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Labs & huskies have maimed more kids around this country than pitties. That's what makes that law so unbelievably retarded. What's next, rounding up the local Mexican population for their darker skin? :rolleyes:
Laws like that make me want to bring my pup to the local legislature there and let her leave a steaming dook pile on the lawn.
Land sharks, get rid of 'em.
To clarify, the roundup is stupid, but i'm all for phasing out the breed.
The only thing my Husky has maimed is pow. And lots of it.
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Originally Posted by flykdog
That's pretty weak Kev, Pit's have no genetic predisposition for aggression, it's something that humans imprint them with through abuse.
I say we phase out the humans and leave the Pit's alone.
Weak or not, i've seen it, pits and rots just seem to be unpredictably agressive at wierd times. Yeah, labs can be agressive if you provoke them, but i've had a friends rot attack me for no reason. I believe it is genetic.
How bout some actual scientific data??
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Pitties and Rotties top the list for fatalities, sorry to say.
One "bite" is one thing, and any dog might do that, but to kill a human (usu. child) is a different type of aggression.
Sadly, they could not adjust this data for the popularity of each breed, so other breeds might be more aggressive, but not as common.
And just to clarify, my friends dog was never abused, as a puppy it was the coolest dog, then it was like somebody flipped the switch.
I'm with FLY on this one. We have had SO many bad incidents around here with pit bulls it is just unbelievable.
Not to starrt a war, but think about who is breeding these dogs and who is buying them. I've had Chows attack me as well as Germans, but I refuse to believe it is anything other than a dog acting out of fear. Most people have no idea what it takes to really own a dog. Dogs are naturally pack animals that need to be put in their place in the pecking order socially. A dog might seem to be sweet, but most American pets are allowed to assume the Alpha role. this is no big deal in some breeds, annoying in others and deadly in the case of large powerful breeds such as Ptis and Rott's. This is a social issue, not a genetic issue. Owners that allow a large breed to assume the alpha role, and all dogs will do so if not otherwise trained, are creating timebombs waiting to go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTV
Heil! Heil!Quote:
Originally Posted by flykdog
Good point. I'd also like to know what the percentages for each breed are for dog attacks that do not result in fatalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
An excerpt from Coreshot's link:
I do believe that to a large part training is a factor in these #'s, but there's a reason these dogs are undergoing this training as well. You don't see Poodles on this list for a reason (Genetic pre-disposition towards aggression and violence.)Quote:
...Breeds of dogs involved in human dog bite-related fatalities between 1979 and 1998...
Pit bull-type 118
Rottweiler 67
German Shepherd Dog 41
Husky-type (includes at least 2 Siberian) 21
Malamute 16
Wolf-dog hybrid 15
Mixed-breed (NOS) 47
Chow Chow 21
Doberman 13
Saint Bernard 8
Great Dane 13
Labrador Retriever 8
Akita 4
The odd thing about all this is that the American Staffordshire Terrier (A Pit Bull type) used to be ranked as the #1 family dog by the AKC until relatively recently. Remember 'Petey' from "Lil' Rascals?"
Finally, some common sense.
My belief that pitties are chosen & trained to fight is because their jaws & necks are significantly stronger than say, an Alsatian's.
You don't see poodles on this list because who would train a poodle to fight? That would be like training my gradma to fight. Pits and rotts are trained to fight due to their inherent strength and size/build, not a Genetic pre-disposition towards aggression and violence. Terriers(the small yippy kind) are just as aggressive but once again who would ever put a tiny terrier against a pit. Even the nicest pit would sit on the little terrier. My family has and/or still owns upwards of 10 American Staffardshire and Pit Bull mixes over the years. Not one problem even with 5 kids and countless friends hanging all over them.
This policy makes me sick!
Dogs are like there owners, just like kids are like there parents.
You're a loser, your dog or kid is likely to be a loser too.
My friend has three Pits that she takes to dog shows. They are all very sweet and friendly, like she is.
Give me advance warning as they irradicate and commit genocide down that list, I want to make sure Fritz is safe. ;)
Strong jaws and necks are not a "genetic predisposition to violence".
Hmmmm.......:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird
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Well he is just plain loony and probably wasn't loved by his mommy.
They are dangerous, there really is no arguing that. Once they snap there is no controlling them. BB guns and shotguns are both dangerous. One can kill you, one can put out an eye at the worst.
They did this same thing in Germany years ago(dog roundup).They killed every Pit, Am Staff, Mastiff,Rotty, and Bull Terrier they could get their hands on. They are called undesireable breeds, and they are not allowed in the country. Fuckin Nazi bullshit. So sad that Denver thinks this is a good idea.
I have done a lot of research on dogs in the past. The Pit Bull is descended from an ancient breed of fighting dog called the Molossers. Many dogs are on this list:MolosserWorld I don't think you will see all of those dogs on a most wanted list. Pit Bulls are popular dogs, so are Rottys. They are both very difficult to keep and handle.
I feel sorry for these owners and their dogs, but there is something that can be done. Breeders need to be responsible. People need to stop buying dogs they can't handle.
The racial aspect is BS. More minorities own these dogs, cause it is an image thing. Sorry folks, that is the truth. Go to a dog shelter some day and look at the dog breeds there. Minorities treat these animals like accessories that can be tossed out. That fact alone is affecting the breed adversely. Fucking sad.
One other thing that really bugs me. How do they know it is a Pit? My dog gets mistaken for a Pit all the time. He is a f'in 22 lb Boston Terrier. He is the exact polar opposite of a Pit.But, people are still scared of him.
Am Staffs have that classic Pit look, cause they have been interbred with them so many times. There is no way for them to tell the Pits from some of the other breeds.
I think this is all media bullshit hype. I know, it is always the media's fault. Well, it is. They report on every fuckin bite from a Pit or Rotty, or (insert scary looking dog). They never mention the little ankle biting Bichon or Poodle that tears into some neighborhood kid on their bike. Course, a Poodle usually won't rip a kids throat out. Slight technicality.
I blame the media for one reason, and one reason alone. Spuds McKenzie.
That is it. The stupid Bud dog is guilty for all of this. Spuds is a Bull Terrier. Part of the Molosser breed. America loved Spuds. They think those dogs are gentle, loving, shit, it's Spuds- he likes beer.
That dog will rip you apart. Bull Terriers are notorious for turning on their owners. They are a handful to own. They were bred to bite and not let go. So, that is why I blame Spuds McKenzie for all that is wrong with the media.
I am done. I feel sorry for those folks. Somebody came to get my dog, they would have to worry about more than a dog bite. :FIREdevil
So lets ban all guns and crazy people too. Crazy kids and elderly can be spared because they only cause bruieses. Crazy adults on the other hand should be exterminated all together. ONce they snap there is no controlling them.
And what are they? They would be the dogs that are trained to be aggressive or have shitty owners. I have no problem getting rid of both the aggressive dogs and even the owners for that matter, but simply removing and exterminating the entire breed way outta hand.
As said earlier if they came knockon on my door it would be a cold day in hell when they would be leaving with my American Staff.
For every news article you can find about a bad dog, I'll find 5 rotweilers or pits that are awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTV
I understand being strong, their attacks will wreak more havoc than a weaker dog's. But that's no reason to ban them.
Also, Dave, I bet there are plenty of shotguns in downtown Denver.
Denver can no longer have its pretty gun laws cause the state took away its law toyz. This is the result, they gotta oppress somebody.
BTW- the denver metro area has had a number of dogs killing people in the last couple of years which is largely responsible for driving this.
Did I favor a ban? I think it is clear, however, that something must be done(and it was here after way too many incidents). If it was your precious child maimed or killed, you might agree more readily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jayfrizzo
There are a bunch of gnarly dogs on my block. 2 rottweilers that look like they'd tear somebody apart (I've seen them out of their fence once and I calmly walked inside the house and didn't go back out). However, the worst and scariest dog on our block is a husky type. That thing is pure evil. I was raised with American Eskimo dogs as a kid so I'm typically a fan of husky type dogs. One day while I was painting my garage the evil husky was out. I was crouched down low painting a base board (made me look small) and that thing ran up on me at full speed. I jumped to my feet and when I did the dog stopped moving forward (about 5 feet away) but that thing was jumping side to side barking like crazy. I've never seen a living thing so angry at me before in my entire life. Luckily a metal fence post was leaning against the garage. I grabbed it and started taking swings and shouting at the dog. The lady who owns the dog down the alley came out. I told her I was about to kill her dog if she didn't come get it. The dog would not back down. The lady didn't understand english, but she decided she needed to take her groceries up first rather than come get the dog. After enough screaming and swinging the dog moved down the alley to bark at another dog. Once things seemed calm I went back to painting again. The fucker came back once I was crouched down again. I grabbed the pole and went nuts. He scared off easier that time. If it were a little kid in the alley that day I'm afraid this story would be pretty horrific. Some dogs just don't belong in the city and without question the owners are largely at fault.
exactly. guns don't kill people, people kill people. dogs are what the owner trains them to be. Dave likes to use google to prove his point with sensationalist articles and data. try using some common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jayfrizzo
Man, you shoulda killed that dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by meatdrink9
I love dogs, but that aint no dog.
That's a frickin wild animal.
I hope you dont feel too guilty when it kills/mauls someone in your neighborhood.
You never said anything either way. So are you for or against the ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTV
Yeah, something should be done: It should be handled on a case-by-case basis. The owners should go to jail, like the Marjorie Knoller case.
Nice job playing the precious child card. Agree with what? Again, you never said anything. But I don't think I'd be for getting rid of the whole breed, if that's what you meant. I sure as shit wouldn't use them as a tool and ruin their memory and cheapen their life that way.
That is a bad comparison. Guns do not all of a sudden turn on you and kill you. Dogs no matter how well they are treated and raised can and do turn on people. People need to realize this. I do believe that some dogs are more prone to attack than others. Core Shot's link shows this. What the link doesn't show is if percentage wise there are dog breeds that have a higher potential to attack and kill than pit bulls and rottweilers, which is one reason I am against this "round-up".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebird
killing a pissed off 80 pound dog without a firearm is extremely difficult. Any attempt likely would've resutled in J coming out the loser and any attempt to settle the dispute with a firearm would've resulted in him going to the brig for discharging a firearm in the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
when the woman was killed not too long ago here by the pitty the husband shot the dogs several times with his 12ga (from a fair distance) using just 7.5s and only succeeded in driving off but not killing outright both dogs (IIRC)
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Originally Posted by lemon boy
Good points.
Maybe some poisoned meat thrown into its yard would be better?
Agreed, bad comparison. I would disagree that "no matter how they are raised" dogs will/can turn on you. A lot of people might think they raised a dog the right way but raising a poodle is a whole lot different than raising a pit/rottie/sheperd. Potential owners need to realize this and make sure they are ready for the commitment and responsibility needed to raise this type of dog. I think the best study would be what percentage of dog attacks were from dogs with bad/inadequate owners and training. my guess would be very close to 100%.
Rounding up specific breeds is pointless because the people who want big aggressive dogs will move on to something else. If they can't have a pit bull then it's a rottweiler. Or a husky, or a sheppard, or a wolf cross, or a war dog of some type. Maybe they should round up the owners instead. Maybe you should carry a sidearm when painting the garage.
In Canada, if your dog kills someone you have no responsibility, None, ziltch, zero. It's not a crime at all.
Me winning that fight was definitely not a "sure thing". I was doing what I could to avoid being attacked. One time I was coming home in my truck and that dog was in the alley. I headed right for it, but it ran. I would've run it over if I could've without hitting the neighbor's garage.
the entrance to the Denver pound
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I think it is pathetic and wrong to equate this with genocide. Killing people is not equal to killing dogs.
I wonder if some of you have even heard of selective breading. The pit was bread for protection, so when they selected breading stock, wouldnt it make sence to pick the biggest most agressive dogs? Im sorry people, there is no question that the agression is bread into these dogs.
Pure, pure evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Warmwater
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Dave's a reporter, don't expect him to present concise arguments.
Main Entry: geno·cideQuote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
Pronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId
Function: noun
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
- geno·cid·al /"je-n&-'sI-d&l/ adjective
IMO, that's getting into semantics.
Deliberate & systematic? Check.
Racial group? Breeds can easily be compared to racial groups, therefore, in my mind ... Check!
It's the closest word I could find to compare -- if you can find a better word, I'd be willing to change the title.