coffee for mags - a coffee roasting trip report (& free mag coffee)

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Originally Posted by jm2e

Thanks to the espresso thread, this thread, a coworker and tgapp, my coffee world has been flipped completely on its ass.
I spent about 25 years drinking sweetened coffee flavored milk. This evolved toward lattes and cappuccinos. Spent the last 6 months figuring out how to actually make an espresso shot until I kinda got it figured out (from a beginner level).
Just before tgapp's special blend arrived I tried some pourover a coworker had brought in. Kind blew my mind that I was drinking coffee with nothing added to it, and liked it.
Since then I've been obsessing over my Aeropress recipe, but still alternating with cappuccinos. Weird thing is, I started skipping cappuccino doses and the ones I made were less satisfying.
The only comparison I can think of, is when some of you maggots went from banging your sisters to finally dating that redhead from the neighboring town that had intimidated you for so many years! :fmicon::fmicon:

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good for you man! if i was a missionary my gospel would be that of cheap, excellent coffee. it's like bourbon was 10 years ago; cheap, easily appreciable, and not hard to do exceptionally well. a cheapass handgrinder + a plastic brewer + good beans, and you're already capable of making better coffee than 75% of good coffee shops.

ain't nothing wrong with fucking your sister though. or drinking bitchy milk drinks.

tgapp = neither rain nor snow nor christmas nor borders stopped the shipment of beans to the middle of nowhere - I imagine the resulting espresso will be a modern version of striking gold or of finding old movies buried in the ground.

gonna go down the rabbit hole on Finca La Kilimanjaro from Aida Battle and also the Ethiopian Sidamo Ardi - feels like I have to read this whole thread over again - which I will enjoy doing.

Much appreciated! Stay tuned...

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Originally Posted by bennymac

tgapp = neither rain nor snow nor christmas nor borders stopped the shipment of beans to the middle of nowhere - I imagine the resulting espresso will be a modern version of striking gold or of finding old movies buried in the ground.

gonna go down the rabbit hole on Finca La Kilimanjaro from Aida Battle and also the Ethiopian Sidamo Ardi - feels like I have to read this whole thread over again - which I will enjoy doing.

Much appreciated! Stay tuned...

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wahoo! they made it!

honestly those might be decent. both high elevation, well grown coffees (high elevation = denser beans = take longer to age, BTW)

probably passed their prime, if you try to pull a shot with them and it doesn't work, you'll know that's the case.

Anyone with a cold brew recipe that's working for eventual hot drink?
Tired 48g of medium/coarse grind coffee with 192g water (1:4 ratio), left in fridge for about 20hrs. Pushed through Aeropress and got 92g out. Closer to an espresso ratio, I guess? Added boiling water at two concentrations (30g cold brew to 210g water vs 30g cold brew to 150g water). Both were underwhelming, but not bad. Willing to keep trying.
This same bean, at the same ratio of grinds to diluted drink (1:15) tastes way better with either Espreso or Aeropress brew methods.

https://store.caffeladro.com/el-salv...-8oz-p620.aspx

Bought some of this to try out. My pourover recipe is pretty dialed so should be able to make a great cup with this stuff straight away. Coffee is the one thing thing i know where i can be bourgeois on a budget. $20 for probably 10 big cups of coffee. Worth it in covid times to keep it interesting.

And freerange eggs. So basically my breakfast is bourgeois as fuck.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

https://store.caffeladro.com/el-salv...-8oz-p620.aspx

Bought some of this to try out. My pourover recipe is pretty dialed so should be able to make a great cup with this stuff straight away. Coffee is the one thing thing i know where i can be bourgeois on a budget. $20 for probably 10 big cups of coffee. Worth it in covid times to keep it interesting.

And freerange eggs. So basically my breakfast is bourgeois as fuck.

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^^ DAMN that is about the cheapest gesha i have ever seen. i usually pay between $18 and $45 a pound for gesha green, so 3-5 times that cost for roasted gesha is totally within reason.

let me know how it is? super curious!

I think I saw here that the thing to do is buy 5 pounds of fresh roasted coffee, freeze, and take out one pound at a time? Do you separate the coffee into one pound bags initially? Does the coffee in the freezer need to be vacuum sealed or is a ziplock with air pressed out good enough? Should the coffee be fully thawed before grind time? Sorry lots of questions. I used stale coffee this morning and there was almost zero crema. The change from "fresh" to stale was fairly fast and drastic.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

I think I saw here that the thing to do is buy 5 pounds of fresh roasted coffee, freeze, and take out one pound at a time? Do you separate the coffee into one pound bags initially? Does the coffee in the freezer need to be vacuum sealed or is a ziplock with air pressed out good enough? Should the coffee be fully thawed before grind time? Sorry lots of questions. I used stale coffee this morning and there was almost zero crema. The change from "fresh" to stale was fairly fast and drastic.

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Yep, buy a 5lb bag
Freeze ASAP. Ideally, you'll buy a bag roasted to order. JBC Coffee does this and they will also give you a wholesale account if you ask. That's who I would recommend.
Vac seal into individual "weeks" of coffee (8-16 oz depending on how fast you move through it)
Ziplock is good enough, suck out excess air with a straw
Let it thaw completely (on counter the night before) before opening
Store in an airtight jobber


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Originally Posted by tgapp

Yep, buy a 5lb bag
Freeze ASAP. Ideally, you'll buy a bag roasted to order. JBC Coffee does this and they will also give you a wholesale account if you ask. That's who I would recommend.
Vac seal into individual "weeks" of coffee (8-16 oz depending on how fast you move through it)
Ziplock is good enough, suck out excess air with a straw
Let it thaw completely (on counter the night before) before opening
Store in an airtight jobber


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Perfect, thanks for the details.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Perfect, thanks for the details.

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I have a lazier approach that has worked for me. I buy fresh and about ~5 days from roast I drop the whole 5lb in the freezer. Each morning I drop my daily ration of beans into the grinder and without haste drop the bad back into the freezer. Bag is at room temp for <1 minute and I grind seconds after loading. I will almost always have a few gs of beans that sit in the grinder overnight that just get ground into the next mornings first shot but don’t sweat that.

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Originally Posted by Doremite

I have a lazier approach that has worked for me. I buy fresh and about ~5 days from roast I drop the whole 5lb in the freezer. Each morning I drop my daily ration of beans into the grinder and without haste drop the bad back into the freezer. Bag is at room temp for <1 minute and I grind seconds after loading. I will almost always have a few gs of beans that sit in the grinder overnight that just get ground into the next mornings first shot but don’t sweat that.

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yeah this is fine, just buy good coffee and use it while it's fresh, that's 98% of the struggle

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Agreed on freshness. I grind at the dose needed for a shot if that wasn’t clear in the explanation of my approach. So ~70g of beans could be allocated from freezer into the grinder hopper on a given day but only grind ~18gs at a time.

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Originally Posted by tgapp

mmm yeah you need a bean temp probe.

6.5 min to 1cs is just fine but 5 minutes after that is probably not okay. it should be like 1 to 2 minutes after 1cs when you end the roast.

reason i say you need a bean temp probe is one of the fundamental rules of coffee is that the beans always need to be getting hotter and hotter. if at any point they start getting colder (ie, they peak at 450 and then slide down to 440 while still in the oven) that's bad news bears, and you'll get gross coffee out of it.

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Hmmm, interesting. Just did my first roasts that weren’t Yirg, two natural Ethiopians, and they roasted way faster. The Yirg took forever, I couldn’t hear the cracks at all so I just judged it visually and when I pulled them sooner than 11 minutes they still had the grassy taste. These new batches I pulled about 2 minutes after first crack and I think I over did them a hair due to my prior experience with the Yirg. Will post some pics tomorrow. I’ve been following the general Gene newbie advice of full bore until 1cs then back it down. I think I’ll try backing it down pre 1cs.

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Hmmm, interesting. Just did my first roasts that weren’t Yirg, two natural Ethiopians, and they roasted way faster. The Yirg took forever, I couldn’t hear the cracks at all so I just judged it visually and when I pulled them sooner than 11 minutes they still had the grassy taste. These new batches I pulled about 2 minutes after first crack and I think I over did them a hair due to my prior experience with the Yirg. Will post some pics tomorrow. I’ve been following the general Gene newbie advice of full bore until 1cs then back it down. I think I’ll try backing it down pre 1cs.

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naturals roast faster, but they also look darker too, so if you're going off of color, chances are they're not overdone

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Originally Posted by tgapp

^^ DAMN that is about the cheapest gesha i have ever seen. i usually pay between $18 and $45 a pound for gesha green, so 3-5 times that cost for roasted gesha is totally within reason.

let me know how it is? super curious!

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Well fuck me. Ground the coffee, dumped it in the V60, started pouring water and, in my morning haze, thought "damn this is draining quick, wtf?"

Turns out my wife, who drinks coffee once every couple months decided to make a cup of french press yesterday and left the grinder on that setting. this cup of coffee sucks. Still not as bad as the kuerig cups at work, but damn i was really hoping for a treat this morning.


There's always tomorrow.

I would have been late for work.
With a good cup.


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or dump your contents in the press and wait a few more minutes?

Kenya AB
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Ethiopian Dambi Uddo
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Ethiopian Abiyot Bobea
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Results are improving. All naturals. Will try tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Kenya AB
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Ethiopian Dambi Uddo
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Ethiopian Abiyot Bobea
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Results are improving. All naturals. Will try tomorrow.

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Looks good man!!

Where are you sourcing from?

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These are all sweet Maria’s.

The Dambi was a bit too dark. The AB was solid!


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Currently playing with a V60 01 side by side with my Aeropress. Doing a 1:15 ratio with each. Which means adding 70-100g water afterward. Hence the V60 experiment.
If I wanted to do 40g (or more) of bean in a V60, should I do an 02 or 03?


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Originally Posted by jm2e

Currently playing with a V60 01 side by side with my Aeropress. Doing a 1:15 ratio with each. Which means adding 70-100g water afterward. Hence the V60 experiment.
If I wanted to do 40g (or more) of bean in a V60, should I do an 02 or 03?


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yep, my daily is an 03 v60, 46 grams of coffee in, 740 out

i find 1:16 to be more forgiving but obviously YMMV

If I’m making 40g of coffee (600g water) I use a kalita wave. For a single cup I still use a v60 (350/21).

Bump just to say that tgapp's beans set the bar pretty high for me. I ran out of his "bullshit espresso blend" (his naming) awhile back and everything I've tried since has been a little lacking in comparison.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Bump just to say that tgapp's beans set the bar pretty high for me. I ran out of his "bullshit espresso blend" (his naming) awhile back and everything I've tried since has been a little lacking in comparison.

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ha, thanks man!! i'll send my wife up with more this week or next

one more argument for buying beans from a nationally recognized roaster. my coffee is good, but it's nothing compared to jbc/birdrock/paradise, whomever. those guys set the real high bar.

another happy member of TGapp's Beans Fanclub

dude sent me fkn five bags of choice beans as a get-well gift, unreal cool & kind. thank you

X3
It’s like we’ve gathered to praise our crack dealer/cult leader.


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I’m a devoted follower.

When does HaleBopp come back?

Hey OP,
Can you send my 93 y/o Mom some ground coffee ? She drinks some really shit “donut shop blend” my SIL gets for her on Amazon. I have tried talking her into getting a grinder and some good beans she might enjoy it. She thinks having a grinder is somehow unnecessary. If you can send her some pre ground that would brighten up her day. Thanks !


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Originally Posted by jm2e

X3
It’s like we’ve gathered to praise our crack dealer/cult leader.


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praise be

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Originally Posted by Harry

Hey OP,
Can you send my 93 y/o Mom some ground coffee ? She drinks some really shit “donut shop blend” my SIL gets for her on Amazon. I have tried talking her into getting a grinder and some good beans she might enjoy it. She thinks having a grinder is somehow unnecessary. If you can send her some pre ground that would brighten up her day. Thanks !


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lol sure, DM me her address and I'll mail her some dope preground coffee

I'd judge the shit out of anyone else drinking preground coffee but since she's 93 she gets a pass

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Nekkid pics of granny?

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Originally Posted by tgapp

I'd judge the shit out of anyone else drinking preground coffee but since she's 93 she gets a pass

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Seriously though, if you ground it straight into a vacuum sealed bag, would it come out okay? Single dose.
Not saying this is an ideal scenario from a freshness or environmental standpoint. But for granny? Or for camping//road trip ......


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Originally Posted by jm2e

Seriously though, if you ground it straight into a vacuum sealed bag, would it come out okay? Single dose.


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yeah i used to do this all the time for multi-day mountaineering/ski trips, it works fine. then i found dank instant coffee (including the stuff that bennymac sent me from 49th parallel) and now i just use that instead.

tgapp, I have a JBC question: How much do you save if you sign up for a wholesale account? At their standard pricing a 5 lb bag would run about $120ish, decent savings at wholesale? Will they let you sign up for wholesale and order 5 pounds every once in a while? They ask for average weekly order size on the wholesale form.

Also, they have so many options, what do you recommend?

Just took a look at Bird Rock and Paradise based on your reccos. So many good coffees to try....

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

tgapp, I have a JBC question: How much do you save if you sign up for a wholesale account? At their standard pricing a 5 lb bag would run about $120ish, decent savings at wholesale? Will they let you sign up for wholesale and order 5 pounds every once in a while? They ask for average weekly order size on the wholesale form.

Also, they have so many options, what do you recommend?

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they may have changed how it works. when i did it i just called them up and asked for a wholesale account. tell them that you are ordering for SAR and i 100% promise they will give it to you. they're good folks.

as for specific recommendations - i love everything jbc does. if you like my coffee you can't go wrong with them. they're like the more gooderer version of me. their single origin ethiopian espresso changes all the time but it's pretty bonkers good.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

tgapp, I have a JBC question: How much do you save if you sign up for a wholesale account? At their standard pricing a 5 lb bag would run about $120ish, decent savings at wholesale? Will they let you sign up for wholesale and order 5 pounds every once in a while? They ask for average weekly order size on the wholesale form.

Also, they have so many options, what do you recommend?

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I signed up in the fall. 5 lb bags are generally $50-$70 plus shipping. They haven’t cared that I’ve ordered a total of 4, 5 lb bags. The benti nenqa is amazing at $71. I’m very happy / enamored with my own roasting but tempted to buy 5 lbs of it.

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Originally Posted by tgapp

lol sure, DM me her address and I'll mail her some dope preground coffee

I'd judge the shit out of anyone else drinking preground coffee but since she's 93 she gets a pass

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PM sent.


Thanks ! Hopefully this will brighten her day. The shitty “donut shop” stuff my SIL gets for her is rank. Mom somehow thinks it’s special. This will blow her mind.


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