Anybody know the details?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/29...ana-1-injured/
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Anybody know the details?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/29...ana-1-injured/
http://www.mtavalanche.com/current
They said they'll be up there today getting more info.
All I know is that runout path looks rocky as fuck. not fun. ive learned (the hard way) the bridgers are a force to be reckoned with. if the snowpack doesnt want you there, you better stay home..
climb what you ski!;)
vibes
rog
They actually triggered the avalanche skinning up, not skiing down.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
that was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Mondbrot
rog
^they mention a lack of communication (amongst other things) supposedly led to the trigger. i know when i got broke off this past spring, the slide was certainly a byproduct of miscommunication and poor decision making by my group. avalanches can be avoided if you have an honest and cohesive group dynamic and you know where to go. but most importantly, where not to go. frazier scares the shit out of me..
avalanches can also be avoided with proper travel/route finding. skinning up an open 35/40 degree exposed bowl? could there been a less exposed way up? go up a safer route and have one of the party put in a ski cut and see how things feel/react.
frig the binding/avalung lesson. travel lessons beyond just spreading out should be considered here.
rog
^yup. i mean its all relative, but i dont feel much safer all strapped in with an avalung, airbag helmet and shit than i would just dropping in and nukin it- hoping for the best
nuking it? explain please.Quote:
Originally Posted by totaliboard
rog
what comes to mind is an image of travis rice or someone in a ski video just landing, popping off a slab and then riding out of it..
ah. there are many different ways to ski a slope depending on how "touchy" things appear to be. just dropping in and slaying a slope can be a recipe for disaster, unless yer carrying so much speed that you are lucky enough to out run a slide if one occurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by totaliboard
bridging layers are especially tricky and you definitely need to ski those lighter on yer feet depending on how thick and dense that bridging layer is. especially important to expose only one skier at a time to keep weight minimal. skiing slowly with a lower edge angle and lighter touch is very important.
here's an example of lighter touch skiing on an upside down 15 inch new snow where the top 8-10 inches was fairly stout wind compacted bridged buff. felt pretty good about the support, but definitely wasn't gonna dig too deep with the turns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaU6tEiQnuk
rob was actually filming from up and out of the gully feature on a bench below a lower angle area.
rog
So are you advocating skiing things 'lightly' that you wouldn't ski otherwise?
all i'm saying is, from my personal experience and opinion, is that there are MANY ways to approach and ski a slope depending on how things stack up. not so much a go or no go deal. more of a, ok this is what we're dealing with here, how do we turn this into an opportunity with the least amount of risk possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by natew08
tricky? very. rewarding? oh so very. opens up a lot of options on days where it'd be so easy to just stay under the covers. but then what would ya learn about the snow that day? absolutely nothing.
rog
I would contend you're putting just as much force if not more force into the snow pack if not more by the technique you show in the video. Slowing down and making a real speed checking style turn gives you more time to sink in the snowpack. If you're hauling ass and doing a 11s down the slope you're not sinking in deeply or spending much time on any one piece of slope. This is all academic because I've never heard / read / been taught anything like this so to even allude to the idea of skiing 'lightly' is foolish. You should either have confidence to ski the slope or confidence to move onto something safer.
i was very much "light footing" those turns and keep my edge angle fairly low so as to not punch in as deeply. kinda like how you'd ski breakable crust.
rog
rog, dropping the asinine advice since 2009.
'Just ski lightly bro'
*blows out air to save weight*
Can you jack asses shut the fuck up?
:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by concretejungle
rog
Ok I'll be more constructive.
What evidence do you have for 'skiing lightly' being a safe avalanche reduction technique.
the slope stayed intact. i guy making aggressive jump turns or edging in hard is gonna make more of an impact on a potentially dangerous slope than skiing it gently. not hard to understand. ever here of windshield wiper turns? very handy at times in different situations. sometimes you get partway down a slope and what you thought was solid and stable all of a did not feel as such. time to change technique to suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by natew08
anyone want some csa squash? mmmmm, tasty:)
rog
"Skiing lightly" is a term that is used, but not really for making awkward over-finished turns like in Rog's video. If I were to tell someone to ski lightly it would mean a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by natew08
1. That fat cornice entry sure looks like a nice drop, but don't hit and add extra stress to the slope. Don't even go near the thing.
2. Nice looking cliff mid-slope. Don't hit it for the same reason. No more stress than necessary. Smooth turns.
3. Don't fall on this slope please. Nothing fancy.
If I say that to someone, that's what I mean. If someone says that to me, same applies, but I also take that as a mindset to be extra careful/smooth/whatever you want to call it, and be suspicious of every miniature rollover, exposed trigger point, whatever. Really you should do that on every slope, but you know what i mean.
Not really an "avalanche-reduction" technique you would get taught in a course...The smallest things can make a slope slide or stay put. Couldn't HURT, right?
Early season skiing scares me more every year. Glad these guys are fine. Stay safe.
too each his/her own. over finished? not so. it's called speed control without pivot skidding slides. enjoyable slow speed skiing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
rog
Quote:
Originally Posted by natew08
That is pretty common sense. Bigger trigger = more stress on the snowpack. That's why patrollers throw bombs and not snow balls. Its also common sense that if you're basing a go/no-go descion on "skiing lightly" you probably don't have much common sense.
this^^^^^^^^my point better conveyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
rog
but if yer mid slope and the feel changes, yer not gonna change up yer pressure or technique?Quote:
Originally Posted by _Aaron_
oh, and that go based on "skiing lightly" is made with ones own level of comfort/confidence. all of us posting here are still here for a reason. a combination of good decision making and of course, luck.
rog
Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
Of course I am. I didn't say skiing lightly doesn't have a place (it does). I try and ski lightly all the time. That said I'm not going to drop in on something that I think will pop if I ski it hard and will stay put if I ski lightly. I know that I'm (or anybody?) not good enought to make that call with any sort of success.
You could stop and proceed to your nearest island of safety. Nobody says you have to link turns the entire way down if you all of a sudden see shooting cracks and whumpfing that you have to keep skiing.
I'm going to play devils advocate here.Quote:
Originally Posted by natew08
After you have reached your island of safety (provided there is one) then what?
yes, but you are successful until you are not. maybe my risk tolerance is higher and i most certainly have trusted MANY "bridged" slopes with light touch turns. slopes skied safely and without incident are success stories. till they are not. we learn to avoid the not in our own ways on a case by case basis. courses/reading only teach so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Aaron_
rog
dig in and wait about 72 hours ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by _Aaron_
rog
No offense to the OP. but the entire rest of this thread is worthy of the ignore function.
True. Reading and courses only teach so much but what is learned from then cannot be forgotten simply because someone has gained experience . I think you might want to revisit the books though. Specifically the sections on rational and irrational descision making processes and how they should both be used in backcountry travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
Eifher way your risk tolerance is way way higher than mine. To each his own.
the holy (old) man speaks. douchebag:)Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
rog
fify^^^^^^^. humans teaching humans, what a fucking merry go round/joke, LOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by _Aaron_
rog
You traverse out onto a safer slope or even consider climbing back out if your options are limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Aaron_
Hey, I posted the links and told rog to STFU but he can't help but cunt up an avalanche thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
hey fuck you, i just spent the evening cooking, cleaning, taking care of the animals, and making sure things are damn near perfect for when my better half comes home from a tough hospital shift!Quote:
Originally Posted by concretejungle
can't i play on here too?! multitasking. ahhhhh, tgrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!:D
shit she's home, gotta go bye!
rog