and i still don't understand what all you skiers are bitching about.
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and i still don't understand what all you skiers are bitching about.
Still better than bootpacking on a skin track. Vengeance on them motha fucka's.
^^^ skinning up a bootpack is the same thing as skinning up a booted up skin track. his point was that neither is that difficult to do and, hence, complaining about people booting up a skin track is dumb.
He's crazy, but I'm pretty sure that was his point.
Bootpacks should be well away from skin tracks so pole plants are not interrupted by huge holes.
Skinning over boot holes obviously is no big deal.
in the pow skinning up a bootpack can cover the boot steps making it hard to know where to step - but in the end it is all good - sooner or later we will all get there!
I fucking love your attitude dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Slaag Master
Cheers man!
Holy fucking reading comprehension fail on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by fluxrad
BecPostholes in a skintrack have never bothered me. What bugs me is when snowshoes wash out traverses.
I would ask how steep/ many kickturns there were. It can suck to try to skin up tight switchbacks or be on an edge when each turn is full of holes. If its flat or a ridge, I agree its not that bad.
If it's flat, then yeah it doesn't matter. I would figure people would complain more specifically about the 20-degree switchbacks filled with chunked up fluff. I've skinned up behind 3 snowshoers before and it felt like trying to climb a fucking sand dune.Quote:
Originally Posted by camlax
The worst thing is the hippies. All of the God damned stinking hippies.
i postholed through fresh powder yesterday. it was no big deal either. don't know why you snowboarders would posthole across a traverse or switchback when it's easier and quicker to go straight up the hill. and then there's a stairway in for everyone else. (and for the record, there are splitters bitching about postholers and skiers postholing on the track as well)
I once saw telemark boot prints in a skintrack while I was skinning on my splitboard. Blew my mind.
I'm a split boarder now,
I started out boot packing coz I didn't know shit.
I still don't know shit,
and now I bitch about everything and everone else.
Remember, I'm a better skier than you !!!
as long as you're not following tracks... i don't give a crap
Shadam and I set some fairly agressive skin tracks. When they get postholed, we get a lot of slipback and waste energy making steps to try and avoid such slipback.
We set a lot of skintracks and do so with rockered boards. Hence I get pissed off when a trail that I set is supposed to make my second lap easier, and it only ends up being almost as tough because of lazy postholers. The other option is to set a second skin track that hopefully won't get booted.
It's annoying but what're you gonna do? Same as asking people to spoon turns in the backcountry - you can ask but isn't being able to do whatever the F you want the whole point of the backcountry?
A better option would be to quit whining and go ski somewhere with less people around.
I'll piss in your ski track.
step just above postholed crap, refill with new sluff, repeat process to satisfy hole intensity.
It's always the same there are those who are in the light and those who are in the dark and those in the dark would rather remain in the dark than ever see the light no matter how dim their perceptions.
Thankyou for my next sigQuote:
Originally Posted by dfinn
slip back in steep terrain, and my quick-clips coming undone on my ascension skins are my two problems. ....+ it's just fucking obnoxious, learn some BC etiquette.
snow shoes are worse than boot packs because, as I think someone was trying to say above, they remove the support of the snow and therefore make it the same as trying to skin through springtime sugar.
but, I digress. yes, if its side country or off the pass, such is life.
Stop and take a dump in the booted skin track hole. Problem solved
yep. If you set a proper (steep) skin track and it gets post holed it sucks and you might as well break a new one. If the booters beat me to the skin track and boot pack an old skin track, I make a new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huckin eh?
I could give a crap about that. I don't want to be locked in to the same turns as the guy before me.Quote:
Originally Posted by turboLT
I think these booters are seriously just lurking in the shadows and watching over trailheads for the first sign of a skin track to boot up. !
I get the whole, "its everyones mountain" and "its all better than working anyway" attitudes but its annoying to know that their whole motive is that they are too lazy to go places by setting their own trail. Especially when they are a crew of 4 or 5 and can take turns spreading out the workload.
How many times have you gone to a trailhead with fresh snow and seen that the first and only people to make an ascent and set a trail are boot packers or snowshoers?.........I have yet to see that and I have toured over 400 days in the last 6 years. In the last 2 weeks, I have broken a lot of trail and rarely was I able to skin my trail a second time without postholes or shoe fuckholes.:cussing: And theres already an established, straight up boot pack in the same vicinity in some of these places, yet they still want to cunt up a fresh skin track.
On a related note--kicking steps on steep firm snow. If you're following kicked steps up and especially down, kick in (if going up) with heel above toe, or heel down aggressively--with heel lower than toe. The point is to keep the steps clean or make them better. What you don't want to do is turn the steps into downsloping messes that then turn to ice. If you didn't kick the original steps respect the person who did.
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Originally Posted by Huckin eh?
Calling others lazy when whining about a supposed easier second lap is a tad ironic, wouldnt you say?
With rockered fvcking skis no less.
Fuck you.
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Originally Posted by old goat
Don't forget the pigeon-toed mother fuckers! Also, if I set a perfectly good bootpack for my smaller stride, don't fuck it up because of your long ass chicken legs; step aside and start your own!
:smile:
Disclaimer: I only bootpack for quick access to goods at/from resorts when/where skinning isn't necessary. ;)
What concerns me about bootpackers in the skintrack, more than the inconvenience, is the accompanying lack of awareness.
If you are so inexperienced and ill-equipped that you don't know enough to stay out of the skintrack, what else do you not know about? Like avalanches and safe descent.
If you are aware and do it anyway you're just a dick, and in the backcountry that's no good either.
you people do realize that once you set a bootpack or skin track, it doesn't mean you own it. Yeah, pat on the back for the hard work, but someone coming up behind can pretty much do whatever they want. It is the backcountry after all, so if you don't like other people around, find somewhere more remote.
You do realize this thread is tongue-in-cheek right? I'm pretty sure we have covered this like 8 million times.Quote:
Originally Posted by powder11
Now, where were we....oh yeah, thread drifting....
Keep your toes straight you feet-dragging knuckleheads!
I like to lie in wait outta sight on the track then, at the top I quickly transition and snipe first turns from some poor fucker broke trail the whole way up.
And shittin' in teh post hole is funney especially if you knock a little snow over the poops to hide it.
The easier second lap is the REWARD for the effort of putting in the track in the first place (or should be !)Quote:
Originally Posted by powhore
Lazy is not setting out on the trails until someone has set one for you to destroy. Walking a skin track when a boot-pack is already set is extra weak.
So no, Fuck YOU!:fuckyou:
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Sounds like you're the lazy one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huckin eh?
Do you know how hard bootpacking is? You fvcking toolshed, do you?
That's what dogs are for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski to Be
Mine your skintrack. Problem solved.
just don't steal my fucking line!!!!