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Interesting discussion of actual jay peak snowfall numbers compared to what the resort is claiming.
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http://ecsnow.ucoz.com/index/0-2
Interesting discussion of actual jay peak snowfall numbers compared to what the resort is claiming.
Very interesting. I'll assume this being your first post and all that this is your blog?
Yes and more updates to come on my site.
so you are plugging your blog???
GTFO or naked pictures of girlfriend/wife/sister!
Sweet blog dude. Are you the gaper from CT that started a bullshit thread on Jay's FB page, bitching about their snowfall totals? At least learn how to spell, ferchristsakes.
O.K -- spamapotomus -- I'll play:
I am not saying that Jay does not overstate their totals, but you overstate your case:
Mansfield at 4,000 feet gets more snow than Jay at base (usually), but if Jay gets significantly more snowfall midmountain and higher (as every place I've ever been does),
then the Mansfield to Jay comparison is apples to oranges. And yes, Wolf Creek still gets more than Jay if WC's base readings are higher than Jay's claims for mid-mountain.
Hey I know I'm going to get hate from all the jay loving trolls. I don't care. It's for the general public so they can make a fair decision on an average day about going to southern vermont or even killington or if it's worth it to go to jay. They can see official climate data and go to the governments site.Quote:
Originally Posted by robgoose
This was BASE snowfall....if you believe for a second that snowfall increase 200 inches on AVERAGE year when you up a 1000 feet to around mid elevation(a proper place for snowfall measurement) than you have no clue what you're talking about. You ski the place....do you notice double the snowfall halfway up and then it drops in half at the base? Certain storms are elevation dependent and can be raining at base, snowing halfway up, but that's not average
Yeah ok....
2011 188 inches
2012 149 inches
As far as gaper from ct? I'm not sure what that is referencing.
All the best
All I did was alert people to the climate stations. I didn't make up the data. So don't hate on me because your beloved mountains in northern vt might be fibbing their numbers.
Saw you on the Jay fb page today too...
I've never quoted numbers or claimed records. I've also never spammed a shitty site across the interwebs.
Fuck off troll
IS the NWS a troll? Did you email the federal government to tell them their trolls? Because I'm just repeating the data. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JayPowHound
Ok, no more reason to be baited on here. Just going to keep posting my website out there so everyone is made aware of the data and how the east really can't hold a candle to the west when it comes to snow.(which is why some people are getting upset)
I don't have a fb account.
You are repeating and INTERPRETING data -- and I said you OVERSTATE your case and that you need more DATA to make a convincing one.
serves me right for responding at all.
More data LOL....Of course I'm interpreting it. 2+2 =4Quote:
Originally Posted by robgoose
You guys remind me of when people used to argue about cigarette smoke causing cancer and said they needed more "data/evidence".
2011 188 inches
2012 149 inches
Then look at mansfield numbers. It's kind of an obvious conclusion. Even without that jay peak climate data, I know enough about orographic lift and have mansfield numbers to know that jay's numbers are likely inflated.
Oh and I find the language of "jaypowhound" to be disgusting.
Honestly, I wasn't looking to get into debate on here. Just wanted to advertise my site. Gotten a ton of hits so far. Thanks to those who visited who are not complete A-HOLES and can't handle facts.As far as overstating my case, you admitted jay peaks likely pumps up their numbers so that's kind of the whole point of me listing that independent data and creating the website!(I never claimed to know EXACTLY what jay peak averages at mid elevation to the inch, just that it appears to be grossly exageratted as backed up data and basic knowledge of climatology in the area)
i'm not a jay skier so i couldn't care less if your article is right or wrong. I do think its pretty weak that you sign up for the forum and then pretend you are referring an interesting story you found when it is actually your own blog. that is trolling in my book. prolly should get lost
1. So you are just spamming
2. You've proved nothing
3. Allow me to reiterate the sentiments which you found offensive and suggest that you go spam somewhere else. Oh and btw, you can't hold a candle to jaypowhound. My advice: if you want to start a blog, perhaps begin with some stoke instead of a rehashing a weak argument about whether and to what extent eastern areas may or may not overstate their snow totals.
I never said it wasn't mine....it obviously mine. Duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by kokomas
Umm....yeah I don't really care what a few of you losers think.
I will get lost. Got my site out. That's what matters and my site has no commercial value so the idea of spamming is absurd.
Yeah but I got you upset....so why let the troll win? Right? I guess I won then LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by robgoose
jAYPOWDERHOUND sounds like such a serious guy...wow...can't hold a candle...LOL
Common tactic is too call someone a troll when you lose logical argument and can't present any concrete data proving the other person wrong. DEFLECTION
Goodbye.
well that is one link i'm glad i didn't click
You're doing the Lord's work. Thanks for this snowmaggedon! I'm not sure how I would sleep tonight without your solid reporting and well documented data.
Naw, just kidding... Go felch your brother.
Bullshit. You even deleted the thread you started on Jay's page after the locals called you out. Who the fuck cares if the west gets more snow? Go back to skiing Vail, fucktard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowmaggedon
Today I learned:
1) ski resorts inflate their snow totals
2) there is more snow out west
3) snowmageddon needs a giant dildo in his trolling/spamming ass
Just kidding, I already knew two of those things.
Snowmadisgettin awfully butthurt
beat. it. jong.
or produce a naked picture of your girlfriend
Lolz at all the east coast skiers getting butthurt.
I posted your site on newschoolers because the majority of those kids are east coasters. They were just as butthurt as the old fucks in this thread.
One post did trip my trigger though, so take this for whatever it's worth.
"Im not here to argue with anyone,
But I checked out that data and whats its lacking is the information regarding wind patterns...
It is also ONCE A MONTH data statin that you posted, that means they take temp and snow depth every 30 days, Which would have a huge effect on snowfall numbers, what with new englands insane abilty to thaw in January....
Not only is the NOAA data station on the west side of the mountain(least amount of snow any mountain gets) . So that would lead to a varied data from the mountain.
It also gets HEAVY lake effect storms due to the wind patterns in the region, all the storms that roll off the great lakes funnel into a wind tunnel that takes them right to jays doorstep, but not before gaining strength over lake champlain!!!!!! (JAY CLOUD'S.......)
Also if you look at Jay geographically it has a longe east to west spine that leads into a east facing bowl, causing the snow to drift and blow into/on the resort. Again causing noaa to get different information.
That all being said I do believe JAY also takes measurements at the summit and calls that good.....
Because last year I lived in between jay and sugarloaf and they got almost the same snowfall and jay reported like 100" over sugarloaf by the end of the season....
On a random note I worked at sugarloaf last year and they reported like 178" at the base lodge, I lived 200' below the base lodge and 15 min away and I got 220" in my front yard. Possible I measured wrong by by 40"..... i doubt it"
Also, for all the jay die hards, he's not trolling, simply informing and making normal assumptions. I would want to know this if I was an east coast skier.
I salute you sir; you found a way to triple the intensity of such a fine word.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd
spellins overatedQuote:
Originally Posted by vt_ski
go skiing you #er crunchin blog spewer
Uh, wut?Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Called me out on what? Just hurling insults and smart ass remarks. Kind of expected. Watch the video of snowboarders going to alta. That's basically the type of people like you that act the way you do.(the crazy skier's at alta) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwWDMAEYe5c Just mean nasty people. Elitist that hurls insults at people from lift chair and tend to be in a lot of these ski forumts. I don't like these people. Of course everyone who goes to alta is not like that. They cherry picked the wacko's. There's one valid reason for banning snowboarders at alta. They destroy powder more than ski's with their big boards. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_ski
A lot of the "locals" in vt have a "ego" about how much snow their "home turf" gets. It's like saying the ec gets less snow than west. Obviously True, but they you'll have the "core" people coming out trying to say how the east is more technical and all kinds of other b.s. I've even heard people arguing how the pocono's require you to do be a better skier than VT. Lots of people don't care about technical and just want to have fun in the powder. Sort of like how every mother thinks her child is good looking. I'm just giving an honest evaluation of a ski area's snow totals. There's a reason vermont is known for ice and alta for powder. This is just common sense. You can have a powder day in poconos'. It's all about averages. Of course vt gets powder, but not nearly as much as out west.
You have the maturity level of a 12 year old. Keep getting all worked up. I'm perfectly calm. It's honestly such a silly thing to get so upset about. You'd think I were talking religion or 9/11. Talking about snowfall averages....LOL
I'm calling out jay peak on snowfall numbers. I don't see the relevance of where I'm from, if I ski or snowboard, how good I am or any other such nonsense. You can have a great time skiing jay peak or quite frankly mount snow on a powder day :) Hell like I said the pocono's have powder days once in a while. I'm simply giving data that goes against what jay peak claims. Of course ski area's never exaggerate snowfall or conditions.....sure. Anyway this is my last post to you since I don't feel like arguing.
Everyone knows that resorts inflate numbers. Funny how some people take it apon themselves to "inform" others. Are you a meteorologist? Are you familiar with the topography in Vermont, and more specifically up at jay that leads to the higher amounts of snowfall that they do get (even if it might not be quite as high as they say). Just let people figure it out for themselves.
cool had ya at 12 to many alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowmaggedon
No that's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by coldtoes
Alta doesn't inflate their numbers. Wolf creek doesn't inflate. Mt baker doesn't inflate. Mount snow doesn't inflate. Snow ridge, ny doesn't inflate. There's plenty of areas that tell the truth. Of course some lie. In this day of internet age, resorts should be called out when they inflate grossly.
The jay cloud is a marketing term. " That was until Fall 2008, when the proverbial cat was let out of the bag. Jay Peak Resort unveiled a new pre-ski-season promotional video, and there, for all the world to see, was the claim: the Jay Cloud.
The video quotes skier after skier, each seemingly kneeling at the altar of the Jay Cloud: The snow here at Jay rivals what you find at Utah, Lake Tahoe, other renowned places for powder… I’ve never had as deep a day… It’s the snow that brought us here, and the snow that keeps us here… Some say we owe it to luck, or fate, but we know it’s the mythical Jay Cloud… A lot of people talk about it, and it’s true… I’ve had so many good powder days here, it’s remarkable…"
You couldn't write better stuff than this. lol
Jay peak is a mega resort now. In it for the $$.
http://vtsports.com/the-jay-cloud-fact-or-fiction
Jay peak is farthest north mountain in vt so it can snow there while it rains farther south at mount snow/killington ect. It has a good orientation for upslope effect, but that is not unique to jay peak. All the mountains get upslope effect and certainly mansfield.
From nws:
“Jay Peak isn’t a singular entity—the same effect happens on other peaks. But that’s the magic of the mountains. They can pull out the little bit of moisture that’s left in the air and turn it into clouds and snow.” Just take a look at the NWS’s snow depth observation stations at Jay and Smugglers’ Notch for the proof. On any given day, Mount Mansfield might edge out Jay Peak… or not.
So we have a reading of 225 average at around 4000 feet at mansfield. Mansfield is NOT southern vt. It also has really good orienation.
Snowfall drops as you go down. Proper ski area measurement is mid elevation. Where does 375 come from? A little better orientation? Give me a break. It's absurd and I'll call them out for it. NWS wouldn't touch that claim with a 10 foot pole. Notice he never confirms it. Just say good orientation. lol We are not talking a little difference here. This is enormous difference between nws stations and what resort claims. Hell stowe claims 330. Laughable.
It was a while ago. I forgot. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Who cares.. The deepest snow I've ever skied in the NE was at Jay and I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that. Fuck your blog..
And that proves what? That deepest snow you ever skied was at jay on the east coat? Jay with a true average snowfall of 210-250 inches is one of snowiest area's on ec so that's expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by iceclimberx15
Another scientifically intelligent reply. You really got me...."fuck my blog".
LOL
Oye Vey! Is this dumb-ass conversation still going on?
Not speaking for me personally, but you should realize that no one here cares. They just think you're a douche.
I'll feed it.
I've never skied Jay, so can't comment on that front. But having skied Stowe and Smuggs the difference in snow fall amounts between high and low elevations is pretty significant.
Last weekend at Smuggs there were bare spots in the woods around the base. At the top by Sterling pond there was an area with about 8" of fresh snow on top of a glacial layer of at least 6" (I dug into it that far and said fuck it, so I never did get to the ground).
That same scenario also applies to Mansfield and I don't see why Jay would be any different. I can't tell you why, but it just works out that way.
You forget to take your Ritalin today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowmaggedon
No, you're not. You are trolling the fb pages of Jay and stowe (for some odd reason) trying to drive people to your blog. "Ricardo Snowman", really? If you were really trying to be analytical about the snowfall amounts up here, you would have used more sources than just the NWS data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowmaggedon
"Elevation induced" doesn't stop once you get to 3000 feet.
At least he didn't call himself Carlos Danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_ski
QFT -- OP's whole argument rests on the Mansfield snow-stake vs. Jay's "inflated numbers." Had he done even a smidgen of honest research into the discrepancy he would have realized that his questions had already been answered: And yes, Jay picks the more favorable data, but that's not the whole story: From http://bestsnow.net/ (follow the link for their table):Quote:
Originally Posted by vt_ski
Snow reporting is not an exact science. The Mansfield Stake measurements in this table (**) are taken from the WCAX-TV transmitter on Mt. Mansfield. They are comprehensive and independent, and the WCAX daily records since 1982 allow me greater understanding of eastern weather as I do not ski there very often. However, WCAX takes daily measurements at 4PM vs. the general weather station practice of measuring around 6AM and also measures new snow in a container vs. on a snow board. These factors explain the lower snowfall measurements vs. the Stowe and Smuggler's Notch ski areas. Jay since 2000 measures 2 locations and only quotes the higher during ski season. The average of higher and lower figures (still highest in the East) is more consistent with Jay's historical data and is used here for recent seasons in computing long-term stats. I make a similar adjustment to Kirkwood's data in California.