Why does everyone hate Summit County / Eagle County and Denver?

I get it. I70 is a traffic shitshow and the resorts are crowded on the weekends. That shit sucks.


But, I've been a member on this forum for a while now and all the hate for Summit County still baffles me.

I think there is awesome terrain. The lake chutes and the east wall are gnar. Abasin is a cool place that stays open later in the summer than almost any other mountain in the US, with awesome parking lot parties. Even Vail, with all its corporatist bullshit, can be incredible. The back bowls on a good pow day are incredible to ski, and Beaver Creek is a sneakily good mountain. Nevermind the fact that Keystone has one of the best terrain parks in America (if you are into that )

I know the I70 shitshow is a major part of why people hate on Colorado, but the road really isn't bad on the weekdays. I would way rather deal with an hour and a half drive on I70 than the guaranteed 4 hours on I80 from the bay.... Although I will admit that SLC does have a much better commute to the mountains than Denver

I sincerely believe that if you want to live in a major metro area, Denver is hands down the best option. SLC has better access to good skiing, but Denver is a much more vibrant city, and is much more progressive socially and culturally. Plus, the brown cloud in the winter can be absolutely horrific there. Seattle has a lot of things going for it, but the weather would be a big downer for me. San Francisco is an incredible city, but the 4 hour drive to Tahoe puts it in a different ballpark than Denver / SLC / Tahoe. Shit, I was in Tahoe for New Years this year, and I'll admit that Squaw and Kirkwood have some terrain that is arguably better than Summit County, but Heavenly was underwhelming and Northstar was flatter than Keystone.

I also understand that a big part of the hate for the I70 corridor comes from the insane crowds on the weekends. I will admit that Breck on a Saturday can be extremely crowded. The thing is, that if you know how to ski the mountains, you can somewhat avoid the crowds, and crowds on the weekdays are nonexistent. Tahoe over New Years was just as crowded a shitshow as Vail over New Years would have been. Shit, I waited in a 30 minute line once at Alta on a pow day. I'm not hating on either of these areas, just pointing out what I consider to be hypocrisy on these forums.

Living in Denver / Boulder you have unbelievable recreational options within a few hours. Aspen, Crested Butte, Telluride, Silverton, Ouray, Rocky Mountain National Park, etc, etc. I know Denver and the I70 corridor are not perfect, but I still do not understand why this forum acts like we are worse than the damn east coast.

you are a real estate agent?

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Originally Posted by DasBlunt

you are a real estate agent?

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Lmao no, just sticking up for the place I was born and raised, and am genuinely curious why everyone on this forum hates Colorado

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Originally Posted by WTF is dat

Lmao no, just sticking up for the place I was born and raised, and am genuinely curious why everyone on this forum hates Colorado

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No argument here, Summit County is the best.

I love CO.

Summit just has too many people much of the time and the gaper quotient can be quite high.
Same as most places near a big city.

This has been up for 7 hours and Benny hasn't added his sage wisdom yet? Color me shocked. (I don't have anything substantive to contribute, just observing)

It's no Pitkin Co, but it's 'aight.

If we're ranking counties, I prefer Grand & Routt.
Best park of Summit/Eagle is Eagles Nest.

Unfortunately too many like Denver and Summit County...that's why it's currently overflowing with people.

Although the local economy is great, the city is bustling. It's pretty cool to see.

Crowds.

this should get interesting

it seams like most people who hate on summit don't even live here and if they did they last a couple weeks or a season, maybe two, don't know where it comes from but it's pretty popular to do, like any place out there it has it's negatives and positives

I've been here a long time now and you just sit back and watch everything with a smirk, peoples attitudes and opinions, the age old question what is a local? How do you become one whats the requirements? People who have stuck it out don't really get caught up in how long they've been around.

it seems to have died down a bit but the "go home gaper" thing was pretty silly and still is, typical I'm better than you I just got here atittude. My favorite was years ago I was strolling down mainstreet at christmas, taking in all the bullshit festive vibe, and the tourists milling around having the time of their lives. Some kids leans out the the second story bar window and yells at me "go home gaper" and continues verbally assaulting me, I had nothing to say, just laughed and smiled.

This is the place where everyone thinks they are bigger and better than they really are

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Originally Posted by fastfred

what is a local? How do you become one whats the requirements?

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Benny is a local. Just ask him.

im a fishy ski bum if i was a culturally vibrant into social progression spend time on that stuff bum
being farther way from kick ass skiing and fishing may not bug me
slc is better geographically located to more diverse outoddor rec ops
cept nader/storm chasin in nebuttfuckaska
i blame blurred for your percieved physco ops hate

What a pansy. If you like it, fine, that should be good enough. Why bother to explain it to others?

The thing about Colorado is how common it is and how defensive people can be about it. It's the first thing on most SKI Magazine skiers minds as the Promised Land of Snow. My pals who live there love it but they really don't give a shit about whatever Hate you're referring to and you shouldn't either.

Blurred11s and the summit county crew, that's why...

I can't "hate" an inanimate object like a geographical region. What I can "dislike" is a certain types of people who seem swarm to to the easily accessible mountain communities in Colorado such as Summit County and, to a lessor extent, Grand County. Those more eloquent than I can probably come up with a better term, but I'll call them Entitled New Age Twats.

The ENATs are generally second home owners, pass holders or some other type of "regulars". They are not gapers, just ask them. They can be characterized by a few personality traits.

1. They are never the cause of the problem, "I can't believe it is so busy on a powder day, where did all these people come from?"

2. Belief that economic reality should be suspended for their convenience, "Why are groceries so much more expensive here than at King Soopers in Lakewood?", "That is way too expensive, I could get my house in Centennial painted for half that!"

3. Philosophy that these mountain communities exist solely to serve them as if the entire county is a Four Seasons. When they roll out on a Sunday evening, they think that the working class will just punch in on Monday and pick up their dog's shit, roll their garbage out to the curb and print some more money to provide whatever service they believe the local tax payers should provide for them.

4. Most importantly they are rarely satisfied and seldom happy. The peasants could always be doing something better for them. They have no soul. The only pleasure they receive is from the self-absorbed feeling that they are getting closer to the center of the universe and that if they keep at it, one day, the earth may truly revolve around them.

For everyone of these ENATS, there are tons of starter jacket wearing families of Nebraskans who drove overnight in a minivan, mellow rich guys with pony tales, regular folks from Thonrton, cowboys eating shit on the ice with their snake skins on, hard working mexicans and all kinds of regular people who are a pleasure to be around.

But these ENATs, it is what make people hate places like Summit County.

thank jah and joesph that we got mo mos and skanky valey air
and you got legal edibles and the myopic cunt bunny fluffers
you just described

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Originally Posted by fastfred

This is the place where everyone thinks they are bigger and better than they really are

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I feel like that attitude is prevalent everywhere these days.

ENATS Are EVERYWHERE.

^^^^ Bumper sticker?

Hate is the internet's gift to mankind.

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Originally Posted by skifishbum

im a fishy ski bum if i was a culturally vibrant into social progression spend time on that stuff bum
being farther way from kick ass skiing and fishing may not bug me
slc is better geographically located to more diverse outoddor rec ops
cept nader/storm chasin in nebuttfuckaska
i blame blurred for your percieved physco ops hate

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Yeah I covered this in my original post, if you read it.

SLC has a way better commute to the mountains. But, living in Boulder I have insane fishing / skiing / mtbiking / recreational opportunities at my fingertips. The Indian Peaks Wilderness, RMNP, countless miles of singletrack, all within an hour drive. Shit, there is even lift served skiing 40 minutes from Boulder.

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

The ENATs are generally second home owners, pass holders or some other type of "regulars". They are not gapers, just ask them. They can be characterized by a few personality traits.

1. They are never the cause of the problem, "I can't believe it is so busy on a powder day, where did all these people come from?"

2. Belief that economic reality should be suspended for their convenience, "Why are groceries so much more expensive here than at King Soopers in Lakewood?", "That is way too expensive, I could get my house in Centennial painted for half that!"

3. Philosophy that these mountain communities exist solely to serve them as if the entire county is a Four Seasons. When they roll out on a Sunday evening, they think that the working class will just punch in on Monday and pick up their dog's shit, roll their garbage out to the curb and print some more money to provide whatever service they believe the local tax payers should provide for them.

4. Most importantly they are rarely satisfied and seldom happy. The peasants could always be doing something better for them. They have no soul. The only pleasure they receive is from the self-absorbed feeling that they are getting closer to the center of the universe and that if they keep at it, one day, the earth may truly revolve around them.

For everyone of these ENATS, there are tons of starter jacket wearing families of Nebraskans who drove overnight in a minivan, mellow rich guys with pony tales, regular folks from Thonrton, cowboys eating shit on the ice with their snake skins on, hard working mexicans and all kinds of regular people who are a pleasure to be around.

But these ENATs, it is what make people hate places like Summit County.

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wow, don't know what to say, that was interesting to say the least, I guess there is a lot of people like that around here, but I don't pay much attention to them, occasionally they show their stupidity but I just laugh a guess, we have a whole foods now, lets just say...........

my all time favorite though

was sitting at the bar getting hammered during the busy season must have been four or so deep behind me waiting for drinks, some guy is waiving his money in the air and the bartender keeps ignoring him, finally he starts stomping on the floor, blown away, guess some people never get out or they are just assholes

so why does the fact that some people hate, i'm super content with my location and could possiby be as content in brolorado as it is
make you so fuckin butthurt despite the insane shizz within an hour?
and your missing the aint much to the east worth drivin and all the cool shit wests farther geographic point

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Originally Posted by skifishbum

so why does the fact that some people hate, i'm super content with my location and could possiby be as content in brolorado as it is
make you so fuckin butthurt despite the insane shizz within an hour?
and your missing the aint much to the east worth drivin and all the cool shit wests farther geographic point

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No butthurt with me, I got drunk in the sun skiing at a basin yesterday.
I am just calling out what I perceive as hypocrisy regarding summit county.


It is odd that you are claiming you could be happy in Colorado when I have seen you talk shit about Summit County numerous times on this forum.

Lived in the Denver Metro area and skied SuCo for over twenty years before moving to the Durango area last fall. I was never a "local" but I loved skiing there and was fortunate to get to know a bunch of great people who love to ski and love where they live...I miss them all but when we made the decision to move to the mountains SuCo never even made the list. To us, it was too much like living in a Denver suburb which, after doing the suburb thing pretty much all our lives we were ready for a change. I'm not knocking it, (well maybe a little) there are benefits to having that many people around but if you can put up with a small level of inconvenience there are many other places that offer just as much for a lot less.

Denver is a great town. Putting aside all the shit that comes along with large, heavily populated metro areas it is by far the best large city I ever lived in and never regretted once moving there. Great jobs, great people and a cool, active vibe that most big cities think they have but don't even come close. Perfect place for a young person to set up camp for awhile and make some money before they decide what to do when they grow up.

One of the best things about Summit that no one mentions: Lake Dillon. Great to have that all summer.

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I think there is awesome terrain. The lake chutes and the east wall are gnar. Abasin is a cool place that stays open later in the summer than almost any other mountain in the US, with awesome parking lot parties. Even Vail, with all its corporatist bullshit, can be incredible. The back bowls on a good pow day are incredible to ski, and Beaver Creek is a sneakily good mountain. Nevermind the fact that Keystone has one of the best terrain parks in America (if you are into that ).

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If the east wall, fingers, rock pile, east vail, etc. all got 500" a year they'd get a ton of attention. But they don't, the skiing can come with a heinous drive, huge crowds at times, a resort "experience" that adds a ton of work before you even get to the lift and the entire bc can be sketchy/wind blown for long stretches of time. There are just so many better places in the country to be a skier.

That's just from a straight up skiing perspective though. Of course there are a million great reasons to live where you do. I grew up in Boulder, lived in Denver and breck for 3 years a piece and would happily do so again if life called for it. Although if I did I'd try and ski with a former mag who's been slaying the gore range this year, that shit looks legit.

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Originally Posted by WTF is dat

No butthurt with me, I got drunk in the sun skiing at a basin yesterday. Even saw a dude throw a rodeo off the down rail. I am unbelievably blessed.

I am just calling out what I perceive as hypocrisy regarding summit county.


It is odd that you are claiming you could be happy in Colorado when I have seen you talk shit about Summit County numerous times on this forum.

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i woudnt take any of the 8sumthin k posts a stoner skibum one fingered typed real cereal
i'm super blessed and goin to fire off some fish stoke or doggie stokes in that threads
and be 1 post closer to a 1oker
enjoy your awesome progressive social media hypocrisy call out thread
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Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.

I live in Summit. Probably the most wearing things for me are the bitter old locals who just hate on everything, and then the crowd that just uses Summit as a place to come party/act like an asshole. I think Foggy pretty much nailed the worst of them in his ENATS post.

Also, I agree with Garth when he says that it's like living in a Denver suburb. Pretty difficult to have a connection to your community, when it's essentially just an extension of Denver, but a lot of people are here because they specifically don't want to be a part of a large city like Denver. It's a weird dynamic.

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I live in Summit. Probably the most wearing things for me are the bitter old locals who just hate on everything, and then the crowd that just uses Summit as a place to come party/act like an asshole. I think Foggy pretty much nailed the worst of them in his ENATS post.

Also, I agree with Garth when he says that it's like living in a Denver suburb. Pretty difficult to have a connection to your community, when it's essentially just an extension of Denver, but a lot of people are here because they specifically don't want to be a part of a large city like Denver. It's a weird dynamic.

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I went to elementary school in Boulder back in the mid to late '80s, so I have the sort of memories of the area that are very fond and also filtered through odd prism of childhood.

I'm sure I would be just fine living there now -it's a nice area and Denver is clearly thriving - but I'm sure the crowds, costs, and attitude would not be similar to what my parents found so appealing 30 years ago.

And, yes, it's not so bad if you're not a 9-5er. But for most people, the appeal of a city like Denver is that they can find a good 9-5 and still have weekend access to the mountains.

I think colorado is dope! The mountains there are unbelievable and there is great access.

My issue with colorado is the people. Local and transplants alike. We all think colorado is a cool state but all Coloradans just want to slam that shit down your throat. "We're the best! Tell me my state is the best! John elway is god!" Seriously, no one fucking cares you live in colorado. News flash, every state west of colorado is rad. Colorado is not special. Is it geologically blessed? Hell yea it, no one really argues with that.

And as far as ski resorts go.... there are some amazing ski towns and ski resorts. They ain't off i70 or close to the front range tho, and they usually need a good amount of snow to really come into play. There are plenty of cool mountains everywhere west of denver in colorado, tons of recreational opportunities amd tons of bros to tell you how dope colorado is

Why do coloradans always need validation?
Maybe thats a reason for the colorado hate?

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I think colorado is dope! The mountains there are unbelievable and there is great access.

My issue with colorado is the people. Local and transplants alike. We all think colorado is a cool state but all Coloradans just want to slam that shit down your throat. "We're the best! Tell me my state is the best! John elway is god!" Seriously, no one fucking cares you live in colorado. News flash, every state west of colorado is rad. Colorado is not special. Is it geologically blessed? Hell yea it, no one really argues with that.

And as far as ski resorts go.... there are some amazing ski towns and ski resorts. They ain't off i70 or close to the front range tho, and they usually need a good amount of snow to really come into play. There are plenty of cool mountains everywhere west of denver in colorado, tons of recreational opportunities amd tons of bros to tell you how dope colorado is

Why do coloradans always need validation?
Maybe thats a reason for the colorado hate?

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Hit the nail on the head. Seeing more and more "I'll bet you were cool in Colorado stickers" these days, always crack me up.

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Hit the nail on the head. Seeing more and more "I'll bet you were cool in Colorado stickers" these days, always crack me up.

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That'll look good next to the "Noone cares you ski Alta" sticker

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

I think colorado is dope! The mountains there are unbelievable and there is great access.

My issue with colorado is the people. Local and transplants alike. We all think colorado is a cool state but all Coloradans just want to slam that shit down your throat. "We're the best! Tell me my state is the best! John elway is god!" Seriously, no one fucking cares you live in colorado. News flash, every state west of colorado is rad. Colorado is not special. Is it geologically blessed? Hell yea it, no one really argues with that.

And as far as ski resorts go.... there are some amazing ski towns and ski resorts. They ain't off i70 or close to the front range tho, and they usually need a good amount of snow to really come into play. There are plenty of cool mountains everywhere west of denver in colorado, tons of recreational opportunities amd tons of bros to tell you how dope colorado is

Why do coloradans always need validation?
Maybe thats a reason for the colorado hate?

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I don't know one Coloradan who acts like that. Who are these people you run into? Likely 1 year old transplants?

I actually have never skied Summit County, I just hope everyone skis it and leaves us alone in Utah with our frustrated Mormon women...

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Hit the nail on the head. Seeing more and more "I'll bet you were cool in Colorado stickers" these days, always crack me up.

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Like the Teton Valley doesn't have it's own special brand of smug. Too busy sucking your own dicks trying to be the Anti Jackson while properly coordinating your trucker hat, muck boots and the latest patagonia puffy to realize that the jokes on you. "Lets go ski Oliver...again" [/joke]

I'm in full agreement that some believe that living in Colorado is some type of accomplishment. It's another ENATs trait, always keeping score. They honestly feel than they are better than someone that lives in...say...Houston. They also believe in some type of pecking order of ski towns. I think it goes T-ride, Aspen, Vail>>>everywhere else. I'm hoping that Winter Park is still on the bottom of the list.

Honestly, I can be a little embarrassed to say I'm from Colorado. I've had this conversation with many service industry employees in Hawaii, France, Florida etc. and the CO reputation is a know-it-all that is really trying too hard to be cool.

I love Colorado. And there are assholes from everywhere. Colorado just really seems to have a lock on a certain type of high disposable income doosh that likes to act all mountain-y. Walk around DIA, observe all the choads in their never-been-to a jobsite Carhartts. They are the same losers with the freshly snowsealed Kinco's who just want to talk about gear on the chairlift.

Again, I don't let in run my life and all stereotypes are by definition false, but if you don't see it...time to check the mirror.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

John elway is god!

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I think he might be, actually. :biggrin:

Because fuck Colorado, the tomatoes are way better in New Jersey.

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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles

Like the Teton Valley doesn't have it's own special brand of smug. Too busy sucking your own dicks trying to be the Anti Jackson while properly coordinating your trucker hat, muck boots and the latest patagonia puffy to realize that the jokes on you. "Lets go ski Oliver...again" [/joke]

I'm in full agreement that some believe that living in Colorado is some type of accomplishment. It's another ENATs trait, always keeping score. They honestly feel than they are better than someone that lives in...say...Houston. They also believe in some type of pecking order of ski towns. I think it goes T-ride, Aspen, Vail>>>everywhere else. I'm hoping that Winter Park is still on the bottom of the list.

Honestly, I can be a little embarrassed to say I'm from Colorado. I've had this conversation with many service industry employees in Hawaii, France, Florida etc. and the CO reputation is a know-it-all that is really trying too hard to be cool.

I love Colorado. And there are assholes from everywhere. Colorado just really seems to have a lock on a certain type of high disposable income doosh that likes to act all mountain-y. Walk around DIA, observe all the choads in their never-been-to a jobsite Carhartts. They are the same losers with the freshly snowsealed Kinco's who just want to talk about gear on the chairlift.

Again, I don't let in run my life and all stereotypes are by definition false, but if you don't see it...time to check the mirror.

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Jackson Hole is the ski center of the fucking universe.