A-Basin: Potential Land Trade

Anyone hear anything on this? The basin could get a face lift if this goes through.


Summit County, CO (Ski Press) — Arapahoe Basin could soon be in the position to own private land at the base of its ski runs—a first for the Colorado ski area.

The Denver Post has reported A-Basin is purchasing privately-owned mining claims within the ski area’s boundaries and is in preliminary talks with the U.S. Forest Service to discuss a potential land trade.

The trade could conceivably give A-Basin land for future development.

While Arapahoe and other Summit County ski areas—including Keystone, Breckenridge and Copper—all operate on public land and operate under permits from the Forest Service, all except A-Basin own property they have been able to develop for lodging and skier services.

I would not be against this if they patterned it after the Monarch Lodge.

The amount of developable space at the base is negligable.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
The amount of developable space at the base is negligable.

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Hey, maybe that's why they're trying to get more land!

Trading totally worthless mining claims for the valuable land upon which parking lots and base lodge sit is totally right up the USFS's alley. Its not like there's public land involved.

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Originally posted by CaddyDaddy77
The trade could conceivably give A-Basin land for future development.

While Arapahoe and other Summit County ski areas—including Keystone, Breckenridge and Copper—all operate on public land and operate under permits from the Forest Service, all except A-Basin own property they have been able to develop for lodging and skier services.

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LAME... no condos, please.

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Originally posted by iceman
Hey, maybe that's why they're trying to get more land!

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Apparently you haven't been to A-Basin. There is almost no developable land in the whole North Snake valley.

SnowCountry: That would suck but wouldn't suprise me.

But what is A-Basin gonna do? Develop 15 whole entire condo units? Put in four small stores?

SC, as I read the article, A-Basin is trying to trade land it controls which is undevelopable, for land which the Forest Service controls, which is potentially developable if and when A-Basin gets control of it. Or is this point not clear?

I've only been to A-Basin once, but it seemed like it was pretty well surrounded by land.

I also have limited experience at the basin and haven't been in years, but it would seem there's available property, close by.

The are currently working on their master plan on line, so I can't find any additional info .

http://arapahoebasin.com/images/abasin_trailbig.jpg

Yah, dynamite and bulldozers.

As you can see from teh map, lots and lots and lots o dynomite and then even more bulldozers if you want to build more than one condo building and still have parking for the mountain. Then you need EIPs even if you own the land. A-Basin is still stuck trying to annex the Beavers and Montezuma Bowl.

It sucks to see both A-basin and Wolfie start to change, IMO, for the worse. I hope neither project actually gains much headway, I like both the way they are now.

A-basin's right on the pass. I guess you could put in lots and lots of teepees and have plenty of wood to burn.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
As you can see from teh map, lots and lots and lots o dynomite and then even more bulldozers if you want to build more than one condo building and still have parking for the mountain. Then you need EIPs even if you own the land. A-Basin is still stuck trying to annex the Beavers and Montezuma Bowl.

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Have you ever been wrong in your life?

Just wondering.

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Originally posted by iceman
Have you ever been wrong in your life?

Just wondering.

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I'm wrong quite often, are you?

... weak and immature debate strategy for someone in their 50s.
Right on par with: "I read it online! Clearly, I understand the matter to a T and you don't! I couldn't possibly have misinterpreted!"

Say... don't you live on the East Coast or something?

Do you always act like a know-it-all when arguing with someone who lives 5 miles away from area in question? :rolleyes:

Consult a topo map of the area and try again.

This isn't a super rare topic of discussion and rumor in Summit County

I'm not in my fifties quite yet, but you are arrogant and ignorant and as predictable as dawn.

You have a problem and every single person here knows it, go get help.

Oh, and as to the "substance" of your argument, I gather A-Basin is attempting to do this land swap just for fun?

Wait, that wouldn't make sense.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
I'm wrong quite often, are you?

... weak and immature debate strategy for someone in their 50s.
Right on par with: "I read it online! Clearly, I understand the matter to a T and you don't! I couldn't possibly have misinterpreted!"

Say... don't you live on the East Coast or something?

Do you always act like a know-it-all when arguing with someone who lives 5 miles away from area in question? :rolleyes:

Consult a topo map of the area and try again.

This isn't a super rare topic of discussion and rumor in Summit County

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hey, dude, maybe we should, like, trade user names or something.

Ice, I'm afraid the pot is calling the kettle black here when it comes to arrogance and know-it-allism.

You are still sticking to your "superior knowledgbase" gleaned from afar on the net.

Except that the newspaper NEVER said A-Basin was going to develop condos or a base village or the like... they merely speculated that they could end up in a position to do so.

Consider misinterpretation. Consider that A-Basin may not actually be trading for areas in or directly adjacent to the base area... perhaps they want another area... perhaps it's part of their bid to get the USFS add Montezuma Bowl or the Beavers to their permit. I suppose you wouldn't know about that would you since you aren't exactly informed on local issues like this. You are right that they must be up to something. What is A-Basin doing exactly? Not 100% sure, but topography and troublesome regulations (EIPs... they worked loooooooong and hard to get that new snowmaking system and rights to use water for it) show that they can't build very much at the base no matter what land they acquire and that much of what they could build wouldn't make sense as they would be unable to build the additional support facilities.

We got into a discussion about a base village last year with a couple of real estate types and we concluded that such a venture made little sense given the massive support systems involved and the necessity or an above ground parking garage that would be needed if the main lot were converted. The EIPs would be a nightmare considering this is all just yards from the North Fork of the Snake River. Then you could go into the economical viability of the whole thing... but tha was all just speculation on our part I guess.

Go look at a topo map.

So essentiallly you don't know what they're doing and neither do I.

Nice.

Thanks for the rants, though.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
You are still sticking to your "superior knowledgbase" gleaned from afar on the net.

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You're killing me. I have no "superior knowledgbase" (wtf?) I just read the article at the top.

Did you?

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Then you need EIPs even if you own the land. A-Basin is still stuck trying to annex the Beavers and Montezuma Bowl.

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The fuck is an EIPs, you dunderhead?
If you mean an EIS, then STFU. Its a FEDERAL process that does not apply to private land.

Ice - There's plenty of land around the A-B base for new development. Just the existing footprint of the base area is about the 1/2 the size of the original, "old" Vail center. Apparently dipshit hasn't heard of parking lots beneath buildings, but then he is from SUMMIT COUNTY.:rolleyes:

Anyway, the real limiting factor may be whether there's sufficent market for residential product above 10,000'. Sewer and water systems are expensive, so maybe it pencils, maybe not. My guess is that the exsiting operators want get any part of the current base that is federally owned into private hands and do some modest development.

On the other hand, a tram to the top of Dave's would not suck. If takes a few condos to pull it off, then fine.

Watch out, Snow Country, you rang the bell and Pavlov's dog is drooling.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

Do you always act like a know-it-all when arguing with someone who lives 5 miles away from area in question?

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http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic23233.jpg


More than words, the pic says it all.

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Originally posted by Snow Country
The fuck is an EIPs, you dunderhead?
If you mean an EIS, then STFU. Its a FEDERAL process that does not apply to private land.

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Aww.... look! The brilliant Snow Country is still sore that I called his hypocrisy on another thread.

You are absolutely right on my acronym SNAFU. EIS, however, IIRC, proximity to federal land and the need to run utilities across it would still require EIS or if you have to move your equiptment across federal land especially if you are digging and blasting right next to a river where debris might go. Maybe my memory is just fuzzy.

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Anyway, the real limiting factor may be whether there's sufficent market for residential product above 10,000'. Sewer and water systems are expensive, so maybe it pencils, maybe not.

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Good points. Given their customer base, I'd wager that it wouldn't pencil.

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On the other hand, a tram to the top of Dave's would not suck. If takes a few condos to pull it off, then fine. [/B]

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Yea cuz Dave's Wave is such a prime BC run. :rolleyes: It'll be even better when it's lift access instead of BC.
Gaper: "Yippee! Another ski lift!"

edit: oh and a goofy ski picture of me that I myself posted is supposed to embarass me? Look at my avatar, smart guy. I don't see any pictures of you. Afraid of something.

Hmmm. I called that one.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
Aww.... look! The brilliant Snow Country is still sore that I called his hypocrisy on another thread.

Yea cuz Dave's Wave is such a prime BC run. It'll be even better when it's lift access instead of BC. :rolleyes:
Gaper: "Yippee! Another ski lift!"

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1. Regarding the aforementioned thread: you didn't even understand the conversation. So why would I be upset at your stupidity?

2. What the flying fuck do you know about the "BC?"

3. So you don't like trams. Fine. Be stupid.




Got any more cool photos?
We're making postcards of the image of you I keep posting. Its classic. We did the copyright two days ago.

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Originally posted by Snow Country
2. What the flying fuck do you know about the "BC?"

Got any more cool photos?
We're making postcards of the image of you I keep posting. Its classic. We did the copyright two days ago.

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If I thought you were smart make to print a post card (or that my images were good enough) I might be remotely bothered by your ignorance.

Well if you think Dave's Wave is super cool... I dunno what to say. Go hit that extremo line. Take some pictures for me!:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
I might be remotely bothered by your ignorance of the fact that any image is the copyright of the photopher that hit the shutter the moment they did.

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We're doing it.
If you don't like it, go fuck yourself.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
If I thought you were smart make to print a post card (or that my images were good enough) I might be remotely bothered by your ignorance of the fact that any image is the copyright of the photopher that hit the shutter the moment they did.

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Hence all the "Copyright: Me" bullshit? Wait, I'm confused. Are you a copyright lawyer or not? I can never keep that straight.

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Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

Well if you think Dave's Wave is super cool... I dunno what to say.

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You simply do not understand the placement of trams.

Speaking of extemo lines, what have you hit?
We'll need photos of course.


You also do not understand copyright law. We do. So again, go fuck yourself.

Iceman is the most arrogant person on TGR. Glad you reminded us all of that.

BUMP

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Originally posted by 13
Iceman is the most arrogant person on TGR. Glad you reminded us all of that.

BUMP

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He forgot the winkie thing.

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Originally posted by iceman
He forgot the winkie thing.

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I gotcher winkie riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight heah!

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Originally posted by snowfire
LAME... no condos, please.

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But wouldn't a few avalanches take of that problem. Kind of like people who build beach houses on barrier islands in areas prone to hurricanes.

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Originally posted by sea2ski
But wouldn't a few avalanches take of that problem. Kind of like people who build beach houses on barrier islands in areas prone to hurricanes.

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Not if they're built well. I think the Peruvian has been hit a few times and it's still standing.