Utah is #7 after whoopin' CoState? :fuckyou:
WTF? I know I didn't give them much credit at the beginning of the season, but this is ridiculous, considering the numbers they've put up.
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Utah is #7 after whoopin' CoState? :fuckyou:
WTF? I know I didn't give them much credit at the beginning of the season, but this is ridiculous, considering the numbers they've put up.
look at the teams ahead of them ... they couldn't beat a single one
personally, as I stated a few weeks ago, I think they're over-rated as it is
time will tell ... will be nice to have alot of the Ute faithful shut up just like BYU was a couple of years ago
have you watched the Utes play?!? they are solid on both sides of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xover
lets see we walloped an A & M team that came a short hair from beating Oklahoma, we crushed a North Carolina team that beat Miami.
Cal & USC both looked horrible against sad PAC 10 teams.
If Wisconsin & Auburn win out they should be 1-2 cuz they play in REAL fukkin conferences unlike the Pathetic 10 or the big 2 little other 12.
& Xover how bout them Boilermakers, huh!>!>
Isn't that the point, though? To give them a chance to play the big boys and possibly knock them off in a huge game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xover
Utah is solid. I wish TV would give them more game time. I would love to see them in a BCS game at the end of the season. They would hang, whereas Boise St. couldn't.
I don't what to make of Choklahoma. They're the most talented team out there, but their play has been slipping of late. Turning into another Texas, perhaps?
So far, I've been unimpressed with Wisconsin.
SC's lack of depth and inexperience at WR has hurt all season. I was at the Oregon State game and it was frustrating to watch- at least it was when I could actually see something through the fog. Our wideouts appeared to be running good routs, but they're not physical and allowed themselves to get pushed around.
my prediction: Utah gets totally snubbed by the BCS and the big bowl games and then somehow gets upset playing Purdue which allows the BCS bullshit to continue for a few more years.
UTah deserves it's ranking. There isn't a team that has even challenged them this year. If Alex Smith would play the entire game, he would blow away the other Heisman Candidates stats. The problem is he only plays 3 quartes becasue the Utes have 40 point leads at halftime. They are a top 20 team in every statistical category. I think it is CBS sportsline that has a ranking based on the major statistical categories from offense, defense, and special teams and the Utes blow everyone else out of the water.
There are still some big games to be played, Texas-Texas A&M, Wisconsin-Michigan State, Auburn-Georgia (I think they still have to play each other). If thre are some upsets, the utes will slide into one ofthetop 6 spots. If the Utes win out, there in the Fiesta Bowl.
OSU and UO are far from sad. EDIT-we just seem to fuck up a LOT! Oregon State blew a win at LSU, and should have beat So. Cal. Oregon beat a strong 'Zona team and Clements had the most yards in the nation for a QB, and Whitehead was ranked 14th in the nation in rushing yards. If it was not for a droped pass on the 8 yardline on 4th and 10, oregon would have beat Cal and gone to the Rose Bowl had they won out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Utah dosent controll thier own destiny, if no one above them looses, Texas will jump them if they win out.
I hate to say it, but if Utah was in the PAC-10 or BIG-12 no way they would have the same record, they would be at the bottom. Its a lot different playing tough teams every week, and getting beat up every week, rather than a couple tough games a year and man-handling totally week teams the rest. High-school teams could compete with half of Utah's schedule.
I hope you get booted out of the BCS and get mached up aginst a "weak" PAC-10 team in a bowl, hopefully Oregon. Regardless, Utah will get thier asses handed to em in any bowl, BCS or non-BCS. Turn on ESPN any sports talk, thier ranking is a fluke, one of many loopholes in the BCS system.
Of course Utah has to win out to have any hope. Georgia and Auburn play this week. Georgia is at 8 in the BCS and Auburn is third. IF Georgia loses, they are a two loss team, and out of the running. If Auburn loses, they may not fall out of the top 6, but they might. TExas leapfrogged the utes this week, but need help in order to play in their conference championship (not likely that OU is going to lose two games)and also have a game left with A&M. There is just too much football to be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
Utah beat Arizone pretty easily this year. Meyer is 3-0 against the Pac 10 since he has been at Utah. Utah could compete with both Cal and USC (i know it was last year, but the UTes and Cal are pretty much the same teams as last year, and teh U beat Cal). Oregon State lost to Boise State, needed 4 second half turnovers to beat New Mexico, 3rd best team in MWC) The UTes could hang.
Exactly, Utah is over rated. There schedule does not consist good teams. They have struggled to beat some not very good teams. If they make a BCS game I would consider it a failure of the system. If someone in Utah really doesn't think this is true, why don't they join a real conference, and play some real teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
I WENT to that game and I have to say Utah was impressive. I don't typically follow the BCS rankings or most of the teams too closely, but know the systems pretty open to scrutiny and obviously it's all you hear out here, but it does sound like Utah is getting screwed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
OOoh LSU, they damn ner lost to Troy,, TROY!!Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
and a strong Zona team? you mean the 2-7 team we beat 23-6 right?. game was not even that close
seems the way we pounded teams from those conferences, we would be fine.Quote:
I hate to say it, but if Utah was in the PAC-10 or BIG-12 no way they would have the same record, they would be at the bottom.
Both those conferences are very top heavy as their record outside the conference shows.
a non BCS game would be another boring Utah blowoutQuote:
I hope you get booted out of the BCS and get mached up aginst a "weak" PAC-10 team in a bowl, hopefully Oregon. Regardless, Utah will get thier asses handed to em in any bowl, BCS or non-BCS. Turn on ESPN any sports talk, thier ranking is a fluke, one of many loopholes in the BCS system.
bring on whomever,
after watchin Utah control the line of scrimmage, and the game, whether on offense, defense or special teams, from start to finish in every game, no matter the opponent, and watching all of the top teams stumble a bit, I know we could hang with any of them, & beat most ( except Auburn, they may be the best team in the country hands down.)
I think you have been watchin too much PAC 10 football while stoned, the beasts dwell to the east of you, as your non conference record shows.
Exactly who did they struggle against? Their average margin of victory is close to 30 points. Their closest game was a 14 point win over Air Force, and Air Force scored with under two minutes left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skier10322
If it was Utah's choice to be in a bigger conference, they would be.
Exactly which team have they struggled to beat by an average of somthing like 20 points? Or by "struggle" do you mean the game wasn't over by the first quarter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skier10322
I'm not even a Ute apologist but find the argument they couldn't hang in the Big12/Pac10 absurd. There are only 4 decent teams in the Big 12 this year anyways. The Pac 10 is only marginally better.
Yea, good points.
Was that game in utah or 'zona?
It really comes down to on any given day any team can beat any team....
Im just pissed cause it has been a real hard year to watch Oregon football. I have never seen a team in any sport shoot themselves in the foot so many times through out the year...over and over. :nonono2:
Look what really matters here is that Notre Dame beat Tennesee this weekend. :biggrin:
and, yeah, Utah is overrated.
OSU was manhandled on Saturday night. They busted off maybe one long run, but averaged about a yard per carry otherwise. Anderson played well again despite taking a lot of hits. Dude's got balls, but we treated him like a bitch one more time (vide infra).Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
SC was sloppy on O and made a few uncharacteristic mistakes and that kept the score close. When we finally scored the go ahead TD early in the second half, I never doubted that we would win. OSU is a talented team, but they're not at the same level as SC. And SC isn't really that good this year. No team is.
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Next week will tell a lot. If they can get by Georgia, I'll have to agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Although Viva is right, there really isn't any great, dominant team this year. Oklahoma could be, but all of a sudden, their defense is giving up huge amounts of points.
You Utah bashers are like people who say there isn't any good skiing outside of Colorado.
They have struggled to beat some not very good teams.[/QUOTE]
Okay champ--I'm callin' you out. Give me one game this year where Utah has "struggled" to win. The only time I can recall them struggling at all was for the 1st quarter of the Air Force game where they trailed 14-0. That game ended just like all the rest--a clinic. Face it--the Utes are well-deserving of their ranking. Alex Smith is arguably the best quarterback in the nation. He has lost 1 game in 19 as a starter at the U and has thrown something like 2 or 3 interceptions total. He eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast. That's all. Thankyou.
dood, now that hes a legit Heisman canidate I dont think he eats shit for breakfast anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by grizzle6
Prolly Egg white omletts & fruit.....
and while all this talk is nice, unless BYU or Wyoming can stp them we will be in the Fiesta bowl, prolly against Buzz's biys from West Va., or the Cavaliers.
Dude, I guess the game looked a lot different on TV. Or if you call leading most of the game being man-handled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
I thought that Reggie Bush got contained untill late in the third quarter then the turnover late killed the Beavers and that was curtians...blown game.
Man it is fun watching Reggie Bush run.
:rolleyes: @ Pac-10 and Big-12 trumpeters.
Yes, USC, Cal, OU, and Texas are good, but the rest of the teams in their conferences ain't that great.
Auburn & Wisconsin play against so many solid teams in their respective conferences, it's not even funny.
I'm with Woodsy, if Auburn knocks off Georgia, they deserve to be #1, and Viva, I'd be worried about Notre Dame if I were you.
As far as I'm concerned, the BCS is serving one purpose and one purpose only: Preserving the status quo of major conferences placing their own teams in major bowl games so that they can keep getting the ducats they're used to getting. Heaven forbid a non-BCS conference puts a fuckin' team on the map. :fuckyou:
BCS is un-American
They fired Willingham?!Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
I agree with this and what Cololi has said. If they win the two remaining games, I think they'll be there. There is still a lot of football to be played, so even if they don't end up in the top 6, they'll still be in the fiesta bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Not yet.
he beat Tennesee and Michigan so he probably stays for a while......I'm not really sure how I feel about that.
as many indicators have shown,Quote:
Originally Posted by UTdave
"American" has come to represent capitalist, not so much democratic Republic or egalitarian.
In that light the BCS is VERY American as is shown by the FedEx Orange Bowl, the Nokia Suga Bowl, th Tostitos Fiesta bowl, Toyota Gator Bowl, the Capital 1 bowl, the Chic-Fil_a Peach bowl, ad infinitum.
Hell even the Grandaddy, The Rose Bowl is now tagged as presented by citibank.
Dolla dolla bills y'all.
Jeremy Bloom is right, the schools make money off the backs of students.
Bloom is a fucking crybaby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...228EST0220.DTL
Two wins would ensure a second straight MWC title. The league champ gets a Liberty Bowl berth, which pays $1.35 million.[/quote]
Hey, Utah has somthing to look foward too after getting screwed by the BCS.
I doubted this team myself until I saw them play.
Alex Smith has to be the smartest if not the most talented quarterback in the nation. The very least this team deserves is a chance to prove themselves if they continue to win.
Hell at this point, West Virginia will make the BCS?
How a conference that shitty still gets an automatic bid is beyond me.
Utah is also ranked higher than any school in the ACC, but that conference still gets to send one of its fuckups to a megadollar bowl.
The BCS is basically rewarding schools that did not earn the right to be there.
But none of this matters if Utah doesn't win the mountain west.
Okay back to commutative rings, modules, and eigencrap
I got two words for the NCAA:
Play Off
This was posted a few weeks back on one of the SC boards by USC484:
The Myth of the SEC
Charting the SEC.....the best conference in football!
So it’s time to check in with our friends from the SEC again to see how they’re doing. I’ve maintained that the SEC has a formula for success…..schedule weak OOC teams, beat up on conference doormats, then go .500 against ranked teams in your own conference. At the end of the season, you’re ranked and in a bowl.
So, how is that holding up?
Florida will most likely drop out of the rankings, and all it took was 3 losses in 7 games to do that. They have wins against Eastern Michigan, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Middle Tennessee State. They’ve lost to LSU, Tennessee, and Mississippi State.
Before the MSU game they were ranked 19th with 2 losses to . How many Pac 10 teams could do that? If they did, how many would be ranked?
Their sister team, LSU, still manages to be ranked. Their wins? Oregon State, Arkansas State, Mississippi State, Florida, and Troy. Losses? Georgia and Auburn. Classic SEC formula here….beat weak OOC teams and SEC teams, then lose against ranked teams. Bingo! You’re a ranked SEC team!
Just to summarize both teams……wins against Eastern Michigan, Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, Troy, Oregon State, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Florida. All unranked teams.
Losses to Tennessee, Mississippi State, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn. They’re 0-3 against ranked teams with a couple of losses to unranked teams.
Ummmm….couldn’t UCLA do that? The Bruins are 0-3 against ranked teams and 4-0 against unranked teams. If they hadn’t scheduled Oklahoma State and instead played Eastern Michigan, I’m assuming that they would be 5-2 and ranked. Consider that the next time an SEC fan yells, “Hey, we have X teams ranked in the top 25!”
Moving along now…..Tennessee. Classic SEC formula here. Wins against UNLV, Florida, LA Tech, Mississippi, and Alabama. USC would be 5-0 with that. So would Cal. Probably even ASU. The ranked teams they’ve played? Auburn and Georgia. They went 1-1. Wins against weak teams, then .500 against ranked teams…..and bingo! You’re knocking at the door of the top 10.
Georgia? Wins against Georgia Southern, South Carolina, Marshall, LSU, Vandy, and Arkansas. Again, USC, CAL, and ASU are 6-0 with that. Even UCLA and Stanford would probably get through with only one loss.
Record against ranked teams? 1-1. Hey! We’re in the top 10!
Let's see how the rest of the SEC is doing in their bowl quests.
How about South Carolina? They’re one win away from becoming bowl game eligible at 5-2. Wins against Vandy, South Florida, Troy, Alabama, and Kentucky. Losses to Georgia and Mississippi.
Hmmm…so how can we get Oregon State and WSU above .500? Even Washington would be 3-4 with that schedule.
Alabama? They’re 5-3! One more win baby! Wins against Western Carolina, Utah State, Kentucky, Southern Miss, and Mississippi. Losses to Arkansas, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Give their schedule to Stanford and their loss to Notre Dame turns into a win against Western Carolina. Up until last week Stanford would have been 5-1 with their only loss coming to USC. Top 15 material anyone???? Only if they’re S-E-C!
Do the same for UCLA….replace Oklahoma Sate with Utah State. UCLA would be 5-2 with their only losses coming to a ranked ASU and Cal. Hmmm….which SEC team would they be? How about LSU???? Bingo! UCLA is ranked now!
ASU is 6-1 with its only loss coming to USC. They’re 1-1 against ranked teams. If they were in the SEC and had a name like Tennessee or Georgia, they’d be in the Top 10. ASU got destroyed by USC like Tennessee got destroyed by Auburn. Right now Tennessee is fighting for a BCS bowl while ASU is fighting to stay ranked.
Oregon State is 0-4 against ranked teams and 3-0 against unranked teams. Replace LSU and Boise St. and insert Louisiana Monroe and Western Kentucky and I have a strange feeling they’d be 5-2 with their only losses coming to an ranked Cal and ASU. Hmmm…can we think of any SEC teams that are ranked with 2 losses coming to ranked teams from their own conference?
So how good is the SEC really??? It’s impossible to tell. By refusing to play anyone out of conference, and then going .500 against ranked teams in their own conference, no one really knows where they stand.
They also get an incredible benefit by their preseason rankings.
By having LSU and Florida ranked in the top 25 preseason poll, the teams that beat them gained poll position for those wins. They can’t give those poll positions back again. Just look at Florida….an unranked team today. Tennessee went from #13 to #8 after beating them. LSU went from #24 to #17 after its win over Florida.
Guys….Florida is 4-3 with wins against Eastern Michigan, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Middle Tennessee State. You'll have to excuse me if I think a jump in the ranking for LSU beating Florida might be suspect.
Auburn went from #15 to #10 after beating LSU…..
Seeing a pattern here? Teams in the SEC went from #13 to #8, #24 to #17, and #15 to #10….all by beating LSU and Florida who are a combined 9-5.
Georgia actually picked up one first place vote in the AP poll after beating LSU at home by 1 point….amazing, huh?
So, how do they do it? Just think of the above when an SEC fan talks about the number of ranked teams they have. And don’t forget the formula…..3-0 out of conference, 3-0 against the doormats, then .500 or worse against ranked teams.
Your bowl is waiting for you.
you may have had our balls in a salad shooter the last few years, but as you know this is a huge game for both of our schools every year. right now ND is the epitome of "any given team can beat any other given team on any given day", they've been on both sides of that this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
you can't be serious that USC fans have become so arrogant as to write of ND as a guaranteed win...
If they're anything like the Ann Arbor princesses, that'll work in your favor. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by scoober
No. All I'm saying is that I don't think or feel that T. Willingham is a very good coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoober
Edit: A definite improvement over Davie, to be sure, but not all that good.
Clarett opens his mowf.
Ruh-roh! Think of the implications. :nonono2:
I think he was a lot more effective at Stanford for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
Notre Dame is going to steal Urban Meyer from you Utes anyways (I hope).....the party will be over for you guys after this year.
trying to disprove your theory with no luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
I think all agree that pre season polls cause havok and trouble the rest of the year & should be eliminated.
Ron McBride must be ecstatic someone else is winning with his recruits.
Oh and SteepConcrete...quit whining about OU playing bad ball this year. I had to be on the other side of the WSU-OU game....yikes!!!
As much as I hate to say it, OU has been competitive and looked much better as the season wears on. Hopefully we can get back to a Pac-10 dominated by NW schools. That is, by some miracle, USC gets the death penalty for violations and Tedford leaves Cal,... our only hopes.
I enjoy hating Dawgs and Ducks much more than 'SC (no offense Viva) and feel really wierd pitying the Montlake Mutts.