http://unofficialnetworks.com/skiers...lanche-126681/ :( vibes
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vibes is right. quite the terrain trap:eek:
couldn't quite make out the report due to it not being in merican words, but i'd love a translated copy.
rog
^^^As would I. That is quite a crown for this early in the season.
Here's a firsthand account.
http://www.modestbike.com/dlp/index....tateyamanov23/
Wow that is some heavy stuff.
wow - that is pretty sad. What is up with that hudge tent city at the base of that mtn in that guys pics?
Thanks for the link hop. Quite the sobering read. I will try and get some good from it, maybe some more search and rescue practice.
thanx hop.
"But what I do want to say is that when you wear a beacon on your chest its not there to save you- its there for you to save some one else. With out being too over dramatic- you need to treat the beacon like a badge a fireman wears and understand that when the alarm goes you better be ready to run in to the fire."
yup.
rog
I was looking for more info on this avalanche so thanks for the link.
Holy moly is all I can say
The whole issue with the stander-by's is insane
as far as the bystanders were concerned, i thought maybe when they first got there or were wherever they were when they saw a huge avalanche that the bodies were getting pummeled in the snow plus all the blast cloud. maybe they didn't know there was anybody there until the actual rescuers arrived. still doesn't excuse not helping dig but it's weird. maybe they were in shock.
Yea I gathered that they were in shock too and were essentially petrified
Can't blame people for that after seeing something so insane but it's still crazy that so many people were around and couldn't react.
the high res photo was crazy
Also random side note, but I'd never heard of this area. Seems like a cool place, aside from the tragedy that happened yesterday.
whew...Heavy. Thorough, engaging and horrifying write-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by hop
Vibes to those affected.
Seems like a lot of speculation from the report. Glad that guy did as much as he could.
a few possibilities . I am sure there are many more.
1. The people on the sidelines did not have beacons.
2. they were shellshocked and froze.
3. they were fucking idiots who left their beacons on while people were searching ( hence the guides showing up and yelling for everyone to switch from send to receive).
super sad, that range looked like the ultimate shitshow with hundreds of tracks.
if you look at this tent city, i gotta believe there were hundreds of people around there ill prepared for disaster
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I count almost 100 tents and it looks like that might only be half of them.
they really worked that left side of the mtn -
edit to add this pic of that area at night - looks like special place to hang in right conditions
http://www.modestbike.com/dlp/index....oing/tateyama/
That particular weekend is an annual event of sorts. It attracts a wide variety of people with a wide variety of skills and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
Two weeks earlier - not much/enough snow. One week later, mechanised access to that area shuts. That is why you get so many people in one place at one time on that one weekend, which often coincides with a public holiday.
for perspective, what is elevation gain from tents to summit ish?
Tents at 2300m. The highest ground in that photo is 2800m or so.
Shit hop... that is a heavy read.
Crazy crazy happenings. Thoughts out to the fam and friends and CMH skiing.
Very sad. And wow, that’s quite the early season crown line, and as Rog said, quite the terrain trap. Vibes and best wishes to all involved and their families.
situational awareness is not the strength of most humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
sad situation indeed.
b
tragedy brings that strength to the forefront for a short time till the dust settles. then it all comes round again..........slowly ramping up the phenomenon that is complacency.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowing alpy
rog
Seems like a fascinating place - if you look at one of the pics in this article, it looks like the bus terminal that I guess you can basically commute to by mass transit, pops right out the side of that mtn? And it seems like it has the summer tux kinda shitshow appeal since one video had about 80% of the people with skis racked and hoofing it up a low angle snowfield. Looks like nice place for summer hut trip. Makes sense what NB said, now that I read this - I guess there were so many peeps camped b/c the way to get out there would be closing soon.
http://www.poachninja.com/wiki/tatey...ama-prefecture
In Tateyama, virtually no one boot packs their skis on their shoulder, if that is what you meant. Not important either way, just clarifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
Also, looking at it through avalanche eyes, there is actually very little worthwhile low angle terrain that is usable during elevated avalanche danger. A lot - but not all - of the worthwhile low angle has (multiple) steep start zones above and is exposed to overlapping runouts. What it does have in its favour is plenty of ridges and high-ground features allowing you to reduce exposure if you are willing to thread them all together.
None of this post is a commentary on the incident, just in general regarding the Tateyama area.
Note: I classify terrain as "low angle" and "steep" from an avalanche's perspective, not a freeride movie perspective.
I boot pack with skis on shoulder quite often:)
this line was close to 1500 vert. did it 5 times before lunch. shouldering my skis.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_n.../IMG_0568A.JPG
twas an early morning.
packs are heavy.
rog
Good For You Rog
Vibes to those who aren't as awesome as you.
butthurt much?^^^^^^^
rog
Sorry, I forgot every thread here is about you.
get over it, pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bendtheski
rog
What a fuking POS. A thread about 7 people dying and this narcissistic fuk post a pic of himself hiking with skis on shoulder. Way to go Cunted one, another thread cunted.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
icelantic has lost so many sales because of this POS.
The other ironic part, mentioned in that awesome thread "cold autumn day on the rockpile", is the statement that it was waist to chest deep snow that day. Good thing the guy that goes packless in a known slide path in those conditions is the guy dishing out the avy advice aplenty.Quote:
Originally Posted by rog'smom
Mebbe it was hour 73 and everything was g2g?
I said id never post in another thread where people died out of respect and because I am not a professional. So first of all. +VIBES+
But this is sorta important. On my ast2 one of the other students asked the guide what the deepest skier triggered slab(/crownline) he'd personally seen was. Awesome question and the answer has influenced a lot of my decision making. If I recall correctly the guide said 80-100 cm for skiiers/boarders and 150 cm for sledders, certainly not 2 metres though, and no way in hell I'm gonna worry about instabilities that are 4 metres down...
Its such a freak occurrence its like getting struck by lightning. I come from the Canadian Rockies though, where snow storms pack significantly less punch, in general, than they do in Japan. But Im under the impression that this is insane even for Japan.
oh you don't like that pic, ma?Quote:
Originally Posted by rog'smom
how bout this one. boot'n the shit outta the Wasatch. skis on shoulder. the way real men do it.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...kier/BOOTN.jpg
skinners are for the lazy and those that like to take the long way around.
the rog
80/100cm is a good lesson. We might consider the initial measurement to be surprisingly small, but it builds to carry even more energy. Like the recent Utah event, the armchair quarter backers were saying she should have be able to ski out of it, complacency can be dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by theshredder
Do you mean the 2-4 meter event is like a lightening strike?
Yes. As in you need to be extremely unlucky to hit a weak layer that far down if you're on skis. A student at ASARC was doing some work on mapping compression forces through the snowpack around skiers/boarders and it basically comfirmed the 80-100cm(/150cm) skier(/sledder) thing. (force drops off to like 0-5% of the skiers weight at around 100 cm, depending on the type of snowpack>) I'd dig it upl but I'm finished researching stuff for the time being...Quote:
Originally Posted by DasBlunt
I've seen firsthand a skier triggered 6 meter crown. It sucked. I've also seen an uncontrolled 6 meter crown slide which hit an area with regular sidecountry traffic (should have killed someone...) + 2 more 6 meter controlled crowns in the last 3 years. I'm assuming your statement about not worrying about stuff 4 meters down was sarcastic..... :wink: Even in maritime snowpacks, slides involving 1 storm cycle can easily step down to deep old instabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by theshredder
Haha I thought the same thing and then recalled that their longest ski for awhile was like a 165 so who would want them anyway. it's fitting that he brags all the time about lame pursuits. pretty sure they make longer ones now but also pretty sure Roj had that handle back when they were hobbit skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud
But the slides probably weren't triggered at 6 m.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Chocolate