 million tourons visited CO in 2015. Where's the fucking money to support this unsustainable increase? Also, apparently we need to hire more park ranger baby sitters to monitor popular spots like Hanging Lake because every touron idiot has to get their selfie or Instagram pic walking on the log or trashing up the place or bothering wildlife.