Cambered ski from Hoji
https://4frnt.com/products/nevar
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Cambered ski from Hoji
https://4frnt.com/products/nevar
should've made it 108.. perfect width between the raven and Hoji.
cool ski. im sure some of you will be on it this season look forward to what you have to say
Im pretty sure 4FRNT will sell their entire production run of the Never pretty quickly.
Great idea, but hardly original. Matt at WNDR has been making Hoji-like designs with camber for years, and they rock.
I don’t know Matt, but I guarantee he doesn’t ski like Hoji. Nobody does.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Figured something cambered was in the works last year when they showed Hoji skiing the MSP 107
I I hadn't sworn of skiing and gear hoarding this season, I'd probably be in for a pair... 22m radius and 1820g in a 184cm sounds perfect for a lot of NW skiing in mixed conditions. I think they'd be about 10x more fun than the raven for ripping anything firmer than corn. That said, there will be a trade-off in 3d snow and some of that hoji tip-your-ankles-and-turn, insta pivot magic will be gone.
I'm certainly interested to try Hoji's take on a cambered ski though, hoping it somehow still feels like a hoji ski.
I’ve never skied with Matt but the MSP is/was Matt’s pro model.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenB
Is it really necessary to say that Matt started 4frnt and his WNDR designs are just new building techniques based on 4frnt designs, mainly influenced by Hojis designs? IMO Hoji and Matt have been the best ski designers this century. 4frnt never made a bad ski and has made some of the best skis ever made. The Nevar seems like a wider praxis yeti, which is the best spring touring ski I’ve ever skied. The Nevar seems like it will be a great 1 quiver touring skiQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Cool to see Hoji try something else. It really does look and weigh around what a cambered "intention 104" would. His ski design philosophy and execution is awesome. I've owned two hoji skis over the years and loved both. If I was still in a quiver of 1 mindset this ski would easily end up on my short list. With a second look it kind of reminds me of my dead Steeple 102s... which were my favorite touring ski of all time.
You know Matt was the owner at 4FRNT who made the Renegade with Hoji, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Edit: Looks like someone else got there first
That was sort of . . . my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
Got it. Glad we are all on the same page. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Kinda fun that Matt still has his name on a 4FRNT pro model ("MSP") while he works at WNDR.Quote:
Originally Posted by skisurfmirth
And Julien Regnier still has his name on an Armada ski ("JJ") while he works at Black Crows.
Any others that I'm forgetting?
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FWIW Matt’s not at WNDR anymore - not sure who is anymore for that matter.
Just to put a 4th bullet into this dead horse... as many know, before the Ren, Matt launched the 4FRNT EHP (Eric Hjorleifson Professional), Hoji's first foray into ski design.
Also, the Nevar looks very comparable to Down CD104L - another fave ski here.
I wish 4FRNT would do a lightweight and heavyweight version of this ski - like 1600 gr and 2100 gr in the 184.
Cool ski - not sure if I agree it's a pintail as such, but looks pretty loose. How does 4frnts measure these days? 184 = 182 straight pull?
hm, could you elaborate on this a bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
WNDR kinda let go of everyone Matt, Pep a bunch of people. They now have like 3 people left Xan, Jeremy, and some other person. (According to a touring partner of mine that used to be a sponsored "Friend of WNDR")Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
I'm sure this ski is cool, but it feels pretty generic. CD104L, Locator 104 - looks like your average touring ski. Probably a good DD in CO or UT.
Yeah 104 underfoot fairly average rocker lines -8.5 mount point. Seems like a basic mid 100s touring ski. I'm sure it skis well but it certainly isn't something on my radarQuote:
Originally Posted by Backward_Banana
I mean, isn't it pretty much just a Raven for people who want a Raven with some camber? That's not exactly what it is since the profile is changed, but that seems to be what they are targeting.
They only made 120 pairs so I don't think they expect it to be a massive seller.
^^^ pretty different shape vs Raven… ~10mm wider tip and tails, more side cut, much more trad shape in addition to the modest camber
Wrong thread I guess but this is good info. Ya have to wndr what wndr's game plan is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
It looks like a solid ski. Nothing particularly special or standoutish, but solid none the less.
Kinda feels like they could have just done a tour version of the MSP 107. I'm not excited about the Nevar. I'm buying Raven's this year to go with my Ren's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus