Gravel/Bikepack nerds enter...

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Originally Posted by natebob

Has anyone tried the Baryak Ultra brackets and Talon harness? https://www.baryak.com/ Looks like the bag never touches the head tube, kinda sits suspended below the brackets. If that is stable front to back, it could be a winner.

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I would reach out to Path less Pedaled and see if they will review it for you. Or order it, have them review it, and then have it sent to you. It looks cool, but definitely more at home on an expedition bike like a Tumbleweed than on a gravel bike. I worry that all the apparatus would add too much weight for the value of suspending a bag. This would definitely make sense for big, 30L bags up front when you are riding for months at a time.

Dang, I wish I knew about them when I was in Melbourne this year! I would have gone to check them out.

I use a Baryak with a Revelate harness and random dry bag. It does push it off the bars and cables nicely. You have to get used to a slight chopper/flip-flop steering feeling once you suspend the weight out front. But, it is not terrible.

I'll try to find a photo to help with this explanation of mounting. The part of the harness that normally mounts to the bars, I attach to the front most part of the Baryak. Then, the part of the harness that is usually attached to the head tube gets threaded over the stem (or through the "bars" of the Baryak. It works well and is very stable.

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However, the Baryak is not as useful as an aerobar as I'd like. It is too short and cramped (but I think they make a longer version now).

I want to experiment with standard aero extensions and a harness mounted 90 degrees to normal. It might place it too far out front, but the frontal area should be less, which I'm finding is a bigger deal than expected for Tour Divide type of riding.

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Originally Posted by Iowagriz

I use a Baryak with a Revelate harness and random dry bag. It does push it off the bars and cables nicely. You have to get used to a slight chopper/flip-flop steering feeling once you suspend the weight out front. But, it is not terrible.

I'll try to find a photo to help with this explanation of mounting. The part of the harness that normally mounts to the bars, I attach to the front most part of the Baryak. Then, the part of the harness that is usually attached to the head tube gets threaded over the stem (or through the "bars" of the Baryak. It works well and is very stable.

Best photo I could find...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b316c2a850.jpg

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Thanks for the info. and pic. Looks like the bag is nicely tucked in below the bar, and far away from head tube and cables. I'm not concerned with how it works with aero bars or as a gravel rig. How do you think it would work for rough singletrack?

I've used the same setup on my mtb with good luck. I seem to be able to snug the harness to the Baryak tighter than just to handlebars and head tube. I originally got it for bikepacking with my mtb as the brake cables didn't need moved as much with it.

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Originally Posted by Iowagriz

I've used the same setup on my mtb with good luck. I seem to be able to snug the harness to the Baryak tighter than just to handlebars and head tube. I originally got it for bikepacking with my mtb as the brake cables didn't need moved as much with it.

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That is good to hear, thanks. I think I'm going to give it a try. Seems like well thought out, well made product, and a good small company to support.

From this evening in Vermont
Love the new frame
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Been waiting months for this...and: wait just a bit longer, I guess:
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/gravel-...n-product-grid

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That's the spendy one. No idea why Canyon sticks with their ugly palette (esp. the sand) <shrug>, but I dig the Van Halen motif!

Thoughts on the new Grail?

42mm tire clearance? They def pigeonholed it for racers on nicer condition roads. I do like the integrated storage options though. No 12s Di2 build, which is prob just a parts availability issue.

But the integrated bars are a hard no from me. I can accept hidden cables in 2023, but a one piece stem/bar is just dumb. It costs like $400 and 3 hours to change reach, and you'd better like the drop shape they offer you.

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Originally Posted by climberevan

42mm tire clearance? They def pigeonholed it for racers on nicer condition roads.

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From another site:
"Jasper Ockeleon mentioned in an Instagram story today that he is running 45mm Schwalbe RS tires 'easily', so the 42mm seems very conservative for some reason."

I'd almost always have 40 or 42 anyways...and anything wider than a 45 and I'm hoppin on the MTB.

No comment on the bars...I suppose I'll learn to like them. :D

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Originally Posted by smartyiak

"he is running 45mm Schwalbe RS tires 'easily', so the 42mm seems very conservative for some reason."

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Until you encounter an event where you have to ride though sticky mud (a la Unbound 2023) and rub a hole through your frame because your using bigger tires than recommended.

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

Until you encounter an event where you have to ride though sticky mud (a la Unbound 2023) and rub a hole through your frame because your using bigger tires than recommended.

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Exactly. More margin for error is good. Plus, why not just make it fit 50s? Their own Grizl and a lot of others fit 50s just fine with normal 68mm BBs. Yes, they would need to drop a stay, but I never understood the big aversion to that.

More clearance more better.
From after work today in SoVT

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Originally Posted by climberevan

42mm tire clearance? They def pigeonholed it for racers on nicer condition roads. I do like the integrated storage options though. No 12s Di2 build, which is prob just a parts availability issue.

But the integrated bars are a hard no from me. I can accept hidden cables in 2023, but a one piece stem/bar is just dumb. It costs like $400 and 3 hours to change reach, and you'd better like the drop shape they offer you.

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Agree on integrated bar stem. Works great of you are a pro and someone else will swap it for you. And pay for it.

I have been so close to getting a canyon but I am on the cusp of medium and large.

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Well, at least they got rid of the hover bar! Definitely not a fan of integrated bars and narrow clearance, but canyon looks to have a pretty solid lineup, one frame for pure gravel racing/riding and for the rest of us, a solid adventure bike that does it all.
Nice to see the GRX 820 starting to be speced. Thinking the 12 speed, unstoppable would be a nice upgrade from my destroyed entry-level SRAM group. Curious if anyone has tried it out yet.

7:00 minutes of highlights from the first 45 minutes of the World Gravel Championship, from the POV of Payson McElveen.
Enjoy:

Wow. That is a great vid.

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

7:00 minutes of highlights from the first 45 minutes of the World Gravel Championship, from the POV of Payson McElveen.
Enjoy:

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Wicked nice back east. Did 77 miles on the Northern Rail Trail through the west central Shire today. Really enjoyed it
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Originally Posted by buttahflake

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What gearing? Looks like maybe running a 42T with Eagle (10-50?). What's your opinion on your setup? I'm collecting intel - not sure if Eagle or XPLR is the route for me. Ride a good bit of road, want 1x... so was leaning XPLR with 44t x 10-44... other options are 42t upfront with same 10-44 or going to Eagle 44t x 10x50.
Thoughts?

Good eye, that is a 42t with a 10-50 cassette and a GX rear mech. We have insanely steep dirt roads and unmaintained class 4-6 roads back here in northern New England. Set up is perfect for me.

Got a little in town magic hour ride after work.

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I even put the flats back on to ride in Tevas since it feels like summer again.

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

Good eye, that is a 42t with a 10-50 cassette and a GX rear mech. We have insanely steep dirt roads and unmaintained class 4-6 roads back here in northern New England. Set up is perfect for me.

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Awesome! Another data point... albeit, contrary to the way I was leaning. ha! Thanks for the intel and stoke!

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Originally Posted by Peruvian

Got a little in town magic hour ride after work.

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Looks glorious! Tevas were the proper choice! But now - I feel like I have to guess your drivetrain too... Raceface 40t x 10-42 rival 11sp?

Probably a swing and miss - but kind fun to try.

It’s a stock 2017 Kona Sutra LTD drivetrain - Sram Rival 1 with RF 36 tooth narrow/wide pulling a Sram 10-42 11 speed cassette.