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Ok, so the peer pressure finally got to me. Let's move onward and upward.
Continue the discussion HERE from the thread located THERE: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...nd-Lust/page40
New Catalog for 2016/2017:
https://issuu.com/on3pskis/docs/on3p...log_2016_issuu
New photos coming in hot shortly.
Beautiful lineup. Some very cool stuff, like the extra explanation on the specs and features in the Issuu
189 98 Wtenegades will be purchased next year... And to confirm PowTron they will still charge like their larger brother 108... I want a 95 to 100 underfoot ski, but I still want it to get after it...
And by far the best lineup you guys have put out... Still rocking the orig 191 112 underfoot graffiti Wrenegade...
I'm thinking a 98 Wren and a BG would make up the perfect 2-ski quiver...
That OG wren is one of my all time favorite skis. My is a bit hammered, but I am always Loki f for something that rides like that 191.
189 Wren 108 charges like the old 191
I skied the 98 wren at the Loveland demo day, freaking great ski. Don't have experience on the older Wrens for reference, but the 98 lived up to my expectations for laying trenches and wanting to go fast. Shockingly easy to break out of a turn though and more nimble than I thought they would be.
Have you skied the Blizzard Bonafide? I wonder how they'd compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvskinn
Never been on the bonafide, don't really have a a ton of experience on other skis for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikdes26
That goat topsheet, though. I know it skis the same as the old one and is a little more dialed, but I wish there was still a 191 at 118mm underfoot...
Have you skied it? I'll wait until someone who's not affiliated with ON3P confirms that before I get too interested. That new C&D shape looks sexy, too!Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
But I splurged and bought backup woodgrain 191 Goats with an extra-stiff tail, so no more pow skis for me for the next 5 years.
The Wren 98 is more "wren-like" than the current Wren 102...it charges but is a little more nimble than the 108 due to width, obviously. Same rocker and flex profile as the 108.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Glad you liked them. It was cold out that day...or I am just a pussy now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvskinn
Gracias. We really tried to expand the tech section for the spec nerds out there (I am one of those, too) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Moving onward and upward;). Billygoat stoke!
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Glad to hear you guys didn't dumb it down like the 102 was.Quote:
Originally Posted by PowTron
JV and POW thanks for the reply..! That is exactly what I wanted to hear... I will get with my shop and put an order in for the 189 98... I have wanted a sub 100 for a while that was similar to its bigger brother... Definitely stoked...
And SC I am with you... I will never part with my 191 118 underfoot Billys... At 6'4" and 205 lbs I need all the length and width (insert joke here) and the new dims don't do it for me... However, at my size I am not the norm...
I was somewhat hesitant at first coming off the 191 BG protos but have been perfectly content with the 189s, 6'2" and 190lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
let's put some money on that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I'd be interested in hearing a soft snow comparison between the new wren 108/cochise of the opportunity presents itself for someone.
It's 3 cm in length diff. That's not even considered just the tip. Hell, I'd take a 196 BG, but I doubt the difference b/w 189 to 191 and a few mm on width is noticeable. Now a 186 longest length on the wren was unacceptable :fmicon: glad they changed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Sold my 1st gen RES BGs but will get back in the game I thinks with next years model. The 196 bodacious I have are definitely not as versatile or fun in pow and the BG has 80-90% of the stability.
Some ol 191 stoke
I think everyone is losing site of the comments that the length reduction was accomplished by chopping 2cm off the tail, and only so the 191 could be called a 189. 19x is too intimidating a number on retailers' websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
Cheers,
Thom
I hear and no the difference between the two are negligible... I would take a 193 if they made it... I also own 196 Renegades and love the length and ski... Scott's decision to go sub 190 was brilliant as the 190+ market is minimal... My shop won't carry anything over 189 and has to be special ordered...Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
And agree with you on the 186 Wren... I own the first generation 191 and will use them until they die...
Shit, I went from a 191 BG to a 186, and really noticed no difference. Since we're comparing height and weight. 5 foot 9. 220lbs.
To follow up on the 14/15 thread, I wrote in post #958 (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...Lust?p=4662056):
Yesterday, I took out my 181 Coombas (2nd year production/no rocker) and (surprise!) my memory was accurate. While they're very similar, the key differences were as I recall - that the 108 Wrens allow you to release the tip/tail more easily when you need to navigate through tight spots, rocks, tight chokes, etc. The Wrens also initiate turns quite a bit more quickly. IOW, all of the good points of the Coomba with the added bonus that you can ski them more easily in tight spots. What's not to like?Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Cheers,
Thom
Mmmmm. Looks like a good lineup. The new Wren 98 sounds good but I am also intrigued by the Wren 88. Might be the perfect midwest tele ski to replace my ancient much beloved Sickbirds. I ride 180 Brahma's with training heels and they rock but they'd be a bit too demanding for me on teleboards. Can't wait to hear some reviews! To me these seem like targeted Brahma and Bonafide killers for people that need/want bigger guns...slightly longer turning radius with ON3P's ridiculous dampness for maching. Assuming they rip on ice/hardpack these could be great.
Holy shit I just scrolled through to the last page to find the Charlie Murphy kids ski!? Can I get a pair of 141's in pink please? (seriously)
FWIW...the Wren 88 is STUPID FUN. Yes I am biased, but holy crap does that thing rail. It is actually stiffer than the Wren 98 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
Most bomber "kid" ski on the market...it is made just like all our other skis. As for a pink topsheet who knows what custom colors we may offer next Fall! For your daughter or do you just want the best looking snowblades on the hill? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
Blurry phone shot just now of the Demos I have in CO for 16/17 so far. The fleet will be growing and swapping out with the current models over the next couple of months.
L to R (excuse them not being grouped properly as I am already drinking for the weekend):
Wren 98 - 184
Kartel 98 - 181
Magnus - 181
Kartel 108 - 186
Wren 108 (Extra Stiff) - 184
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Don't sleep on the current 15/16 gear if you are interested, though. Can't go wrong either way.
Speaking of... I literally JUST paid for a 184 BG. Got a deal that I couldn't pass up. That's 2 ON3P skis in the quiver now (Jeffrey). Will the Wren 88 or 98 be number 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by PowTron
Me wonders how comparable the Wren 108 would be to the Vicik, and similarly the Wren 98 to the Tychoon?
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Originally Posted by gepmeow
As I recall, there was a dialog about that in the previous thread (2014/15). They weren't on my radar, so I can't recall the specifics, but you'll find a lot of useful conversation over there.
Cheers,
Thom
nope, haven’t seen any discussion about comparing these models yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I’m mainly wondering how comparably the 186/184 lengths would ski given their listed spec similarities:
Vicik (106)
186cm
136/106/126
26.6m turning radius
155cm effective edge
2.29kg/ski
Wren 108
184cm
138/108/126
27.5m turning radius
153cm effective edge
2.25kg/ski
Tychoon (96)
186cm
126/96/126
26.5m turning radius
155cm effective edge
2.02kg/ski
Wren 98
184cm
128/98/118
24.1m turning radius
153cm effective edge
2.12kg/ski
The main difference to my knowledge is that the wren 108 and 98 are stiffer than the vicik or tychoon. Otherwise, subtle refinements to sidecut/taper shape and rocker profile.
What is the Bonafide but a relatively easy to turn, no-brains, ski pick for average conditions days for light to mid weight riders.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikdes26
If these are anything like my previous ON3P then they are more stout, damp, directional and responsive.
Do lots of Kegal exercises, stretch in the morning, get lots of sleep the night before, make sure your boots are well fit, and show there mountain what getting beaten by a good bamboo ski feels like.
I just made all that shit up. But it's probably true. Can't wait to get my next ski in veneer option :)
FYI the Bonafide is my wife's easy day ski. The Billy Goat is her 3D snow ski. The Vicik is my everyday ski.
I picked the Bones exactly for their versatility. I can ski them anywhere. My new BGs will be for the deep and crud days. I was just wondering how the 98 Wren compares to the Bonafide, especially on the firm steeps. The Bones edge well and initiate turns well. Decent stability and can charge some... some...Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Also, I find the Bonafide to be good despite my 200 pounds, though I suspect the Wren would be a better fit... Maybe next year since I just bought some BGs. Regarding average conditions, I'm in Oregon. Every day is pretty much average.
I suppose if money and inventory was no concern, then ski makers would make a profile matrix composed of skis of different lengths and within that selection, skis of different flex. If you're 200lbs then the Wrenegades might be just the ticket if you are in PNW snow. My Viciks (veneer a bit more stout) are really awesome when things get tracked out at Whistler. Can't really see using them further inland where a lighter ski confers equal pleasure.
I really need those 88 width Wrens for the refrozen hardpack days around here.
To bad the Canadian dollar sucks all the fun out of cross border shopping at the moment.
The similar ski, let's say a locally made Foon, is going to be a lot cheaper for me.
Perhaps ON3P can make a reorder special discount offer for Canuckistan customers that ordered skis in years back. Please, pretty please ;)
If the Wren 98 flex is anything close to the current 112, which it sounds like is the case, then it can charge way, way harder than a Bonafide. But of course it won't be as smooth in bumps if you actually try to ski them in a traditional style and not just make big turns over them (I tend to prefer the latter anyway).
My bump skiing days ended 20 years ago. Something stable at speed is right up my alley.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ