Missing Titanic Submersible

If it wasn’t the fast implosion, just imagen the thoughts and group dynamics knowing the air supply was running out.
“If I kill three people, does that mean I can live longer and hopefully get rescued?”

There’s just so much intersection/overlap with this story.

Who had Blink-182 - submarine tragedy - murderous orcas on their 2023 bingo card?

I want the Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg cage fight to be held in a submarine, at the Titanic.

Rumble in the Bungle!

complete armchair haven't thought about subs since Sean Connery take: any implosion means it was over fast for them. Sounds like maybe they got to see the wreck too.

It was quick, that is to be sure.

Most would not be able to process it.

Many souls do not even know they are dead.

Well, this is awkward... Titan initiated its dive on Sunday, June 18th. ALSO on Sunday was this from my Far Side calendar:

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Well, this is awkward... Titan initiated its dive on Sunday, June 18th. ALSO on Sunday was this from my Far Side calendar:

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It's your fault!!!

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Originally Posted by riser4

It's your fault!!!

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Was it a Volvo submarine?

Had to be Land Rover

Ironic that if they had just made the entire thing out of Titanium, it probably would have been strong enough.

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There’s just so much intersection/overlap with this story.

Who had Blink-182 - submarine tragedy - murderous orcas on their 2023 bingo card?

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With a side of Cardi B

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Had to be Land Rover

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No, we would have seen the smoke that escaped from the Lucas electrical bits.

Has there been any discussion about when the implosion might have occurred i.e. when coms were lost at 1300 M, or sometime after, assuming the loss of coms also included loss of buoyancy control, etc.?

While the implosion surely killed them "quickly", we do not know if the problems that led to the implosion happened quickly. For ex, perhaps they lost control -- or partial control -- of the sub, and were drifting or moving erratically, and they all know that they were fucked. Or maybe something happened that made them believe hull breach was imminent, but they had a few moments to think about it.

Well, looks like they found it. Sad...

Debris from OceanGate sub found 1,600 feet from Titanic after "catastrophic implosion," U.S. Coast Guard says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missing...s-coast-guard/

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Originally Posted by Danno

While the implosion surely killed them "quickly", we do not know if the problems that led to the implosion happened quickly. For ex, perhaps they lost control -- or partial control -- of the sub, and were drifting or moving erratically, and they all know that they were fucked. Or maybe something happened that made them believe hull breach was imminent, but they had a few moments to think about it.

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Maybe they recover a hard drive from the sub + data from their final dive? If they had external cameras, then it would show their last moments being surrounded by Orcas.

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Originally Posted by Pope Shredaddictine

Maybe they recover a hard drive from the sub + data from their final dive? If they had external cameras, then it would show their last moments being surrounded by Orcas.

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Again, why don't they make all of this stuff out of the material they use for the airplane black boxes?

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Originally Posted by rideit

Ironic that if they had just made the entire thing out of Titanium, it probably would have been strong enough.

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The cyclindrical contructiion was probably a factor as well. Any other deep sea submersibles use that before? Normally the passenger cell would be a sphere.

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Originally Posted by EWG

Again, why don't they make all of this stuff out of the material they use for the airplane black boxes?

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$$$$$

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Originally Posted by Danno

While the implosion surely killed them "quickly", we do not know if the problems that led to the implosion happened quickly. For ex, perhaps they lost control -- or partial control -- of the sub, and were drifting or moving erratically, and they all know that they were fucked. Or maybe something happened that made them believe hull breach was imminent, but they had a few moments to think about it.

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Seems likely there were some shit-your-pants noises happening before the ocean intruded.

Peppa called it too

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Originally Posted by SB

It was quick, that is to be sure.

Most would not be able to process it.

Many souls do not even know they are dead.

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Like driving through Ohio.

I haven't been paying attention. Does the airplane take off or not?

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Originally Posted by Not DJSapp

I haven't been paying attention. Does the airplane take off or not?

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The fucking front fell off.

I just wanna know what all that banging was.

Maybe it was pieces of the dingy hitting the big ship.

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Has there been any discussion about when the implosion might have occurred i.e. when coms were lost at 1300 M, or sometime after, assuming the loss of coms also included loss of buoyancy control, etc.?

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-nav...s-ago-6844cb12

WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE

U.S.
U.S. Navy Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago
UNDERWATER MICROPHONES DESIGNED TO DETECT ENEMY SUBMARINES FIRST DETECTED TITAN TRAGEDY

WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.

The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.

Kinda curious what the dynamic was with the father-son duo.

Was Dad trying to re-connect with his teenage son by doing something dangerous and uber-adventurous together? Or was it son begging Dad for once-in-a-lifetime trip because he got infatuated w/Titanic after watching the movie or doing book report or something??

One thing is for certain though; guarantee you Mom was dead-set against the whole thing.

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Kinda curious what the dynamic was with the father-son duo.

Was Dad trying to re-connect with his teenage son by doing something dangerous and uber-adventurous together? Or was it son begging Dad for once-in-a-lifetime trip because he got infatuated w/Titanic after watching the movie or doing book report or something??

One thing is for certain though; guarantee you Mom was dead-set against the whole thing.

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https://apple.news/ADiqemTLVR0-HIup4kVEIGQ

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Originally Posted by stalefish3169

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-nav...s-ago-6844cb12

WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE

U.S.
U.S. Navy Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago
UNDERWATER MICROPHONES DESIGNED TO DETECT ENEMY SUBMARINES FIRST DETECTED TITAN TRAGEDY

WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.

The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.

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Not really top secret anymore, huh?

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Originally Posted by mud

Like driving through Ohio.

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LOL. Gold

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

Not really top secret anymore, huh?

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How not?

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Originally Posted by riser4

No, we would have seen the smoke that escaped from the Lucas electrical bits.

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And thus the reason English drink warm beer...

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

How not?

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If the existence of the system was a secret, admiring it exists sort of blows that part of it up

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Originally Posted by stalefish3169

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-nav...s-ago-6844cb12

WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE

U.S.
U.S. Navy Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago
UNDERWATER MICROPHONES DESIGNED TO DETECT ENEMY SUBMARINES FIRST DETECTED TITAN TRAGEDY

WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.

The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.

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If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

If the existence of the system was a secret, admiring it exists sort of blows that part of it up

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Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

Or you’re just smarter than everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

Or you’re just smarter than everybody else.

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Sure. Maybe. Just seems weird to admit they have and were using it when they’d already confirmed it went down another way.

What’s the point?

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Originally Posted by dcpnz

If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

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People would still demand proof. People would cry cover up / distraction.

Just call it training experience to put a positive spin on it?

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Originally Posted by Supermoon

Sure. Maybe. Just seems weird to admit they have and were using it when they’d already confirmed it went down another way.

What’s the point?

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Intimidation/discouragement. The message is “we have secret shit of unknown capabilities so plz fck off ty.” Same reason I let my kids know that I have ways of knowing what they’re up to without letting them know that I have a good friend who’s good friends with a couple of their friends’ moms.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

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If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

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It's well known that we have microphones listening to the ocean looking for subs. Hell, the last time I was out on a boat tour in Kauai, the tour guide pointed out the listening base and spouted on about it for five minutes. What we just did was spend millions of dollars doing some real world quality control testing on the accuracy of the system and called it search and rescue. Given that they found the debris within 48 hours, I'd call it a pretty damn big success. Send the bill to the Navy and call it a day.

Ballard and Cameron's interviews on ABC are worth watching.


"“People in the community were very concerned about this sub,” Cameron said. “A number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company, saying that what they were doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that it needed to be certified. I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result. For us, it’s a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded.” -Cameron

Both hammered home that this is really the first time this has happened in deep diving. Cameron seems to imply he has inside knowledge that they were attempting an ascent after running into hull integrity issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg