Wildfire 2021

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Originally Posted by BCMtnHound

2 highways - #1 and #12. Exits to the south (Boston Bar), east (Spences Bridge to either Kamloops or Merritt) and north (Lillooet) out of town. Not fast highways, but gorgeous drives at any other time. Crazy times as the rivers flowing through the canyon (Fraser and Thompson) are absolutely swollen right now due to the extreme heat. Some places are getting baked and roasted, while others are flooded.
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those are 2 lane roads really, even hy 1 is just barely a highway in that area

I have been blown up river, sandstorms in mid river every time i paddled the thompson its size grandeur and extremes impressed me but apparently the fire jumped the river

edit: everything is pretty chill around here but i looked up to see an electra with the purple belly on final approach going in for another load,

I imagine a crew of Air tractors will show up pretty quick, they like to drink craft brew at the Bulkley after a long day of bombing fires

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Uh oh.
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The Lava fire near Mt. Shasta blew up this afternoon. This is the view from Yreka.

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Looks like it burned a trestle and closed the train line through there. Traffic gets routed over Donner pass instead for at least the next 3 months.
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Originally Posted by abraham

Looks like it burned a trestle and closed the train line through there. Traffic gets routed over Donner pass instead for at least the next 3 months.
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So close. A little more steel and less wood and they'd still have a functional trestle.

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Originally Posted by abraham

Looks like it burned a trestle and closed the train line through there. Traffic gets routed over Donner pass instead for at least the next 3 months.
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Looks like the trestle in Stand By Me. Right location.

I guess not, it’s on the other side of the mountain


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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Photo from Lytton BC. Wow. Estimated 90% of structures lost.

Story on the fire: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...2021-1.6087311

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Holy shit!!

How did it not make it up the hillsides?

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

^ I’m not saying fires don’t get up and go when they’re thought to be caught - happens all the time - but in your story there were people there and they got on it and shit got done. That one coulda been pretty bad if the crew had gone home.

Nice work on your part.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Does the truckee ban include the use of propane stove fires at private campgrounds? How do the public campgrounds respond? What about outdoor cooking at restaurants, such as smokers?

The fire ban in Sierra County includes propane camping stoves at private campgrounds and non-propane smokers, even in restaurants.

A similar ban may come up for Nevada County. I’m pushing my supervisor to make an exception for legal private campgrounds and the guests’ use of propane camping stoves.

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Talk about get up and do shit... when a fire breaks out in Sierraville or Sierra County, it's like all hands on deck. Nobody waits on CalFire - and they have a station in town. Town and ranch folk have knocked a few before they could get out of hand or help arrived.

Time for a little humor. I laughed anyway.
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An inmate working on a wildfire east of Sacramento in Shingle Springs, California stole a fire engine and went on a joyride.

The 31-year old inmate did major damage to the CAL FIRE engine as he drove cross country at 12:40 a.m. Monday, did donuts, then crashed through a fence and entered the storage area for a company that manufactures truck racks.

When he got the fire engine stuck in a ditch he attempted to steal another vehicle.

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Probably loses his spot on fire crews.

^^^Somebody has trouble making good decisions...

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Originally Posted by TBS

^^^Somebody has trouble making good decisions...

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Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Most fun he's had since he was locked up, easily, and now he doesn't have to do hard labor in sweltering heat for the entire summer.

All the inmate crews I worked with would rather be cutting line in the shittiest conditions than being in gen pop.

But some do make mistakes.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Most fun he's had since he was locked up, easily, and now he doesn't have to do hard labor in sweltering heat for the entire summer.

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Those guys don’t have to do it. They want to. At least all the ones I ever saw, which was a fairly considerable number. The conservation camps were considered a good deal.

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

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Wow. I couldn't imagine going from fire to OTR driving......I'm hoping for some joy soon. How was the next job?

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Those guys don’t have to do it. They want to. At least all the ones I ever saw, which was a fairly considerable number. The conservation camps were considered a good deal.

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Right, but I'm just making a joke. And there has to be one guy that has huge regrets signing up to do it and goes AWOL in a fun way.

There are some larger fires kicking off in the Blue Mountains.


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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

I remember one summer my crew was on the longest, shittiest live-in thinning project on this hot shitty Boy Scout ranch near Espanola NM. We’d been out there a few weeks, working 14s, eating shit food, sleeping on a fucking linoleum floor with fucking Espanola mice running over us, and somebody had come back from town with saw parts or something and he’d brought a newspaper. On the front page of this newspaper was a photo of prisoners doing the exact same work we were doing. It was rough…realizing I had the exact same life as a prisoner.
I told my boss “I could strangle you, go to jail, and my life wouldn’t even be any different….”
It was the beginning of me realizing things needed to change, beginning of the end of my time on that crew.


Had a similar moment many years later when I was trucking. I’d been in that truck 24 hours a day for way too long, and I was driving past this prison in Missouri. I could see down into the prison, and they were playing baseball. It has been months since I’d done anything but drive…no fun, just endless driving in a truck and shitty truck stop truck-sleep.. I actually teared up and almost cried. like, here are rapists and murderers and they get to play baseball, while I’m trapped alone in this fiberglass cage 23 hours a day. Again, beginning of the end of that job.

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seems there's a short story or a long-form essay in all of this.

Standing wheat fire in Milton-Freewater OR

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Check out the swather trying to cut a fire line to stop the advancing flames.

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Wonder if it worked? Would think it’d have to be at least two rows wide to stand a chance


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Even the stubble will burn without water on it.

ya farmer needs to swap that out for a tiller/cultivator

To answer Splat, there was probably a water truck following him plus they were using helicopters to drop water.

ESQ - It was standing wheat. Easier to swath and I'm willing to bet the swather was there and ready to go. Not really tilling season right now.

Hope that wasn't intentionally set. The stretch of time between final ripening and actual harvest for grain farmers has to be horribly stressful.

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Originally Posted by MT

IHC Supt. is TFLD and FIRB. There are over 110 crews nationally. Given the large volume of crews compared to what it was 20+ years ago, the assumption that a Supt. has to be qualified as a DIVS and ICT3 isn't realistic.

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Good point.

Maybe it’s more common that they are qualified at the lower level now. It’s been awhile since I was in, but they typically were pretty highly qualified IME and usually qualified beyond the minimums.

Still not an inconsequential amount of time to obtain those qualifications.

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Originally Posted by MT

IHC Supt. is TFLD and FIRB. There are over 110 crews nationally. Given the large volume of crews compared to what it was 20+ years ago, the assumption that a Supt. has to be qualified as a DIVS and ICT3 isn't realistic.

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I love it when you talk dirty acronyms only the "elite" understand.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

I love it when you talk dirty acronyms only the "elite" understand.

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TFLD - task force leader, able/qual’d to lead/supervise a mixed group of resources - crews, dozers, engines, etc.
FIRB - firing boss, able/qual’d to oversee a largish backfiring or Rx (prescribed] operation.
DIVS - division supervisor, able/qual’d to oversee/supervise a section of fireline with 2 to 7 crews, engines, heavy equipment, etc,
ICT3 - incident commander type 3, able/qual’d to run a fire that isn’t a full blown organization, or handle a transition from initial attack or winding down.

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

I did this from memory, so corrections welcome. For one thing I would have thought hotshot superintendents were still ICT3/DIVS. I guess things have changed since I retired. The new(er) quals represent a lesser level of required training and experience.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

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Alternatively define your acronym before using it so that others understand you. This is common practice in all writing.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

TFLD - task force leader, able/qual’d to lead/supervise a mixed group of resources - crews, dozers, engines, etc.
FIRB - firing boss, able/qual’d to oversee a largish backfiring or Rx (prescribed] operation.
DIVS - division supervisor, able/qual’d to oversee/supervise a section of fireline with 2 to 7 crews, engines, heavy equipment, etc,
ICT3 - incident commander type 3, able/qual’d to run a fire that isn’t a full blown organization, or handle a transition from initial attack or winding down.

Search the web on ‘ICS acronyms’…if you give a shit.

I did this from memory, so corrections welcome. For one thing I would have thought hotshot superintendents were still ICT3/DIVS. I guess things have changed since I retired. The new(er) quals represent a lesser level of required training and experience.

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IFPM says TFLD/FIRB for IHC superintendent. I just don’t ever recall meeting one who wasn’t DIVS quald at least. Hell, lots of times it was a superintendent running the DIV while the captains ran the crew.

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Originally Posted by old_newguy

… I just don’t ever recall meeting one who wasn’t DIVS quald at least. Hell, lots of times it was a superintendent running the DIV while the captains ran the crew.

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That’s how I remember it.

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Take it from me, it ain’t easy being a burley man.

That's a light sentence for arson

Lewiston, ID and Clarkston, WA with fire above on the Washington side.


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Shit.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Shit.

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Hell's Canyon for sure, eh?

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Originally Posted by KQ

Hell's Canyon for sure, eh?

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Is that the Asotin fire? Or did one move into Hells? I was down there in mid June and it was the hottest and driest I’ve seen it ever. I grew up about 1.5 hrs from there and have been floating it for 20 years since I moved so yeah, scary dry.

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Originally Posted by Summit

That's a light sentence for arson

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Typical federal judge wrt F&G or public land violations. I had a couple cases were the ticketed party admitted to what they had done to the judge and they walked or got a slap on the wrist.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Is that the Asotin fire? Or did one move into Hells? I was down there in mid June and it was the hottest and driest I’ve seen it ever. I grew up about 1.5 hrs from there and have been floating it for 20 years since I moved so yeah, scary dry.

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I belive it's the Silcott Fire west of Clarkson but I'm not sure.


Asotin County Fire Update: Silcott Fire Now 80% Contained With No Further Growth Expected; Dry Gulch Fire Continues to Burn Westward