Have you guys received your orders as promised....Snorkledeep, did you order the Surreal or the Tabla Rasa?
Just curious.
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Have you guys received your orders as promised....Snorkledeep, did you order the Surreal or the Tabla Rasa?
Just curious.
3 pin told me he got a letter the other day saying they were behind schedule, talking about February, I believe.
:rolleyes: such is the plight of more than a few startups.........
Ouch......
Anyone's Tabla Rasa's turned up yet?
Anyone heard of last years DBs problems with holes and edges ripping off?
A guy from a place told that some spancered guy had theese problems last winter...
Theese skiis begin to be in a intresting pricerange here in the east, thanks to the strong euro.
I know one guy who ripped out his bindings from a pair of Tablas. Upon hearing how he had done the mounting it was pretty clear to me that DB were not really at fault (freehand drilling, no proper drill bit etc.). Of course there may have been one or two models torn apart but I haven't seen (or even heard of) any production skis with such problems. On the other hand I have seen Glisseurs skis take abuse WAY beyond what I would expect any ski to handle (except may an Igneous) as well as a few other skis in surprisinly good shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meathelmet
That said of course it wuld be possible to tear apart a pair of DB's if willing or unlucky enough, that would be posible with any ski (I've torn apart Iggies too). But I would definately count DB in with other few very strong skis I've seen like Igneous, M103s etc.
Wonder who that spancered dude was. To the best of my knowledge they don't really spancer anyone, even the people I know working with DB in various ways seem to pay for their skis. Unless you know the guy telling the story really well and whether or not he knows said "spancered" skier well too I wouldn't listen too hard. If he just saw someone with a pair of beat up Tabla's he could have been seeing one of the DB guys themselves with a proto or something that would not necessarily hold production quality.
no tablas yet.. been talking to db quite a bit and trying to keep the stoke up. however.. it is getting a bit frustrating. latest word is.. worst case feb, but maybe fairly soon.
dbskis spancer the toilet roll dispenser in the bar at La Grave.
Id bet my money that the dude that i talked too ment him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Telepath
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Was just curious, since i havent heard any stories of the durability of DB skis.
The price begins to be the same if you would buy a pair of im103, so...
AND the doorhinges of the front door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badroo
Been talking too and hearing the same thing. Was just wondering if they had started to trickle out as yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by snorkeldeep
Feel much the same way ... my main problem is that I will have to buy another pair of skis in the next two weeks if the Tabla's do not turn up. I have been psyched to get these skis for 4 months now :biggrin:
Have to feel bad for the DB guys as they have obviously got a whole bunch of orders through and now just need to fulfil them :frown:
I've been talking to Cyrille Boinay a bit, and according to him, there has been only one incident of breakeage on TR's (or was it DB's - can't remember). That incident was due to bad mounting - and I even think he got a new pair.
My feeling impression is that the DB's are very durable (except for last years topsheet, which has been changed anyway).
Anyone had any news?
Surreals are starting to arrive (not ship...ARRIVE!) in the hands of buyers....
When you guys receive your skis, please post reviews
I'm seriously considering gettting Surreals for next season and would love to get your thoughts
They used to. The DB sticker has been removed although the Marmot one has stayed. Politics... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bad_roo
Anyone getting TR's yet, or is it just the Surreals moving? I'm getting awfully impatient, especially after the last two weeks' snow.
Man, I hope nobody gives up on these guys....I saw Lawrence on them (TRs) at Alta and he had nothing but glowing reports even though they are longer than what he would normally ski(he got em used and grabbed em). I personally haven't ordered yet cause I'm blowing $ in other areas but I at least want to have the oportunity to order for next season. I feel a feather light yet stiff ski is very important to me. Hang in there...I'm counting on ya...and so are the DB boys. Don't give up....
I am trying to hang on :D
Ordered in the first week of September and about to leave for an 8 week ski odyssey. Main problem for me is that I don't have another pair of fat skis for the next few weeks in Japan.
I was planning on getting a 90-95mm stiff ski to complement the TRs when I got to Alta in late Feb when they would be on sale. If I have to get another pair now then I will be paying full price, shipping them to Australia and paying taxes and duty. $$$$$
Arggggg .......... it is so disappointing for everyone involved.
im dying to get my hands on my TRs.. had so many opportunities to be killing it on these this season and work is just getting busier. ugh.
Is it just a rumour that the Surreals are arriving? More importantly; the TR's, where are they?
Pretty sure a couple of the guys around here have got their Surreals. Still no sign on the Tablas as far as I know.
Hold on guys - they're on their way! Working hard on production and should soon be all sorted. Everyone is super-frustrated but hanging in there and just trying to get the boards out. Thanks for all your patience - it'll be worth the wait.
As for the tablas, some 25lbs 186's came through last week and should now be shipped. Hopefully a lot more to follow...
Maybe those "some" are mine...?!! Very excited now! Will we be informed by e-mail when they are on the way?
Not sure as to how it's going to work. We're replacing some of the early skis we sold last year that had the original topsheet issues - would expect those to be shipped first.
Will certainly be informed by email when the skis go out. Please don't get too excited though, as i said i've no idea of how many Tablas came in. You can rest assured however that everybody is working very hard to get back up to speed. It'll be worth the wait.
That is great news Mikey. Thanks for the update. The hardest thing about waiting has been not getting any news :D
No problem. Apologies on the news front. Will get onto the guys to get something out to you all in the near future. Everyones just working so hard that it's been a bit of an oversight.
Thanks for your patience though. If you've any further questions just drop me a mail at mike@dbskis.com and i'll try and get you a heads up. In Jackson at the moment though on my hols, so probably won't have an update for a 10 days or so.
Cheers,
Mikey
Tomorrow is the first day in february, so I thought an update would be in line. Mikey (or anyone else in the know) do you know what is going on?
My guess is that Goode won't produce skis for them without the cash upfront and since DB is a bare bones operation / start-up, they may be having trouble ponying up the cash to kick production into high gear and make it worthwhile for Goode, so they end up trickling them out
start-ups never admit what the real problems are to customers, they just string them along as far as possible until they can solve them
as always, new purchasers should post their reviews here for those of us who are lurking and don't want to go through hell for the skis
I was thinking of Surreals for next year but the new Volkl 2006 line-up and the potential quality issues for DB & risk of them going under is making the Volkl's look much better right now
Apologies guys but no new updates as i'm still away from home. I can assure you though that DB has no money issues and that we're all working as hard as possible to output the skis.
We've tried to be as open and honest as possible in our communication with customers and have at no point attempted to 'string anyone along'. For the record all of our customers can at any point receive a full refund if they don't want to wait for their skis.
It's well known that we have had problems with our production this year. Goode switched factory facility and then we've had issues finding the correct temperatures to bond the base material to the core on the TR and Surreal models. Given that durability/quality is our main priority, we're making sure that the skis we send out are perfect and in no way rushed through.
As soon as i've any news i'll post it here.
Thanks Mikey. Looking fwd
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Originally Posted by Mikey
not being able to properly bond base material to core is a major concern for long term durability and I don't know how DB can solve that problem and assure long term durability this season without testing and retesting and beating up the skis for several months before shipping them to customers
even if you had a perfect pair right now, you'd need to test the heck out of them to assure that the materials don't come undone with constant stress
skiers who buy DB's are taking them to extreme environments, not the local ski mountain, so bombproof durability has to be assured and new purchasers shouldn't be the guinea pigs for testing them
skiing in inherently dangerous and having just come off a scary binding pre-release a few weeks back, I can attest to how important equipment reliability is
make sure you guys at DB do the right thing by your customers because the word will spread fast, either good or bad
Yeah, but now I'm thinking , due to their light weight that 186cm is all right after all - when I'd originally been worried about their length, I'd been thinking along the lines of my old Head Monsters, which were great fun, but felt like bricks underfoot and felt like barges to turn unless I was going mach 5. The Tablas are so featherweight and quick (for such behemoths) that they respond on command, even for a flyweight like myself on tele-gear, regardless of the width/length.Quote:
Originally Posted by train07
This years new Tabla design seems like enough of an improvement on an already-great ski that I'm already thinking of getting another pair someday, though I'll prolly go for a pair of Surreals first, for touring versatility.
But first, I gotta come up with some more $$. :rolleyes:
And a friend here in SLC who ordered his db's last Oct got 'em early last week and is happily skiing on them. More are forthcoming, as Mike mentioned, as the bottleneck seems opened. From what I could gather from Cyrille, production problems had to do (in part) with Goode not being as used to the process of bonding the carbon/kevlar layers rather than the carbon-only design they use in their own skis. Plus, there's the move of the production facilities from MI (?) to UT.
I think it's pretty admirable that db made certain the skis were done right rather than done fast, and after seeing how even more conventionally manufactured skis like the BroModels required painstaking effort to get to market, I can definitely understand.
Tri...
Did you get to try all the DB's in Suisse??? Enquiring minds want to know your thoughts???
Have you posted a TR from your trip yet?
Your friend who has received his skis; was that the Surreal or Tabla Rasa? It did say here on this post that the Surreals have come far and were starting to ship and arrive. Also Mikey said that some of the Tablas have shipped, but indicated that that was for last years top-sheet warranty customers. I wonder if some "ordinary" Tabla customers have started to receive skis.
Also I guess if skis are produced and shipped, the bonding issue has been resolved. So it is all a question of letting the assembly line go at mach speed. Or?
I really really really want to receive my skis before my La Grave trip towards the end of this month...
Working on it, in my spare time, but have tons 'o work to catch up on.Quote:
Originally Posted by comish
They were the R's, which I think were not immune to the layup problems Goode encountered, but got figured out a bit earlier. I know for certain that the Surreals and the Tablas are in production with good results, and that the issues have been resolved - but I got a look at what was probably the first batch out when I was in Switzerland a coupla weeks ago. For "ordinary" TR customers, I imagine they can't be too far behind. Actually kinda curious about therir decision, because replacing skis with screwed up topsheets having precedence over this year's customers patiently waiting seems a bit wierd, since topsheets aside, last year's customers still have something to ski on. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by KANUTTEN
As for "mach speed" production, considering the length of time it takes to make each ski (as opposed to standard designs) it might not be tout de suite, but certainly ASAP. From what little I can gather, Cyrille and Roman seemed pretty comfortable about having many if not most of the orders fulfilled by the end of this month, but you might want to drop a line to one of them mentioning your semi-deadline.
La Grave needs a bit more snow if you don't want to destroy 'em first time out - I didn't bring my Tablas there 'cause I was too scared to hash 'em and think I made the right decision after hacking my Dyna Nobis's up - also see bad_roo's example with his m103s.
Thanks for info, Tri-Ungulate (did I get the name right now?)
any chance you'll have any of the stiffest tablas done in the next week?
Any chance of getting some news??
Going crazy... :nonono2:
I hope that no news isn't bad news.
If any of these skis start falling apart, db will have a hard time surviving.
If I were them, I would make sure that they ship solid product.