Have a chance to ski any Rossi I want this season, so looking for input:
Me - 5'11", 190lbs, skiing for 44 years (shit!), Colorado native, currently live in Snowmass.
I've been on a 185 Wailer 95 pure for the past 3 years and love 'em.
Thoughts?
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Have a chance to ski any Rossi I want this season, so looking for input:
Me - 5'11", 190lbs, skiing for 44 years (shit!), Colorado native, currently live in Snowmass.
I've been on a 185 Wailer 95 pure for the past 3 years and love 'em.
Thoughts?
Squad or Super for deep days, and ride the Wailers the rest of the time.
Sickle is under-rated, but might be a bit short for your size.
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As an everyday ski for Snowmass? That's a no-brainer; a 188cm Experience 98.
If you can get a second pair, pick up a Squad or Soul 7 for pow and you'll be all set.
Kinda diggin the Super for all around, but the Soul may be a better fit. Will either of these rail GS turns through thick and thin?
Couple other notes: I've never skied a rocker ski - I like power out of the tail in traditional camber skis, and have no problems with bigger skis in powder (remember I'm old and skied powder on Volkl Renntiger 207's).
Soul 7 hand flexed really stiff, but something tells me it's got that Rossi bounciness.
Some have said the Soul feels closest to a W99. So unclear why a better fit; seems fairly redundant. I'd say Super for soft days. In a 188, should handle Aspen areas nicely. The new ones apparently have less obtrusive rocker than last year's. OTOH, if you're looking for GS turns, then the E98 is your ticket. Given your list of choices, maybe you need to decide which counts more, float in soft or maching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverdown
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Originally Posted by Beyond
Pretty much my thoughts.
Soul is the hot new ski, but I don't see it doing anything much deferent than your Wailer.
This is exactly what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finstah
Makes a big difference if you are keeping the wailer or is the new ski going to be a one ski quiver?
The soul and the super are both really versatile. I'd say take yer pick depending on what most of your days look like. Both rail turns and perform well in deep snow.
I haven't skied the 2013/14 E88 or E98 but last years were comparatively heavy IMO....then again the whole line up was kinda heavy.
The squad probably isn't what you're looking for.
Never skied the DPS so I can't comment on a comparison...
Thanks for the input! You've all steered me towards the Super, with the Wailers as backup/hard/rock ski. Jesus, never thought I'd say that.
The Super 7 will have a lot more street cred in the lift line, and be a really fun and playful ski when there is new snow. But, unless you are really happy with your Wailers performance in hard snow and you plan to ski them more than your Rossignols, you're kinda blowing it.Quote:
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The right choice you have made.Quote:
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regct, just curious, have you spent much time skiing the Aspen areas?
I'm on board with this as well, especially considering you like power from the tail.Quote:
Originally Posted by skimaxpower
Yeah, but if you want ski like you're 20 years younger, get fatter boards with rocker. Instant young legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverdown
Not really. Stick to the NW mostly...WA, BC, ID, MT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finstah
Are you eluding to the firmness of an intercontinental snowpack at times?
Because I definitely believe the 98 would rip circles around any of the 7's on cold firm days. Not that the soul or the super wouldn't perform well in those conditions, just not as well as a GS'y type ski.
I'm just speaking to the versatility of the 7's.
Right on. I've got family there and get about 5-10 days there each winter. I spend way more time on my Mantras than I do my Katanas when I'm there. Usually my days there are planned well in advance so I'm not able to go at the drop of a hat when the weather is cycling.Quote:
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Have a great winter.
If the Sup7 works all round, then it will be the goto, and the wailers will go tele for uphill to keep my girlish figure in shape. That would be perfect, as I'd sell the Dukes from those. 3 year old Dukes, anyone (assuming this all works).
In that case Experience 98. Put the dukes on them and get a Dynafit boot/binding for the Wailers for your uphilling (or tele if you really must)Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverdown
I don't think the Super would be a good all around quiver of one for these parts.
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Originally Posted by dcpnz
But then he doesn't have an inbounds pow charger...
Considering what you guys are saying about the snowmass area, I think if I were the OP id put an alpine binding or his duke on the Soul...little less underfoot than the super, medium stiff, excels in variable conditions but especially in soft snow, realistically almost as well as the super.
Soul won't perform as well on straight up ice as the 98 but still gets it done admirably and when it dumps you'll be really thankful for its tip and tail.
Again, I haven't skied the brand new exp's but wouldn't dukes on an E98 be pretty heavy?
I'm kind of going through something similar so there is some thinking out loud happening here...
My daily driver is the Super, with alpine bindings. Considering the CAST system for side country pickings...but that's another thread.
I honestly love the ski in almost every condition, except really firm off trail chunder which sucks on just about everything. Firm groomers are fine.
^^^^^yeah ignore my earlier post, upon further reflection I'd probably pick the soul over the experience too if I had to pick one Rossi ski.
Still think the super is not nearly as versatile though
I live in basalt..Super is way too big for 75% of days in co..i would go soul, youll probably end up skiing that everyday. Wide is the new long for teh cool kids..
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Starting to look at the Soul 7 more closely. There are a lot of comparisons out there to the Wailer 112RP, which is the direction I was headed. Hmmmmmm.
River - I ski Snowmass/Ajax about as much as anywhere else, and want skis that compliment my Fury X-Wings (170 cm; 128-84-110). I'm looking for a soft ski with more floatation but really don't need a full-on powder ski and it sounds like the Soul 7 fits the bill very well. I'm 5' 10", 150 lbs and do a lot of tree and bump skiing so quickness is important. I'm over 50 and pretending I can still ski the steeps with style, but the only cliffs I'll be hucking are in my dreams. The 172 seems better for my weight, but the 180 has the obvious advantages of floatation and stability. I don't know if I'll be able to demo these - anyone have suggestions or advice??
Get the 180s. Rockered tip/tail skis ski short.
dude, get a Cham 107 and never look back, they have the tail you know and love
Maybe, but the thread title isn't Dynastar.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
Definitely don't go smaller than 180. 172 would be waayyyyy too small unless you are like 4 feet tall.
Really? I flexed it thought it was softish...maybe I was doing it wrong.... Especially thought that honey comb tip seemed potentially flimsy.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
The 172s will feel about the length of ski blades (snowlerblades in Teton Gnaralect, or perhaps "Big Foots" for OP). The 180s will at least feel as long as a junior slalom ski.
I'd go for the 180s with your stats. You can probably go longer, but don't go shorter.
Huh? I'll 2nd volklpowdermaniac - either the flex pattern of the pair you were fondling was off by a lot, or ... I can't think of anything to write after the word 'or'.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Also, the Soul 7 and the Experience 98 occupy way, way different ends of the spectrum. If you're serious about "railing GS turns through thick and thin," then the 188cm Experience 98 is very much the ticket, and the Soul will leave you very disappointed. Again, if you're serious about that, and if you're serious about getting "power out of the tail."
Also, having skied both the 188 Experience 98 and having just skied and reviewed the Soul 7, there is zero chance that someone who is 5'11", 190 lbs. and looking to charge, or who likes a ski with a powerful tail ought to be considering anything less than the 188 Soul. They weigh 2000 grams per ski and are dead easy.
Yeah and that being said, I don't understand why the squad 7 wouldn't be the perfect compliment to the wailer. You get the best combination of all the attributes of the other rossi skis being discussed, you get the playfulness of the other S 7's but with the lower profile rocker/camber combo, the more powerful tail, and the ability to rail through almost anything... That's the only thing you'd sacrifice against the experience 98,,the ability to really charge hard through heavier chunder. In pow day leftovers they are fine. If you can't deal with that, then super's or soul's are really gonna dissapoint you at your size...At least with the squads you get a fatter, chargier, but still relatively nimble and forgiving pow ski than the wailer and it sure aint gonna hold you back much maching on groomers or schralpin around on the chalk.
Squad is the only ski that will outshine your wailer, super and soul are just wailer clones with different widths. I had the same option this winter and didn't bother with any of them.
I'd love to here more from you on your experience with the Soul 7. After I flexed it and with the small sidecut, i felt like despite the new tail, while it's going to be a great ski, it might lack a little in the speed and crud busting department... NOT that it's designed to be, but there are skis I feel like that do playful and still have a touch of charge to them. I read the review on Blister but wanted more... I ended up going with a Blizzard ski, the peacemaker, which while lacking metal, I'm hoping has some of that Blizzard stability, and is still fun. Similar to a skinnier 13-14 gunsmoke (not 12-13)... in fact i'm shocked there isn't a thread on the Soul 7 to itself yetQuote:
Originally Posted by JFE24
I looked back at the original post, and I wasn't clear enough - the idea is to retire to Wailer for uphill use. Given that, I want a floatier but still carvable ski. Make sense?
"Playful charger" to me = 190 Bibby Pro. That's my reference ski. And while I don't expect the Peacemaker to offer as much as the Bibby on the "charger" side of things, I suspect (given what you're looking for) that it might be the better call than the Soul 7. (We'll get on the Peacemaker when the resorts open up.)
What gets me scratching my head is that, Rossi made a decision to "Go Light" on the whole Seven series line - including the now lighter Squad 7 - and people are still expecting these to rail through chop? The Soul 7 is super intuitive and quick and easy, and will be a good soft snow ski & a pretty good pow ski for only being 108 underfoot. "A touch of charge" ? Sure - especially the lighter you are.
Riverdown: check out my review on blister if you haven't already. The Soul 7 will carve groomers well, it's just not built to "rail" through variable snow, and shouldn't be expected to. I haven't skied a better 98mm underfoot ski on groomers than the 188cm Experience 98, but it won't float like the Soul 7. I think you'll have to decide where you're willing to compromise.
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Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
Not to dick this up with non-rossi stuff, but it was my understanding that Blizzard, on a whole, while different in each ski has a reputation for slightly more stability? Can't wait to see your thoughts on Peacemaker, and can't wait to get on it my self.Quote:
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Now back to rossi.
River, I'll agree with JFE on the size and temperament of the Soul 7 and Exp 98. I've got a lot of days on multiple pairs of Exp 98' daily driver. The 98 will rock everywhere, except deep and bumps. The Soul is going to be quicker and surfier and easier, don't be afraid to go long, the reduction of weight on the outboard end of the skis makes em quick..
Thread jack-
Planning on getting some Experience 98's for no snow days, patrolling and skiing groomers. They won't see that much soft snow so pow performance isn't much of a big deal.
I am pretty set on these or maybe Mantra's but I found a pair of new Ex 98's for $350...only problem is they are 180cm. I was thinking of getting the 188's.
I am 185lbs ish, skis at the moment are 190cm Lotus 120's (best ski ever) 188 Wailer 105's, 188 Prior Husume's. Previous skis 186 Praxis Freeride, 186 Movement Trust so all in the 186-190 range.
Am I getting hung up on 8cm? I probably won't even notice eh.....? Is it all in my head?
Sorry to Hijack but there is potentially some good info on the ex98's here.