because I know nothing about twintips

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10-20-2003, 03:34 PM
random

because I know nothing about twintips

So, after (little) debate, I'm spending what little cash I managed to make this summer and not spend on school on new skis. And a friend of mine is pressuring me into getting twintips, although I really haven't been much of a park/jibbing person, but I suppose I'm up for anything. I still want a ski that I can have fun on when I'm not in the park, because, uh, I don't plan on spending all my time in the park. Anyway, the ski he keeps pressing on me are 4FRNT. Anyone care to give an unbiased opinion?
10-20-2003, 03:46 PM
Tical

4FRNT's are rad..

"4Frnt Skis, Rider-owned manufacturer of freeride skis dedicated to the grass-roots progression of freeskiing. Built around a circle of friends out of Lake Tahoe, California, we are creating an approachable brand that caters to the growth of skiing and its surroundings. "

www.4frnt.com/
10-20-2003, 03:47 PM
Tical

But if you dont ride switch or dont plan on taking off/landing/skiing switch, then there is no need for twins..
10-20-2003, 03:48 PM
Woodsy

tech talk FUKKO!
10-20-2003, 03:49 PM
Samwich

I have actually skied a pair of 4FRNTs, so I am pretty qualified to give my opinion here. I don't know much about you as a skier... but I don't know if i would recommend getting a pair of 4FRNTs as your first twin. They really aren't very forgiving at all. Also, this is their first year of ever being in production, and they may have some kinks to work out. Basically, these skis are incredibly stiff for a park ski, with decent all-mountain capabilities. They are a stable landing platform for sure, but they are tanks. They aren't easy to turn.

I would recommend checking out some Atomic big mountain twins if I were you. Also, look at the Head Mojo Madtrix. In fact, look at the Madtrix first, because they are not only the sweetest all-mountain twin on the market (in my opinion) but they don't have the Atomic binding system. Buy Look bindings for the skis. Preferably P14s. Then send the skis and bindings to me. ;)
10-20-2003, 03:52 PM
alto

wow those look exactly llike armadas. and their slogan is the same! rad!
10-20-2003, 03:55 PM
dipstik

dude either your friend is a moron, or isnt really your friend because he doesnt know anything about you. If you dont spend time in the park why would you buy a park ski? If your into off-roading, im not gonna reccomend you get a BMW with a ground clearance of 3 inches, or if your into road biking im not going to go tell you to buy a full suspension downhill bike, you know?

Sounds to me like your friend is just trying to get you to support a local company or whatever which is cool and all but if they arent the right skis for you than dont buy them. There are plenty of skis that allow you to have fun on on the trails or wherever it is you ski, and occasionally hit some kickers in the park. If it were me i'd go check out some websites of dif brands of skis and go check out your local stores. If your pressed for money check out the ski-swaps that your local mountain is probably having. You dont have to spend top dollar to get skis to just have fun on.

good luck man
10-20-2003, 04:00 PM
funkendrenchman

If you can't ski a park ski out of the park, then maybe you shouldn't be out of the park (in general). Pretty much any twip tip skis all over the mountain fine. Some are softer than others, so you have to decide if you want a stiff or soft ski. The advantages of park skis are that they are light, maneuverable, and relatively cheap. Major disadvantage is loss of stability and edge grip. I really don't see a problem with using a park ski as an all mountain ski.
10-20-2003, 04:04 PM
BradyCU

Quote:

Originally posted by Tical
But if you dont ride switch or dont plan on taking off/landing/skiing switch, then there is no need for twins..

Twin tips are very nice in tight situations when you have to backpedal out. You might look at the volkl v-=pro, it's a very good all mtn. ski that happens to be twin tip. My 195 Rockets are twins, does that make them park skis? Does the twin affect their performance out of the park at all? Nope. But is it nice to have every so often? yep
10-20-2003, 04:06 PM
funkendrenchman

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDude
Twin tips are very nice in tight situations when you have to backpedal out. You might look at the volkl v-=pro, it's a very good all mtn. ski that happens to be twin tip. My 195 Rockets are twins, does that make them park skis? Does the twin affect their performance out of the park at all? Nope. But is it nice to have every so often? yep

Agreed. Shorter twin tips also make great bump skis.
10-20-2003, 04:07 PM
random

My theory on the whole thing is 1. he now works for a ski shop that specializes in park skis and is being an annoying sales person, 2. I live in Edmonton, 4hrs away from the mountains, therefore anyone who skis here are all just into park 3. he has some weird theory that since I can ski decently and here there are really no females in parks if I were to transform into park I would get sponsered or something, which is not what I'm looking for, but at any rate I'm his new project.

I'm still thinking I'm going to pass on twins though. unless I can get a super cheap pair. My big goals for this season was to try some bigger stuff and maybe edge into backcountry, which sounds like more fun anyhow.
10-20-2003, 04:07 PM
Tical

Quote:

Originally posted by TheDude
Twin tips are very nice in tight situations when you have to backpedal out. You might look at the volkl v-=pro, it's a very good all mtn. ski that happens to be twin tip. My 195 Rockets are twins, does that make them park skis? Does the twin affect their performance out of the park at all? Nope. But is it nice to have every so often? yep

But carving twin vs non-twin.. non twin always wins...
10-20-2003, 04:18 PM
Hayduke

Quote:

Originally posted by random
.... and here there are really no females in parks...... but at any rate I'm his new project......

If he rates you that highly, tell him to sponsor you. If it's your money, try then buy.
What's a project, is that a compliment? guy sounds smooove......
10-20-2003, 06:08 PM
phUnk

Quote:

Originally posted by Tical
But carving twin vs non-twin.. non twin always wins...

I disagree. Lay a Mad_Trix over and tell me they don't sing.
10-20-2003, 06:19 PM
Tical

Quote:

Originally posted by phUnk
I disagree. Lay a Mad_Trix over and tell me they don't sing.

Not to go against the wise ol Phunk, but you dont think a pair of Head's racing sticks would carve a hell of a lot better, then some mad trix on some groomers??
10-20-2003, 11:38 PM
Samwich

Quote:

Originally posted by Tical
Not to go against the wise ol Phunk, but you dont think a pair of Head's racing sticks would carve a hell of a lot better, then some mad trix on some groomers??

Yes. Yes, they probably would. Then again, who gives a fuck about carving on groomers? ;)

and random: backcountry is a LOT more fun... but if you mean backcountry as in real backcountry, make sure you get some knowledge before you go out there. There aren't enough female skiers, so we can't afford to lose any. ;)
10-21-2003, 09:47 AM
phUnk

Quote:

Originally posted by Tical
Not to go against the wise ol Phunk, but you dont think a pair of Head's racing sticks would carve a hell of a lot better, then some mad trix on some groomers??

I agree with you on that one, but I was just pointing out that not all twintips ski like center-mounted Lines. Some of them can tear up the hardpack just as well as a company's non-twins. And those MadTrix will still seriously tear it up.
10-21-2003, 10:01 AM
shera

I have to admit that I'm disappointed the new explosive has a straight tail...

I just saw (and flexed) the 2004 Line Mothership. Pretty looking ski as far as overall proportions go. And not a noodle, imo. I'll certainly demo it if I get a chance.
10-21-2003, 10:03 AM
Woodsy

I heard from a pro @ alta that you have to custom bend the Mad Trix to make them truly perform
10-21-2003, 10:17 AM
Tical

Word to all the comments in here about twin tips getting really sweet and the fuck the groomers campaign.. ;)

Personally, I love skiing the whole mountain on twins, and wouldnt have it any other way..
10-21-2003, 01:07 PM
summit

Quote:

Originally posted by Tical
But carving twin vs non-twin.. non twin always wins...

OK... twin vs non-twin in the BC pow or crust?
10-21-2003, 01:38 PM
phUnk

Quote:

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
OK... twin vs non-twin in the BC pow or crust?

Something about you rubs me the wrong way.
10-21-2003, 02:03 PM
Tical

^^^^ LoL! :D
10-21-2003, 02:10 PM
tuffy109

Quote:

Originally posted by Samwich
I have actually skied a pair of 4FRNTs, so I am pretty qualified to give my opinion here.

is that your alias Maxwell Goswey over on pmag?
10-21-2003, 02:38 PM
BakerBoy

Quote:

Originally posted by tuffy109
is that your alias Maxwell Goswey over on pmag?

^^^ Bwhahahahaha! Poor kid...
10-21-2003, 03:23 PM
summit

Quote:

Originally posted by phUnk
Something about you rubs me the wrong way.

I am SO NOT gonna rub you at all... in any way! :p
I don't do that!
10-21-2003, 04:23 PM
DINMS

V-pro! And why the hell not a twin? Or at least on a mid fat. I rather have the surface area on a powder ski.
10-21-2003, 06:38 PM
random

Thanks for all the advice… I think the new master plan is to pass on getting decent park skis, and get a nice pair of fun ones. And then maybe get a pair of last seasons whatever for the park or something. Ah, we’ll see. It’s all in theory.
On a random tangent: My botany prof. is a minion of Satan. I was in class for the first time in two weeks today and asked him if I missed anything major that wasn’t in his internet notes, and he said no. I later find he said all this random stuff about the midterm and the question for it is posted and we have to research it or something.

On the good side, apparently the 5$ I splurged into the outdoor club membership is paying off: I get free Alpine Club of Canada membership and some deal on Avi courses!

….Back to random research for new skis…

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