Hi, I've been looking around for a mid-fat ski for my up-coming trip to Japan, and I've noticed that one can get the Atomic Stomp for as low as $350, whereas most other mid-fats start at around $450-500. why is that?
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Hi, I've been looking around for a mid-fat ski for my up-coming trip to Japan, and I've noticed that one can get the Atomic Stomp for as low as $350, whereas most other mid-fats start at around $450-500. why is that?
because you touch yourself at night
AND because nobody wants them (but that's only because you touch yourself at night.)Quote:
Originally Posted by davey
those are some HEAVY skis those stomps... way heavier than a ski that size for jibbing should be.
I concur. plus the fact that those beastly atomic binders must be put on them. It will be intresting to ski them this year now that the binders and plates are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
They're one of the few skis that I've demoed that I really just wanted OFF of my feet immediately. Heavy as hell and just... I don't know where to start but I didn't like anything about them.
I once mounted a Salomon 9.14 on a Atomic BetaRace 9.16 with plates stated to be "Atomic bindings only" with a good result. The Atomic binding I had on those at first really sucked. It was a rental version that was even heavier than the normal ones and the skis was extremely heavy for a short 170cm slalom ski. I just drilled holes in the plate, but you have to be really careful with the position to make sure that there are enough material for all the screws. The Salomon binding really did miracles with that ski and it was much quicker in the turns thanks to the lighter weight. Quickness is one thing I look for in a ski like that. I skied it for maybe 30-40 days without problems until I remounted the rental binding and sold it.
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Originally Posted by Spew
all you have to do is ask mtnlion. hes magic.
$350 w/o bindings for those POS? That ain't cheap...plus you still got to give Atomic another $100 for their bindings. I got new V-Ex's last season for cheaper than that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuge
That issue has been pretty discussed pretty thoroughly regarding Big Daddies and Sugar Daddies over the last year. Do a little creative searching keeping that in mind and you'll find out that there's a pretty straghtforward way around the plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spew
Didja ever check out the Mad Trix system when it first came out? With that plate that could switch directions? GOOD LORD those were heavy. :eek: We had a demo set in the shop I used to work in. Instant pins and needles after a chairlift ride. I couldn't believe anyone would enjoy purchasing those. I guess that's why you don't see those any more I guess. I guess so, I guess. (that's also why we never sold 'em after a demo - people liked the ski, hated the plate.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Anybody tried newer Stomps, without the plate & without the Atomic binders? Just asking 'cause they are still cheap.
because you touch yourself at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by This End Up
How did you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by phUnk
Wait, hold on a second here, everyone seems to be missing something. You said you're looking for some midfats for your trip to JAPAN? Do they even know what powder snow IS there? I might just be dumb and ignorant, but i always thought japan was the land of indoor ski hills. Maybe you should be looking into somehting more groomer specific. Or maybe you should just not go to japan if you want to ski. Just a thought.
I guess Mr. 4 posts missed the Japan powder TR with all those face shot pics. :nonono2:
I gues Mr. 1686 posts has nothing to contribute to this thread other than to belittle Mr. 4 posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
well, i'm mister shitload of posts. and i come with intangible proof that japan definitely sucks. i mean, who wants to ski in conditions like this? not me, i prefer colorado.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashnburn'd
http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic33317.jpg
http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic33428.jpg
http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic33430.jpg
As far as I know Hokkaido has great skiing, powder included, so I think this guy is justified in his search for mid-fats.
Japan gets so much snow. Alta gets 500 inches a year right but its balanced. 100 in December, Jan, Feb, March and another 50 inches in april and november. Japan is different bettween demember and march bettween 400 and 500 inches fall and then the snow just abouts stops. So for 3.5 monthes its a powder blessing. I skied 50+days this year and 75% of them were only powder days never crossing one track and only a little bit of hiking.
http://www.biglines.com/photos_displ...tegory=0&all=1
that gives you a link to some pics of what japan has to offer.
I have skied the stomp for the last two years with big heavy metal race binders. I definitely prefer a heavier ski to rip thru the underbrush I run into here in the east coast woods. Yeah they weight a ton but they are a bit soft at this point I can flex the shit outa them which is now too much flex. But a softer ski for me here on the east coast where there are no big open spaces in the BC everything is super tight works best.
Hmmm... Because Atomic makes shit strips?
This is true. Hokkaido is also known for its countless soap factories.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolaideprived
Mister Sparkle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashnburn'd
Sometimes it's about intimidation.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
It's mind games.
You have very lucky dishes, Mr. Rickles.Quote:
Originally Posted by biggins
I will now banish you to the land of wind and ghosts.
Hey Japan bound guy, the newer atomic stomps (04-05, 05-06) are killer skis and are not heavy at all without the fucking plates. There waist is 88, tip is 118, tail 110 so that should give you a little to play with. The graffics are not the best but there alright (Bright red in 2005, gold in 2006)
I did buy these cause I was on a budget but there are no regrets at all.
Good ski.
AgreeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Station
I have owned stomps for quite some time now....They lasted pretty decently for 3 seasons, being my primary ski. Right now they have duct take on the tips holding them together, and every chance i get i ride them down rocks. They are hella soft, and have a flex like none other. The flex is bad on the hard pack, bad in the crud, pretty much bad everywhere. And when you think its good for the powder, think again, they are so heavy you sink. Trust me. I hate my stomps, I hate them sooooo much. I am just dieing for my Gotamas to come in. They really are crap...please, for the love of god, dont buy them.
Hey buddy, do you think maybe they may have changed designs in the last 3-5 years. I owned a pair of Salomon F9's back in the 90's and they sucked bad but i'm not bad mouthing the new one's. Sounds like you bought the test pilot stomps before they were refined. Try a new pair and then we can talk. For the price, there is nothing that comes close to these skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by bryanthebold
Possibly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fucked
But then I wonder why I have known two other friends who's top sheets have been fucked over. For the money you get a ski that will ski great for a couple of runs, but then you realize the skis are just worthless because they are softer than you can imagine, the top sheet is coming off, and you still have a shitty ski that doesnt perform nearly as well as the competion. Buy a pair, I dare you!
Hmmm.....Look on Egay for what a pair of 04-05 Public enemies costs. Bomber ski that actually can make a turn. Quick google found PE's for 279 @ rei, a reputable retailer. Fujatives for 299 @ getboards, current model year. Good wood core skis that are known to perform well. I'm not knocking atomics, just saying that I would spend my money on what is proven to work, not skis that have been plauged by production prolems since they came out.
Just to go aginst the stream a bit even though I guess I'm probably considered rather partial on this one; but I believe the 06 Stomps actually ski pretty well for such a small ski. Last year I picked up a pair to use test for touring and steep/stupid stuff and did a little cruising around on them too. While there's a limit to how much you can get from a 88mm waisted 186 twintip (it's frikkin small) I think it skis as well as most other skis of the same size, except maybe the beige/red (haven't tried the newer ones) Scratch BC and the Volkls, which are both more stable on hardpack. In soft no worries I think.
I kinda sorta believe that Atomic looses out on the twintip market due to lack of aggressiveness in marketing, not a lot of spancered rad kids mouthing off and being very visible etc. Heck, it's not a long time ago noone believed them to able to make a decent pow ski either, and now maggots are crawling all over BD group buys. Go figure ;)
And yeah, red stomps with plates are heavy. So remove the plates. Newer plateless Stomps are pretty light I think, and edge quality seems to be close to that of the bd (i.e. good).
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