Hoping for a good outcome and safety of rescuers...
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Why did you bother to start a thread with no information in it?
edit - not gonna make jokes in this thread.
Where was this slide exactly?
News say 5 burried up on loveland pass.
The information will come. Both summit and alpine SAR responded. Loveland pass is closed. Facebook and the news indicate 5 buried and there are survivors.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
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Fuck! Fucking retards. I truly do want to know if they were on marijuana. Honestly, it should/can be a part of a story. It does affect decision making.
Yes, I know it's too early to speculate, but the fact that FIVE are buried is shedding light on some things....
Facebook says sheep creekQuote:
Originally Posted by SheRa
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5 CONFIRMED DEAD
WTF???
http://kdvr.com/2013/04/20/5-confirm...loveland-pass/
damn, that is bad bad news. be careful out there.
Remember this one?:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...oveland-Valley
Related to this? http://snowboardmag.com/the-daily-sh...ks-off-tonight
No I forgot about that completely. Thanks for the link. I reread page one. Will read the rest too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Well I haven't been in the backcountry really this season. Having a ton of fun in bounds. Climbed up on the east wall to start trying to get some feel for what's out there. There's just been so much snow lately.
In any case, I consider sheep creek to be very tricky. Like idiots or kitchen wall, to be respected and not skied with a ton of new snow on it.
From 2005:
" Today Dale Atkins and I went an took a look at this avalanche in Sheep Creek on Loveland Pass. Here is what we found.
Someone (we at the CAIC would love to talk with them and will keep it private if they want) had a VERY close call on Sunday above the closed Loveland Valley ski area. A group of 4 backcountry skiers/riders triggered a medim-sized (class 2) hard/soft slab (sorry Mir, the debris where not hard as concrete), with a maximum fractureline depth of 135cm/53 inches (sorry Blurredelevens it wasn't close to 10 feet deep. Maybe it was the afternoon light..) and 200 feet wide on a North/Northeast aspect (Mir, what was the aspect you where on today at Loveland? ) above treeline.
It looks like one person was at least partly buried in the gully right at the very toe of the debris (can you say terrain trap? ). We found the burial hole. Someone was buried waist to chest deep.... We don't know the story behind this avalanche, but this is what we suspect from looking at the tracks. The person caught was the first person down and had traversed on a bench (old jeep trail). The person caught was awaiting his/her friends. We suspect that one of the the other three companions remotely triggered the avalanche as they skied to the east (skier's right). The person caught was waiting in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is a chance the avalanche was triggered from the bench, but so late in the season we're not sure, though we did get a small collapes/whumpf to the east of the debris. I have actually, triggered this slope once from below (compression failure). But, that was during early winter when you can do this a lot easier.
It is hard to say which layer sheared first in the snowpack (maybe the folks that triggered this avalanche can tell us). There are areas that show the avalanche "stepped down" first and then went into the deeper snowpack. Shovel shear tests, compression tests show all sort of weakness's within the snowpack, with quality 1 and 2 shears. The bedsurface was a one finger hard layer of depth hoar 23 cm above the ground and 1 cm thick. Below this one finger hard layer of depth hoar was glove/fist hard 4-6 mm size depth hoar and cupped crystal depth hoar crystals. There is also a very weak layer at 78-81 cm. This layer is a glove/fist plus hard layer of rounded poly-crystals. The layer above this is a 1 finger hard layer of (4cm thick) bonded poly-crystals, that have a fair amount of dirt/dust on them.
Sheep Creek on Loveland Pass is a notorious terrain trap area. But, it is so easy to access, so that's why so many folks have had incidents here. It really is an area to avoid.
PLEASE use caution and evaluate steep slopes and gullies carefully. It will take a little time for these winter-like slabs to consolidate. Think "WINTER" rather than "SPRING." There has been between 3-4 feet of new snow along the Divide in the last week. The calendar may say it's "spring," but reality is we're still in "winter." Steep, fresh wind-loaded gullies should probably be avoided until after several days of significant thaw. Then timing your descents to avoid wet slides during hot afternoons is VERY important.
Mir, if you had showed up you could have come along.
Cheers,
Halsted Morris
CAIC
Last edited by Hacksaw; 05-02-2005 at 06:59 PM. "
THIS! SAD. RIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud
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Yeah I climbed the East Wall last Saturday before the big snow came and with all the sugar down there and the old layer I can't understand how people think it is safe to head out after the huge snow.:confused:
Vibes to the dead, friends and family. Terrible.
Good fucking lord. Terrible news...but Jesus, people...
You know why.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
"Hey everyone! Listen to me! Me! Me! Me!
Me knows things, but me will enlighten you who are not me when me is ready!"
"Hey guys! Did you hear about me?"
Ok, that was about Porcupine, thanks from reminding me of that day. So many years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Glad the relevent part about sheep creek got pulled up into this thread.
I have been starting to itch for some climbing. Been trying to consider about what aspect and elevation would be good to ski in the coming weeks. And I admit I was considering north, but below treeline. Lots to think about. All this new snow, it's definitely not corn time.
Hahaa, yeah, that Summit!Quote:
Originally Posted by telemike
fuck, that sucks.
++vibes++
Edit: I don't know much about Summit, or his supposed tendency to self-aggrandize, but who cares? he is incredibly knowledgable about a lot of different subjects....we can't all be poop throwing monkeys on here, someone has to bring the smahtz.
Exactly.
Where exactly is sheep creek?
T or F?
I'm pretty sure Summit works in a position of advanced knowledge... meaning he is directly involved in a lot of these situations (via remote operations).
I'm glad he posts up this stuff. Even though I think he is an asshole.
https://maps.google.com/maps/myplace...z=360&t=h&z=16Quote:
Originally Posted by skiracer88_00
Please respect the situation. We are still here.
I appreciate when someone fires up a thread as soon as there is an issue like this. Doubly so when it is someone with a clue like summit. Info can fill in - whether that be specific safety info, or info on folks in the community/folks close to the community.
Yes, there were self-absorbed uncaring assholes who posted early in the thread. Summit isn't isn't of them.
Vibes to all.
Very sad news indeed :(
I hope that in the Slide Zone, which tends to be the closest thing TGR has to a professional forum, we can stick to respectful discussion of the tragedy now and educational observations once we have the information required.
If someone would like to pursue a personal attacks, feel free to start a callout thread in the padded room.
CAIC pretty much hit the nail on the head this morning:
Quote:
Significant snowfall and strong southerly and northwesterly winds earlier this week overloaded very weak layers that formed near the bottom of the snowpack in November and December. These lurking deep instabilities have been intermittently sensitive to triggering all season long. They remain weakest and most problematic on north through northeast to east aspects near and above treeline where the snowpack is still cold and winter-like. It is easy to gain a false sense of confidence as many tracks are laid down on these deep persistent slabs without incident. Most of the recent slides were on north and northeast aspects near treeline, but large slides are possible wherever you find stiffer, wind-drifted snow over deeply buried weak layers. You are most likely to trigger them from areas of shallow snow along the margins of thicker hard slabs today.
Fresh wind slabs up to 3 feet thick are another problem on north through east to southeast aspects near and above treeline.
Sorry. I think professionalism and human decency requires waiting to post up a thread with.......
nothing
THIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by simple
Save the shit flinging.
One of my friends (who is also a maggot) was there and one of the first responders. Respectfully refrain from making assumptions about those involved.
Vibes for those close to the victims. Fuck, this sucks.
Vibes.....
fuck.
6 in a week, I'm getting sick to my stomach.
I hope we can learn from this.
Was on the pass today. Touring off the ridge toward the ironing board etc. Heard the slide (but didn't process it as such) then the sirens. Condolences to everyone involved.
However, as someone who works at Loveland and spends a LOT of time in the area I will question what they were doing in Sheep Creek? I'm sorry, but frankly given CAICs assessment of the current conditions that gully was not the place to be holding a backcountry gathering. I am more than willing to take the flames for this, but this tragedy could've been avoided easily...
I'm just so sad/frustrated that a bunch of people had to die for no real reason today...
Just talked to KansasBoarder: he and his P4P buddies are not involved.
Official information supposedly to be released presently...
at least you know your place flinging pooQuote:
Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat
Such a tragic accident